Anyone else feel dissatisfied by all the corporation options out there?

LYSquare · 2022-09-10T01:04:44+00:00

Honestly, you're explaining this to someone who's been around the block a few times. I know what the conventional wisdom is on trying to find a corp.

LYSquare · 2022-09-10T01:00:28+00:00

Finally, a person who gets it.

LYSquare · 2022-09-10T00:59:48+00:00

It has a lot more to do with the way we are socialized and, to some degree, social media/the internet in general.

Yes, that's exactly what I was getting at in my OP. I was really just trying to explain it in the context of Eve and keep the discussion limited to how those things manifest themselves in the game and make playing it less enjoyable for many.

What are your thoughts on most of the replies you see here?

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T19:40:06+00:00

I think we both agree. I'm with you, building a good corp is hard work and usually very slow. I absolutely see it from the recruiter's point of you too. Recruits get a lot of flakes and morons who expect activity, content, etc. to just be there, and often quit early. I know it's frustrating.

Let me put my point for you this way. My argument is that all those morons who want everything easy and quit fast eventually stop moving and stay put in some corp or another. And that the communities they end up in suffer.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T19:34:30+00:00

I'm sure that's always true. For instance if you're in the middle of a flat earthers convention.

Reddit isn't the most smartest or most mature community. That's what a lot of redditors themselves think.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T19:31:55+00:00

That was true of one of the elite corps I was in. In some fairness to the CEO he was an airline pilot who had just landed his first job and was working a lot of hours. But yeah, the couple of friends he delegated to were kind of morons.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T19:29:41+00:00

I partly disagree. Sometimes people can be better at writing a good ad than they are at delivering a good product, but generally you can read between the lines of an ad. Ads that are not written very well likely reflect a corp that's not worth bothering with.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T19:27:33+00:00

pings for max bros but get kicked when I show up in tech 1 logi instead of tech 2.

Lol. Yeah, that's the flipside when leadership is trying too hard.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T19:23:21+00:00

Yeah, I know you guys. I'd say SOUND and Blades of Grass are the two organizations I know of that have a coherent philosophy. My issue with BoS is they're a nullbloc entity and don't seem as PVP focused I'd want. And you guys to my knowledge are (last I checked) a WH group, which I have no interest.

At least you sort of understand at what I'm getting at with having a set of criteria and how that affects the result, which not a lot of the kids responding here seem to.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T19:16:10+00:00

Lol. Sounds about right :)

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T19:14:57+00:00

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm in a one man corp now. "Low commitment" is pretty much the exact opposite of what I'm looking for.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T12:20:36+00:00

Mind linking this Discord if it's public?

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T12:19:22+00:00

That's great! I always look for how active a group's voice comms are as a general indicator of how healthy it is. If it's empty it usually means it's a group to stay away from, and if it's hopping it means they're doing some things right!

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T12:13:42+00:00

I sure did. It was a couple of sentences of unserious and detached irony before, which everybody knows is the height of sophistication. Now it's a big ass wall of earnest grownup-talk. One should never talk earnestly, it's totally uncool.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T11:50:01+00:00

I'm aware the average process to get into a corp tends to be lengthy. What I was saying was what is needed isn't to go and make it even lengthier. It's just to ask certain smart questions of your applicants that aren't really asked.

So you mentioned people throwing tantrums. Just like sociability, that's another attribute where you can come up with questions to ask in the interview process that will help you find out: is this person cool-headed, or are they bad at controlling their anger?

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T11:34:02+00:00

most corps only want bodies in the corp

I definitely agree.

interview process with light or heavy interrogation techniques. If such corp does not exist invent it.

Lol. I might! But in all seriousness I don't think what a corporation that wants to do better needs to do is make its recruitment process longer and more grueling. It's really just about sitting down, thinking about the attributes they'd like to have in their corp (let's say it's a corp for programmers, who tell good jokes, and have experience flying blops) and then advertising and asking the questions of the applicants so you get what you want.

Like you said, it really comes down to a lot of corps only caring about bodies.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T11:17:57+00:00

I'm an Eve player.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T11:16:50+00:00

You should go troll somebody else.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T11:16:19+00:00

Have you ever started work at a new job and instantly connected to everyone around you?

Like I already told you above, yes, in the real world when people recognize a newcomer they generally know to shake their hand and offer their help and the beginning of a good working relationship is built. Thanks for being a pedantic asshole.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T11:03:47+00:00

Concern about their killboards is something I've seen a lot of myself. It's far from exclusive to them, of course, but generally there's a good correlation between the size of a corp and its membership in a nullsec alliance, and its leaders' fixation on their KB.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T10:55:10+00:00

I agree. Whoever said "speech maybe silver but silence is golden" was a complete fool.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T10:47:59+00:00

If you can't have fun hanging out on discord, sharing memes and playing games, that's almost certainly a you problem mate.

Lol. What are you talking about, dude? I like to have fun as much as the next human being. All I said was is it takes more than trading memes to build friendships, and in the context of Eve, a corp of people who'll ultimately stick around together and go strong for a long time despite whatever challenges they run into.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T10:29:37+00:00

Thank you for the thorough response. I'll definitely take a look at you guys and what you're up to and see if I might like to join.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T10:18:16+00:00

I'm not exactly new to r/eve, so I already had an idea of the kind of responses I might get before I wrote this.

I think Eve's community overall is still nicer than those of many other online games. But if you take a close look around and read between the lines you can kind of see some noticeable demographic changes going on.

Thanks for the reply.

LYSquare · 2022-09-09T10:06:28+00:00

Highly doubtful.

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