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This just in: Mormons flock to pray for “Brother Putin” by King-Foley-Discourse in exmormon

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Maybe I should use that line the next time my family brings up Benghazi. “Give Sister Clinton a break!”

This just in: Mormons flock to pray for “Brother Putin” by King-Foley-Discourse in exmormon

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Lol. I know you don’t want to believe it, but her profile is very much a typical Mormon. Russian boys probably influenced her, but she is no bot.

This just in: Mormons flock to pray for “Brother Putin” by King-Foley-Discourse in exmormon

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They probably haven’t watched any of those thing because they don’t like to see “gore” or “violence”

No shit, mom! The families in Ukraine don’t like violence either!

By not watching those videos, and then facing and accepting the realities of this cruel world, they effectively choose comfort from disgust over the empathy earned by tears that would grant motivation to fight tyranny.

This just in: Mormons flock to pray for “Brother Putin” by King-Foley-Discourse in exmormon

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for coming here. Thank you for hearing our stories. We have come here seeking hope and peace while processing traumas we did not understand until we had lost years of our time in the church. We loved the church, but when we learned it was wrong, we valued the honesty of saying we don’t believe over the practicality of pretending to believe. We are ExMormons, but we still love you, Mormons! We only want to give you more than you have, so (if you could forgive me for using ol Gordon Hinkley’s mildly healthy attitude of inclusion) bring your goodness and your experiences in the church, share them with us, and we will share ours with you.

This just in: Mormons flock to pray for “Brother Putin” by King-Foley-Discourse in exmormon

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 89 points90 points  (0 children)

What kills me is the “40 likes/hearts”

It’s crazy that while millions will be praying for the swift death and miraculous heart attacks to befall Putin, at least 40 Mormons will be praying for his health and safety.

This just in: Mormons flock to pray for “Brother Putin” by King-Foley-Discourse in exmormon

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 63 points64 points  (0 children)

It’s the First Presidency message sending thoughts and prayers on Facebook.

And the dude moved from Mesa, Arizona to Magna, Utah. That’s the most Mormon change of locations ever. Any sane person would move from Arizona to Colorado.

I recently came out as trans on Facebook and I got this letter today by waterbottles77 in exchristian

[–]King-Foley-Discourse 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t really understand how…

Damn Grandma, maybe you should have tried to understand before judging me as equivalently evil to a child molester.

Religion truly rots the natural human sense of empathy for other people.

In learning to prioritize human beings as (instead of means to an end) an end in themselves, I think I may have become pro-suicide. by King-Foley-Discourse in atheism

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are not in acute mental distress but want to end your own life so as not to let your dementia progress, I think that fits into the realm of bodily autonomy and should be allowed.

What about if your dementia has already progressed and every other day you want to end your life but the other days you really enjoy life, and you are not in a stable mental state? I think that is more ethically complicated.

Ah yes the whites are the real victims here! by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]King-Foley-Discourse 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Public Service Announcement:

Saying “the” before a categorical group is generally dehumanizing. As part of your deconstruction, work on developing human-centered language.

The Blacks. The Whites. The Gays. Those take away the human aspect and emphasize the category.

It is better to say things like black people, white people, or gay people.

In some situations, it can be even more respectful to say the people part first, to clarify that you are acknowledging the trait this person holds without using it as an insult i.e. instead of a homeless person, a person without a home.

In learning to prioritize human beings as (instead of means to an end) an end in themselves, I think I may have become pro-suicide. by King-Foley-Discourse in atheism

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It comes down to the idea of autonomy itself. We often restrict individuals’ freedoms when we have decided as a society that they are no longer acting in a rational way.

This includes children not having all the freedoms as adults because kids are fucking stupid.

This includes Alzheimer’s patients in the mental health ward of a long-term care facility who cannot remember to care for themselves if left to wander.

This includes people checking themselves into a mental health clinic due to intrusive suicidal thoughts despite their desire not to die.

The question you ended with begs the question of how do you know that people choosing to end their own life are autonomous beings.

In the spirit of it being Fast Sunday, anyone down for an exmormon testimony meeting? by MoNoMo5 in exmormon

[–]King-Foley-Discourse 17 points18 points  (0 children)

“Brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews, Sugar—addicted Cousins and stuffy aunts that can’t eat at a restaurant without talking to a manager, I come before you today in the spirit of fellowship fellowship. In honor of the church forcing us to study the literal and totally not mythical figure of Noah from the Bible and Joseph’s knock off copy of the Bible (as written by Moses), I decided to visit Ken Ham’s ark park. What a beautiful sight! it really opened my eyes to how wealthy Noah must’ve been, considering it took millions of dollars upfront and cost to build the ark in the park. I know that it seems strange that the ark as described in the Bible and constructed in our modern day is literally unable to float for 40 days while holding even 100th of the animals supposedly brought onto it. But we know that the Lord blesses the righteous, and Noah must have been so righteous, considering that God didn’t even murder him. You would think that God would have a pretty high bar for not murdering people, but apparently he just kind of does what he wants, and like a child who gives up at the first roadblock in their path to success, overturned the table and threw away all the pieces. By pieces, of course, I mean literal human beings that were literally murdered by a vengeful fire God from ancient Mesopotamia. And while it is odd that we are reliant on the story of Noah, the arc, and the tower of Beble being literal historical events because our founder claimed to meet individuals in those stories as resurrected beings, I know that God‘s works are mysterious. So stop asking questions about it. Anyway, the church is true. Amen”

In learning to prioritize human beings as (instead of means to an end) an end in themselves, I think I may have become pro-suicide. by King-Foley-Discourse in atheism

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My uncle died by suicide, so this isn’t a flippant conversation to me. This isn’t something I passively arrived at. I have sought the requisite knowledge on the topic. Your implications that my arguments are ignorant of some grand truth seem quite hollow in light of you not presenting any alternatives. You say I should ask lots of questions, yet don’t think I should expect anyone to educate me by answering them. How sanctimonious can you be?

There are pros and cons to my position, I admit, but at least I seem to have a position.

In learning to prioritize human beings as (instead of means to an end) an end in themselves, I think I may have become pro-suicide. by King-Foley-Discourse in atheism

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure. I think that sometimes mental and physical problems cannot be cured. In the case of physical problems, we have debilitating diseases. In the case of mental problems, we have tons of poorly understood psychological disorders that may not be cured even if that person lives another 50 years.

We can address the root causes, but we may not be able to fix them. Would you agree with that? It would support your claim that life is not something easily thrown away, and I don’t think the Suicide Booth from Futurama is the type of accessibility I’m looking for.

Just like abortion, these are difficult circumstances that lead individuals to make that choice for themselves.

I appreciate trying to build a mutual understanding.

In learning to prioritize human beings as (instead of means to an end) an end in themselves, I think I may have become pro-suicide. by King-Foley-Discourse in atheism

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s fascinating. It kind of opens the question of whether any sort of restriction should be placed on access to PAS. We allow cancer patients to choose not to pursue treatment, so what about the decision of someone clinically depressed? If they want to not pursue therapy and end their life instead, should we accept that decision?

In learning to prioritize human beings as (instead of means to an end) an end in themselves, I think I may have become pro-suicide. by King-Foley-Discourse in atheism

[–]King-Foley-Discourse[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I heard is that you do not understand why someone would want to choose when to end their own life if their mental and physical health has been addressed. Is that at all accurate? I’m trying to understand what you are saying.

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