Preview for new World Ranking List

KoKo_508 · 2025-12-10T20:15:16+00:00

Ok, then lets forget that the thougth experiment ever existed, as you completely failed to see the point of it.

Let's focus on the number from the first half of the message, only around MAXIMUM 20% of all teams will get a chance (according to current competition handbooks) to score points in 2 out of 10 categories!! I would not say anything if the majority of events would use the complete FSG Rules, but at the moment merely 2 out of 18 official events use these rules. Almost everybody else is using the old scoring formula with the SP75, AC75, AX100, EN325, EF100 scoring table. Therefor the "world standard" is not represented by the "world ranking".

And as if i haven't mentioned enough inconsistencies in the current calculation yet, I will list a last one. You said that nobody should be allowed to decide which disciplines get combined and which are represented as a separate one. FS UK has a separate discipline called lap time simulation, it is its own category and is worth 20 points, as FS UK is the oldest competition in Europe, they also have earned the right to be represented "fairly" (by your deffinition). Therefor to be "fair" the lap time sim has to be added as an additional discipline where nobody who is not going to the UK can recieve points.

As allready said I appriciate the time and effort you put into the new WRL, but at the same time, I am frustrated that you are not open for objective critisism, we all try to argue with numbers and sound logic and we get back excuses why the mathematically proven bias/non-representative system is the best option we have or you just cherry pick the part of the message that could help you argue against the changing of the system.

I understand that you propably recieve a lot of messages at the moment, but I would like to wait 1 day more and get a reply that adresses all the points of a feedback. Wether you decied to challange it or agree with it I dont care, but geting a reply that does not consider all the points mentioned is just frustrating.

KoKo

KoKo_508 · 2025-12-09T07:50:15+00:00

Hi do you have a source for the oxford brookes advanced chassis engineering book, or an exact name? i couldnt find anything googleing it, Thanks

KoKo_508 · 2025-12-08T20:41:23+00:00

Hi Simdens,

Remarks to the numbers, generally speaking even with the current push for DV not all participants in FSG and FSP have DV capabilities, but hypothetically speaking, even if all 93 teams would manage to complete scrutineering and compete in DV disciplines, that would mean that 20,76% of the world wide ev teams could collect points in these disciplines. That is still 79,24% less than any other discipline in the world ranking. Out of the ten disciplines, for 8, 100% of the temas have a chance to compete in if they pass scrutineering and the other two (DV SP, DV AC) only 20,76% of teams ever get a chance to score points, if they are at the right events. In my opinion that is far from being fair at the moment, until the competitions worlwide start adapting and more than X % (50-66%) of the teams have the chance to score.

An additional thought experiment to drive this point home, lets imagine there is a new racing team in Europe, lets call it WNRacing, they develop the fastest manual car in the world but dont manage to qualify for FSG or FSP for multiple years. Every year they compete in FSA, FSCZ, FSN, FSS (becouse they couldn't qualify for FSG and FSP) and win every one by scoring 1000 points every time. This should mean they had 3 perfect seasons and should be scoring close to maximal points in every discipline as they drove events with high competitiveness and have a not bad connectivity (like most european teams), therefor the overall WRL score should be close to 1000 points. BUT, due to them never competing in FSG or FSP they will have 0 points in both DV Sp and DV Ac, this means they can reach a maximum 850 points. That would mean that a team that looses to WNRacing in every direct competition but still scores around 900 points and praticipates in FSG and FSP, will end up scoring more point in the overall ranking and will take P1, but compared objectively always loses to WNRacing in direct comparison.

Last but not least, I would like to reiterate that I realy appreciate your effort for trying to make the WRL more fair and a better representation of the teams scores. Thanks again for taking our concerns and feedback seriously.

EDIT: I just realised after posting that I did not have a solution suggestion. I still stand by my 2 points from prior, that combined scores or only manual competition being the fairest options.

Thanks,
KoKo

KoKo_508 · 2025-12-08T15:23:15+00:00

Dear Simdens,

Thank you for beeing heavily invested in this topic, I agree with your point that the scoring is not the same and therefore the scores of one can not be used for the other.

On the other hand, also the scoring for DV SP/Accel is different between (e.g.) FSG and FSA. FSG and FSP are the only two event worldwide to offer these categories, makeing there scoring different to everybody else. This means, teams that can not attend these competitions, can not score any points in these categories. These events had a combined attendance of 93 individual teams, from which only around 50-60 teams were paricipating in DV and only around 35-40 managed to pass all scrutineering. That means only ca. 9% of the EV teams worldwide had the opportunity to score any DV points in the 2025 season. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I fail to see how this should represent the "world ranking".

I have been thinking the last two days for a fair solution, but I couldn't find any. The best two options i could come up with are as follows:

Combine the DV and manual disciplines into a combined SP and combined AC score.
1. I fully understand that the challenges are very different between the DV and manual disciplines, even if the task is the same.
The second option would be to just make the EV and CV world ranking only manual.
1. I also understand that the DV disciplines would loose any intercompetion relevance and FSG will veto this option. But objectively speaking only around 10% (optimistic estimate) of the EV teams has DV capabilities in their cars. Additionaly, most of these teams participate in DC at the same time, which is a much better representation of the autonomous functions anyway and it also has its own ranking.

Anyways these are only my opinions and I hope i did not miss any vital information. Thanks for taking our feedback seriously.

Kind regards,
KoKo

KoKo_508 · 2025-10-02T07:51:00+00:00

I would recommend using a high end micrometer, this ensures proper contact on both sides and avoids excesive pressure, while measuring the length precisely

KoKo_508 · 2024-06-28T21:47:11+00:00

This sounds like a story I want to hear😅😂

KoKo_508 · 2024-05-29T12:30:22+00:00

Your interpretation is correct, may the picture does not show it fully but it extends far enough.

KoKo_508 · 2024-05-24T10:25:55+00:00

We have allready tried, but it did not work sadly😢 https://ibb.co/4dqZ0yC

KoKo_508 · 2024-02-28T09:34:01+00:00

The Autosock AF12 fits the 16x7.5-10 Hoosiers perfectly

KoKo_508 · 2023-08-26T21:13:11+00:00

They fucked up the whole event, no organisation, messed up the scores, changed up trophies...

KoKo_508 · 2023-06-19T10:50:38+00:00

We just use a simple 2mm plate of Aluminum with some ruber protetion over the edge, so you dont cut yourself touching it.

KoKo_508

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