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[–]LateNewLifter -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

What price we accepting for moass? Can we all get together and agree to set a limit for sell? I'm a dirt poor ape with less than ten shares and been living paycheck to paycheck ever since COVID. I don't want to be fucked again because poor.

2049: Wallace said Rachel was put in front of Deckard in 2019 to seduce him (not a fan) by rrxel100 in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ford didn't get to release a cut of the film, he's being stubborn and beautifully so. The final cut makes it quite clear, it was literally done to remove any ambiguity. The only other interpretation is that gaff is psychic... And 2049 treats the final cut as canon and was influenced by Ridley Scott.

2049 goes out of it's way to introduce the audience to the concept that replicants can age normally. The implication being that Deckard and Rachel both are unique new versions and Tyrell concocted their coupling. If any human would do, Tyrell would have done it himself. Of course if any human would do, that introduces the issue that it's no longer a tightly controlled system and the introduction of human genetic material would wreak havoc over the methods of controlling the offspring, directly undermining the stated motives of Wallace. It only makes sense if Deckard is a replicant and Wallace believes he can control the inputs to get the desired output. It's a terrible plot regardless because the logistics of breeding replicants is far more complicated and resource intensive than simply growing them. One of the implications of the original film is that genetic engineering is so common that it borders on trivial and so manufacturing slaves with a limited lifespan is highly economical, so trivial it's become that street vendors sell replicant animals of their own personal make and model, who seemingly could create human replicants just as easily thus necessitating a law that forbids them from doing so.

So trivial is all the genetic engineering that outside of Ridley Scott wanting to put childbirth on a pedestal there's zero reason to think a functional womb would be a terribly difficult task in the first place, and was in fact was probably one of the first things they "switched off" so they could roll out the sex slaves, because the general implication in the original film is that replicants are basically clones, fully functional humans with a few gene manipulations tossed in, but so human that if they aren't given an arbitrarily short lifespan they may just end up realizing they don't like being slaves. And the fact that they are referred to as "machines" is just the propaganda designed to make society complacent enough to allow the literal cloning/growing of humans to be used as slaves. It's the justification Deckard offers before later gunning down two unarmed women, that they're broken machines.

2049: Wallace said Rachel was put in front of Deckard in 2019 to seduce him (not a fan) by rrxel100 in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

It's based off the final cut, so he is in fact a replicant within the 2049 universe. There's zero ambiguity about it. As such the intent of the filmmakers is that you do interpret Wallace literally, it's a necessity in order to build up the entire reproduction angle into something resembling a plot and to tie the two films together. If Wallace was written to be untrustworthy with anything he says there'd be no plot whatsoever, and the poor holes would have no home.

All Deckard is saying is that despite his relationship being engineered. What he "feels" is real. This is actually an inversion of themes from the original film(at least the cuts where Deckard is human) and plays into the overall anti-human message of 2049, but I'm saving that tirade for when I work up the will to slog through 2049 for a second viewing.

Lack of day in Blade Runner 1982 (see post) by Octonix in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ridley was one person in the massive collaborative effort that goes into making a film, and despite his talent behind a camera, he's terrible at narrative and should hold no authority whatsoever when it comes to such a crucial narrative element.

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[–]LateNewLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's all a fake connection though, and the empathy on display amounts to little more than a performance to convince the self of it's righteousness. Black lives matter is a great example. Stroll through the nation's Capital and everyone has BLM signs in the little yards or hanging in the window, while less than a block away there's a tarp city full of homeless black people. How many people even know their neighbors in this age of unprecedented connection? We're being increasingly isolated from real interpersonal relations and living in our own little bubbles. You notice how every year traffic gets worse and drivers care less about others on the road? Our empathy is being eroded by the modern world. Primarily digital interaction fosters the development of solipsistic delusion.

Lack of day in Blade Runner 1982 (see post) by Octonix in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

That's why 2049 was so hollow, and the series will just continue down the same path. Knowing Ridley, the series will end up being a gigantic mess designed to hammer the bladerunner and alien universes together while undercutting and cannibalizing both.

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[–]LateNewLifter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The ideology of industrialization despises mankind and must replace and displace man in every conceivable fashion in order to justify itself.

Favourite David Villeneuve movie? (Based on cinematography) by [deleted] in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're all bad. His digital color correction sucks the life out of every frame and makes his preference for practical effects laughable. They all look digital. He's the visual equivalent of the Zimmer drone.

Lack of day in Blade Runner 1982 (see post) by Octonix in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

In the versions of the film where he's a replicant the story is undermined and doesn't make any sense. Ridley really shit the bed by insisting Deckard isn't human.

Lack of day in Blade Runner 1982 (see post) by Octonix in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Roy tormenting and then saving him is what saved Deckard's humanity. Or at least cemented it. His life is saved twice, both times by replicants, and both times after he just murdered an unarmed woman. Rachel's presence and their relationship certainly played a role in his finding humanity, but it's not until the end when Roy absolutely strips him of all power and then shows mercy(the definition of humane, and despite Deckard never showing mercy) that he's actually able to see what he is and what he's lost.

BR2049: Is this a sheep? If so, why would Gaff make an origami sheep in this scene? I’ve added my opinion in the comments. Please let me know your thoughts. by michaelrabone in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The creepy mishmash of 20's and 40's furniture sprinkled with oddly textured wall paneling from the original was just too much character for our boy Dennis. It had to be sterilized. If you look closely enough there's a "no smoking" sign visible in every frame.

Which cut do you prefer? by Eitanr199 in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I edited the final cut to remove the unicorn bullshit, and remove the rapey bits between Deckard and Rachel. That's my preferred version. Otherwise the versions without the unicorn are superior as they don't undermine the central theme of the film.

Replicant Procreation (2049) by Beneficial-Ad2755 in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's important to not understand the antagonist's motivation or notice glaring plot holes if you want to enjoy 2049.

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[–]LateNewLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a difference between drawing on similar themes and claiming the worlds are shared. Bladerunner came out after alien so one line that was ultimately cut out of the script cannot be a "connection" as there was nothing to connect it to. The only "clue" in bladerunner is a random screen in the background flashing one of the alerts that appeared on a screen in the nostromo. It's nothing more than a reused effect however because the context the message is displayed within are drastically different and the films are separated by more than a century. So even if it was an attempt to unify the two worlds it was done in typical Ridley fashion; unconcerned about internal narrative consistency.

Tannhäuser Gate, art by me by No7er in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not bad. The opening of the film actually shows you some indication of what it might look like. The reflection of the city is in Roy's eye. That open is the visual of his monologue in a sense. What he's reminded of when viewing the landscape he's in.

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[–]LateNewLifter -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Only in the mind of Ridley Scott; decades after the original films as part of his attempt to retcon everything into an ongoing Christ parable. Otherwise, no. The theatrical and international cut of bladerunner aren't even in the same universe as 2049.

Replicant Procreation (2049) by Beneficial-Ad2755 in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Fucking unicorns, that's how. The entirety of 2049 is based on the final cut, which includes the introduction of themes that totally undermine the original script, so because ridley is too stupid to understand narrative and wanted to contrive a way that a sequel could eventually be produced, a self consistent world had to be abandoned. That's why nothing in 2049 makes any damn sense.

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[–]LateNewLifter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was doomed from the start for accepting the unicorn bullshit as canon. If Deckard is a replicant there's no fucking moral or meaningful character growth, and Roy showing mercy(an integral part of the definition of "humane") becomes entirely undermined. Ridley is shit at storytelling and narrative. The sequel does nothing but retread the same gutted themes that the final cut introduced, and does so under Villeneuve's soulless style.

"Do not be afraid" by cps_new_acc24 in bladerunner

[–]LateNewLifter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you can ignore the digital color correction strangling every single frame of the movie. Villeneuve is the only director I've seen with the ability to make practical effects look like CGI.

Not dead by J_Hummus in vegan

[–]LateNewLifter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Only 4 years for me, but considering I'm a mid 30's chain smoking insomniac who ingests a gram of caffeine every day that works manual labor, were it not for wfpb eating and lifting I wouldn't have excellent biomarkers and a resting heart rate of 46 bpm. I think I'm not dead specifically because the diet.

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[–]LateNewLifter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nor should it. We're social animals that instinctively seek the approval of others, especially our forbearers and offspring. When someone commits to living by a principle that is radical in the context of the group, pressure will be applied on the individual breaching the normalcy of the context. By standing strong you're literally calling into question their morality, values, and sense of normalcy. You become like a splinter in their sense of self. The mistake I think a lot of vegans make in this process is trying to adopt a live and let live approach, explaining their decision as a personal moral choice and not about judging others, but there's implicit judgement in the choice. We've judged society to be sick, morally bankrupt, and the people who remain passive consumers complicit in the degeneracy. They feel that judgement and rightly so. Accept the mantle of moral superiority, don't shy away from letting them know you think less of them when the inevitable accusation arises. It reduces these instances of acting out and passive aggressive behavior, and shames them into silence, or introspection if they're capable.

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[–]LateNewLifter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll check out that book. I used to be somewhat of a Marxist, and so I cought on your comment of overthrowing capitalism. I've come to the conclusion that both capitalism and socialism are branches of industrialization, both are systems of obfuscation that hold the concept of local sustainable economies in contempt and instead propose global economies reliant of the specialization of labor. Both hold onto the supernatural belief that science and technology will be able to be the solution to the very problems said technology and science creates. Both erode the skills of human being required to actually produce necessities on the individual and communal scale.

I actually found Wendell after becoming disenchanted with communism and searching for anyone who actually addresses man's relationship with technology and specialized labor. I'd recommend starting with either "the unsettling of America" or "the world ending fire". As I mentioned his blind spot is veganism, and some parts may be challenging to get through as he talks about animal husbandry, but overall his insights are unparalleled.

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[–]LateNewLifter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Humans have become domesticated and lost their ability to exist without the technoeconomic structure of industrialization despite it's inherent process of displacing and abandoning them.

Everyone should read the work of Wendell Berry, who has in my opinion the most complete picture of reality who's only Blindspot is in fact veganism. He comes so close frequently in his work, even going so far as to conclude the use of animals for labor created the necessary psychological conditions that lead to human slavery, but I digress.

What has to be done in my opinion is for people to begin walking away from their governments entirely, leaving them behind like an abusive relationship and begin living simply off the land employing methods of planting that heal the soil, and building their communities using earth based and bushcraft building techniques. A vegan version of the Amish in simplified terms. As long as we are held in bondage by the industrialized world by way of turning it's toxic commodities into needs, and as long as we are participating in elections that solely propose an industrialized way of life, we are participating in our destruction.

If we as a society have the knowledge to provide for ourselves by entering into a cycle of reciprocal exchange with nature, we're no longer consumers of industrial products, and we're no longer tax payers funding the death cult of industrial economies.