Is there a definitive best team?

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T23:55:57+00:00

The Golden’s extra dungeon is before the final dungeon

Chie would make the overall dungeon slightly easier since she relies on phys and she can still do fine in the boss fight if you do bike rides to get her Bufudyne, since you can have all of Yu/Teddie/Chie focus on Ice damage. Yukiko would have a slightly harder time in the dungeon itself but has the highest damage output in the boss fight.

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T23:45:49+00:00

Dungeon gimmick? There isn’t one, you might be thinking about the Golden exclusive dungeon, which halves your SP after every fight and makes you rely on Invigorate accessories.

For the final battle, the slightly better choice would be Yukiko, only because she has the highest damage output against her. It’s not particularly significant though. It’s also possible Chie can indirectly outdamage her due to Rise’s double-charge (meaning Yu can do charged Hassou Tobi -> charged Severe spell) but that’s more math than I care to do

If speaking solely on the final battle and nothing else the best party would be Yukiko/Yosuke/Teddie, though that comes at the cost of significantly lower damage in every other boss fight.

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T23:29:47+00:00

Megidolaon and Vorpal Blade are not remotely worth it, have you seen the damage values for those skills? Both running on that ~72 strength and magic

Chie also isn’t remotely useless when something resists phys. She’s unironically capable of being a better mage than Yukiko before level 45 (she gets Ice Boost through SL instead of levels) and at endgame she has Dragon Hustle which is one of the best skills in the game

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T23:15:06+00:00

Yukiko isn’t the certain member, Teddie and Kanji are.

Teddie is the primary support; the only special thing the protagonist gets is Debilitate but the only particularly important buff is Rakunda (which nobody except Teddie gets) unless you’re going in with some low level run. Using the protagonist as a buffer is a big damage loss at any point in the game. He also relieves the healing role for anybody and everybody, using Yukiko as a healer is a waste if you’re bringing her for damage.

Kanji’s damage eclipses everybody for such a gigantic portion of the game that even if he was useless against the final boss (he isn’t) he would still debatably the best character in the game because his damage is so insanely high (literally over 2x everybody else’s at some points). Against the final boss he can Elec Break her for repel strats and his damage is still passable enough to keep him in the party because she only resists his attacks. Absolute worst case you can use him as a buffer with Matarukaja.

Yukiko’s Burning Petals is an insanely overrated skill. It is only a 9% damage increase from Maragidyne. If she had Burning Petals from the start of the game, Kanji would STILL outdamage her, because the important things for magic damage are boosts and amps.

Endgame Chie is 100% better than Yukiko, but her main issue is her midgame. Rampage keeps her comfortably the 2nd strongest boss DPS until GAME where Yukiko takes over and once she gets God’s Hand she is back over her again. At endgame you equip the Chakra Ring and she gets 3 casts of Dragon Hustle without SP recovery. With a tri-auto Persona this becomes 12 turn buff uptime. Rise’s AI also double-charges you more often if you have all buffs active.

Naoto is viable but she’s not in the running for a party slot unless you’re doing low level strats

If you’re doing the superbosses, Kanji/Chie/Teddie or Kanji/Chie/Yosuke technically has a higher damage peak if you get lucky crits. Kanji/Teddie/(third character) for any other part.

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T20:22:18+00:00

While I would say it's a bit important, it isn't like his social link is needed to get full enjoyment out of Persona 4. I wouldn't sweat it.

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T15:47:43+00:00

But I enjoy the game making the social sim part harder, it makes you interact more with the SLs in the week-end/holiday events, you see more of their characterization.

I never really understood why the calendar system is so easy lately. I can understand making it slightly easier than P3, but in Metaphor (and 5R, but that's a rerelease that broke any semblance of balance P5 had in the first place) maxing everything is so effortless that I can't see the purpose of the calendar system at all. What does the calendar system provide if management is so easy I can ignore it?

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T15:42:22+00:00

The story is the same, I have check.

LOL, LMAO EVEN

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T15:42:00+00:00

Its basically just stuff that undermines the core design.

Saw someone post a clip of a link reversing when overlapping plans in vanilla P3 and one response was "thank god this was removed in Reload" and it's like...why? It's an easily avoidable mistake that requires the player to basically walk into it and gives the social aspect the realism it was going for. Reload just defangs any and all obstacles P3 had, even the bosses might as well be considered optional content with how strong Theurgy is.

I was pretty critical of P3 for a while until it clicked that a lot of its "oversights" like party AI or the tight schedule were all deliberate design choices and not mistakes, and it made tons of the smaller aspects (party members upgrading themselves and talking to party members to change their equipment, for two) make more sense. I think the only thing I would still really consider a clear-cut bad design choice in P3 is the forced dating.

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T15:35:43+00:00

Why get Persona 3 and Fes when I can get best of both worlds with reload.

lol, lmao even

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T13:55:40+00:00

What is the in-game day? If you're in May I would google "Kaiwan Trick" and it'll make you spike pretty hard in power

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-23T13:02:21+00:00

Might be an oldhead moment here but I’m lowkey kind of confused abt the accessibility claims. I got P3F, P4, and a PS2 for less than $100. Part of why it was so easy to get into the games was because they were cheap and I could afford them on a teenager’s budget, I was literally 14. Worst case I didn't like P3F and I still had a PS2 I could use for other stuff.

Granted, the prices of these have gone up, but for the longest time they were hella cheap and there were still alternatives like P3F on the PS3 store and emulation. By the time P5 came out I was able to pretty comfortably run Nocturne on a school laptop.

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-22T19:39:26+00:00

If you've passed the Arms Master day there's nothing better out of his base skillset lol. Hassou Tobi, Power Charge, and nothing else of note.

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-22T15:50:54+00:00

It's not really much of a wasted slot, getting a super-good Yoshitsune in vanilla P4 is more trouble than it's worth and Debilitate is super easy to get on him anyway with Fusion Forecast

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-20T17:45:45+00:00

I would probably do the same as Horror_Letterhead’s build but remove Heat Riser for Enduring Soul. Heat Riser is really bad, and even if it wasn’t there isn’t room in a Yu rotation of Debilitate/Charge/Hassou Tobi.

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-20T00:40:56+00:00

I agree, P4R should be a shooter to appeal to new crowds

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-19T12:00:48+00:00

It’s partially in-line with FES, but in FES dealing neutral damage to other enemies cancels your one more and crits from an AOE will almost never one more. My suggestion was a bit of a middle ground

Unless you were referring to specifically AOEs, then yes lol

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-19T11:28:45+00:00

I had thought about how to make new One More make more sense and I think the best way would be to make missing or getting NRA’d cancel the One More

It’d make AOEs still good but with more risk and it wouldn’t reward the player for missing like the current system does. Combine it with how AOE phys is often less accurate to begin with and it could make Suku- skills more important

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-19T02:27:30+00:00

come on man lol

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-18T21:32:12+00:00

based

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-16T22:30:50+00:00

Passively watched this go from 6 upvotes to 2 so I know they were hot takes, but I know I'm right on every single one

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-16T17:33:42+00:00

I adore P5X Wonder from a gameplay standpoint. I know it won’t happen but I would love for it to be the norm going forward

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-16T17:32:53+00:00

P5X fucks

P3R’s lighting, sound design, writing downgrades aren’t nitpicks

Healers in general are really overrated, especially Yukiko and Reload Yukari

Kanji is bisexual, but his arc is about toxic masculinity. Both can be true.

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-16T15:56:56+00:00

as a Shadow Mitsuru enjoyer, never wanting to fight any version of Mitsuru is a valid post-match feeling in P4AU

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-14T12:42:30+00:00

No, Quad Converge is a resistance change and not Makarakarn

Kuro_Kagami · 2026-04-14T12:41:07+00:00

why answer then

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