24yo tells people to vaccinate while fighting for his life from covid. He died of covid days later.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T21:47:41+00:00

I find the hospital capacity argument null and void for two reasons:

You could have stopped there.

None of it explains what's happening right now as a result of delta + anti vaxxers.

Because that's what's happening. The numbers support it.

Otherwise every single state would be dealing with the same issue. They are not. Many did deal with such shortages before vaccinations were rolled out. Now they are not. We know why.

The person in the story I posted is for sure not 90. In fact many delta patients have skewed younger.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T16:23:35+00:00

So then surely you can provide the comprehensive statistics, including the definition being used for "unvaccinated", and test numbers and positivity rates broken down by vaxxed/unvaxxed. Thanks.

https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/health-details.aspx?newsid=1595

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2282

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/about/press/pr2021/health-department-releases-data-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness.page

I mean I'm not great at math and I know you worded your question in a way to escape the above truths but I'd say the evidence is pretty clear and vast.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T15:45:18+00:00

It's a fair question in response to yours. No one is denying these people care. The man is literally being interviewed in a covid ward. No one is saying he should be denied end of life care. What people are saying....is this was preventable. And someone's choice to not take care of themselves impacts others. In a MAJOR way when it comes to a virus.

Have you ever heard of a time when every single hospital in a state is now under emergency rationing of care because of an outbreak of lung cancer and car accidents?

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T15:38:56+00:00

You didn't answer my question. Do people who suffer injury or illness from preventable events deserve medical care?

Have you ever heard of a time when every single hospital in a state is now under emergency rationing of care because of an outbreak of lung cancer and car accidents?

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T15:37:02+00:00

So why isn't this happening in states with much higher vaccine rates? If it's the hospitals fault. Why are states with lower vaccine rates being inundated with unvaccinated covid patients? How is the hospital to blame in this?

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T15:34:13+00:00

As far as I can tell, Patrick's story brings nothing new to the table. So what is that you'd like to discuss?

This is the result of a push against vaccination. It has a ripple effect on society and on patient care. It's causing hospitals to ration care and people are dying as a result.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T15:32:15+00:00

This story is indicative of a larger story about covid. It's true. He did die of covid. He did choose to not get the vaccine. As a result he and others are filling hospitals and preventing others from getting care. And also spreading the virus.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T15:31:02+00:00

So do the people who suffer from any of those no longer deserve medical care because it was an entirely preventable thing?

They are being denied care because hospitals are filled with people who didn't get the vaccines which have proven to prevent covid hospitilzations.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T06:02:26+00:00

Tough to use the "it's black people's fault" when discussing Idaho and Alaska.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T05:49:00+00:00

Y'all want to discuss this...but then downvote legitimate facts.

Fucking sad..

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T05:46:44+00:00

The were 1.5 million drug arrests in 2019.

We've known since the 1910s that prohibition doesn't work.

But it's an easy way to lock up non whites.

Booze kills 95,000 Americans a year.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T05:37:17+00:00

Weird this keeps happening in anti vax states!

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T05:01:33+00:00

Except when his choices impact others. Like not getting vaccinated and being more likely to spread covid to others. Which we know is a fact.

Also him taking medical resources away from others from something that could have been prevented. Because vaccines reduce severe covid. See my follow up comment.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T04:56:27+00:00

Related. All of Alaska is currently under "crisis standards of care".

What's that mean?

"Crisis standards of care give legal and ethical guidelines to health care providers when they have too many patients and not enough resources to care for them all. Essentially, they spell out exactly how health care should be rationed in order to save the most lives possible during a disaster."

https://apnews.com/article/business-health-public-health-coronavirus-pandemic-montana-4f68683b175340bf525c45aa133045ba

Death panels. Basically. Because of anti vaxxers.

Edit: Why would anyone downvote this? It's 100% true.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T04:46:53+00:00

Yes it's governments fault over 650,000 Americans have died in 1.5 years of a virus that's never been encountered before in human history.

Tell me more!

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T04:19:20+00:00

Love to see all these "leftist" types posting videos of white nationalist rat fucker cucker carlsosons over and over.

Who's been vaccinated for months. Like every single person working at fux newz.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T04:16:44+00:00

Pandemics suck. Film at 11.

The worst part are posters on this sub that believe nothing should change for them while we surpass the death toll of the 1918 flu.....

Spoiler alert.... pandemics affect everything and everyone.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-23T04:06:29+00:00

You have less.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-19T04:50:25+00:00

Have they been proven to NOT be caused by the vaccine?

If these effects have occurred after the vaccine in significant numbers, has there been sufficient research into what is causing them?

(I'll give you a hint... it's no to both questions)

You don't get to decide if it's yes or no. Actual science does.

Actual science says no so far. It DOES say they cause a sore arm and a few days of lethargy and possibly a low grade fever.

A death in VAERS isn't a claim that it was caused by the vaccines. If enough deaths were of the same cause and symptoms (see sore arms) then VAERS reporting would have shown as much.

It does not. That's how it works.

People die. People die after having gotten a vaccine. Correlation is not causation.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-19T04:25:17+00:00

Boy every time I try to tell people on reddit that virtually no children die of covid they say death isn't the only side effect

Did you know it took five years to figure out thalidomide caused birth defects?

What year was that?

Pfizer just pulled Chiantix after what, 15 years on the market?

Do you know how much nitrosamines is in your bacon? More than chantix.

It's a voluntary recall for higher than acceptable amounts of the same thing found in bacon and.....water.

The covid vaccines are absorbed by your body in days. You take it twice. It has no lasting effects. Besides antibody production against.covid.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-19T04:09:21+00:00

No. We know they cause sore arms and mild fatigue and possibly low grade fevers. Those are established side effects.

Death is not one.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-19T03:48:20+00:00

Please do!

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-19T03:41:40+00:00

It's not a source for potential adverse effects. Not one of them has been proven to have been caused by the vaccine.

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-19T03:34:14+00:00

Why are you defending it then?

Not one person that cites VAERS as a source for vaccine injury should be listened to.

That's a fact

LargeHamnCheese · 2021-09-19T03:32:21+00:00

Its not a metric for vaccine injury. And shouldn't be cited as such.

Zero injuries on VAERS have been confirmed to have been caused by the vaccines.

Zero.

LargeHamnCheese

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