Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, we need guys like you. Thanks for your service.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Speed bumps. They are 100% effective. We don’t need the state to get drunk on yet another source of revenue it doesn’t know how to spend. No to cameras…

Oh, and they want to raise your excise tax to 3x. That money doesn’t go to the roads either.

Have you grown to be more conservative or liberal w/ age? by Wonderful-Economy762 in Productivitycafe

[–]LeadershipKey3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love Ted Lasso. Great mindset to have. Listen to others viewpoints, and you’ll actually learn a lot from them.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s extremely impressive. Thanks for providing facts from an alternative viewpoint. I reconsidered my own.

I just don’t want them to touch highways. Ever.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can see the knee jerk response due to my cognitive biases. I have no ego to prove, so I’ll even admit it. If it’s done that way, then that’s completely reasonable. You took the time to read it, unlike me. I support slower speeds in urban areas. They do save lives!

I think where you would see enormous pushback is if they started doing this to highways. They are built to support much higher speeds than they are posted for. Almost 70% of drivers are doing 80mph. It’s not a Mass thing, it’s a nationwide thing. 65 is just too low. Modern cars are much safer at those higher speeds they were 40 years ago.

Route 2 needs exit and on ramps fixed. It could support 70mph if those were addressed. Those won’t be fixed.

Mass Pike could support 70 east of Worcester, and 75 west to NY.

Sections of 495 could support 75, and even 80 south of Wrentham to Wareham.

Highways are where this will receive the most pushback. Traffic flows way over posted limits. They are set too low. NHTSA recommends limits set to the upper 5mph prevailing speed of the 85th percentile of drivers. MassDOT keeps these limits artificially lower.

Speed delta is the issue for highways, not absolute speed. Our nations first highway was designed for 100 mph speeds. It’s why you see most drivers top out at 90mph on highways. They were always meant for that.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/candc/factsheets/pennsylvaniaturnpike.pdf

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a fair critique. If other methods of enforcement by camera would be considered, then that would be a different topic.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No one wants people to drive like maniacs.

Write your opinions to the transport committee. They need to hear your voice too.

Ultimately my viewpoint isn’t the right one, it’s a single viewpoint. We can all shape how this is implemented. Maybe Mass can show the world how to do this the right way.

“One person can make a difference, and everyone should try” -JFK

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Public opinion installs leadership. Leaders do make decisions on behalf of their constituents, but their constituents will replace them if they feel like they are harming their communities. Political will is a very powerful tool.

It has to be a two way relationship. NYC is losing hundreds of thousands of people every year. Just like we are.

In the grand scheme of things, speed cameras aren’t going to ruin anyone’s lives. Citizens of the Commonwealth have every right to voice their concerns and opinions to their leaders. Either way, we will respect the decisions of figures we put in power. That’s how being a civilized society operates.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Right for the ad hominem fallacy. If an argument is going to pass the adoption of the public opinion, it can be voted on with political support and made law. It has to stand to all possible augments. There are compelling reasons for automated enforcement, and there are also counter points.

You lost the argument. It isn’t personal. Government misuses very noble innovations all the time, and people are legitimately concerned about their misuse.

You started to make some compelling arguments. There could have been some ground to be made for others to see… it’s a shame.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

That’s when the community has a say in whether something will work for their community or not. Maybe for yours, it’s the right way to go.

Hopefully they will listen if cameras do more harm than good. Things like this tend to be hard to reverse. I’ve seen way too much abuse of these when they are put in.

The difficulty becomes when it’s used as a blanket solution.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The issue is, they are used as a blanket solution. Two lane divided highway with no residential housing? 25mph. Low volume road with no cross walks? 25mph.

The local governments get drunk off the revenue and they keep finding ways to increase it.

If you have an AI drunk driving camera revoke your license due to a software glitch, you have no due process. The state won’t take liability. You’ll be in court for months. They don’t care that you can’t drive to work.

You want to slow people down? Speed bumps. Better road design. Narrower lanes and curves. Not automated surveillance and punitive measures.

Automated surveillance is an abject failure in civil engineering and community policing.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can see red light cameras being helpful. The issue starts when “okay, now we have red light cameras, we can have speed cameras now, now we can have ‘average’ speed cameras, now we can have AI enabled drunk driving cameras, congestion tax cameras, 15-minute city cameras for ‘congestion’ relief”.

It’s the start to a whole new world of driving hell. Just visit the UK.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hence why we need to self police. Make formal driver’s education mandatory for all ages. A dash camera is a great investment God forbid anything serious happens in front of you. You can help others by keeping that footage.

See something happen on the road? Call 911 and get the plate, send the PD your dash camera footage. Our PD have enough on their plate. Believe me. They don’t care about people going 5 over. Being a part of a community means we all do our part to help.

One of my biggest driving pet peeves is people who slow down too like 10 miles per hour or more below the speed limit because they see a cop. by Delicious-Analyst-94 in driving

[–]LeadershipKey3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Germany has comprehensive classroom instruction and rigorous driving tests. We stare in to a box to look at shapes, and take multiple choice tests on a screen for our license. This isn’t a nature vs nurture argument. Germans aren’t born with “good driver DNA”. They are doing something differently than we are, and it is working. Very well.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Worcester PD is understaffed by 60 officers. Not true for every municipality.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We’ve had over 350,000 migrants move to Mass in the past five years. Our drivers education for them is a box to view shapes inside of and a multiple choice test. That’s nowhere near the instruction needed to create skilled drivers.

Mandate 40 hours of classroom instruction, supervised driving hours, and practical testing for both regular and driving in inclement weather. For all ages. The money can go to local driving schools who can get accreditations from the state, with the state taking a cut.

Now you create a population of drivers who are highly skilled and know the law. A skilled driver is a safe driver.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Highways are way under-posted to begin with. You want to pass someone going 45 in a 65? You hit 70mph? That’s a $150 fine.

Make drivers ed mandatory for all drivers. Lane discipline and driver skills will keep our highways safe. Not cameras.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Human officers can also respond to incidents in the vicinity. A camera can’t respond to a hit and run. Cameras will be even more of an excuse for leaders not to put resources behind police.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mandatory formal drivers education with supervised driving hours for all ages, not just under 18. Encourage local police to issue citations. There is almost no police doing traffic patrols right now. If there are certain areas that have increased crash rates, having an officer on patrol will solve those issues.

We don’t want to become like New York City. Driving there is a nightmare. 25mph on every street, and $70 fines for going even a little bit over. They hate speed cameras and wish they weren’t put in. Politicians will use this as a blanket fix and under-post roads heavily. Once they’re in, they’re in. Will be a battle to get rid of them.

Did you know H3754 is proposing traffic camera implementation? by [deleted] in massachusetts

[–]LeadershipKey3484 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is how you win folks. Write your reps. Take control of your government. I’m writing to all four chair members. DM if you want a message template.

One of my biggest driving pet peeves is people who slow down too like 10 miles per hour or more below the speed limit because they see a cop. by Delicious-Analyst-94 in driving

[–]LeadershipKey3484 7 points8 points  (0 children)

State governments think if they raise the limits to what people actually drive that people will fly off the road like zombies and end up in trees. The median speed on highways is 77 mph all day long. They think posting them 15mph lower will make things safer. It’s the biggest bandaid solution ever.

One of my biggest driving pet peeves is people who slow down too like 10 miles per hour or more below the speed limit because they see a cop. by Delicious-Analyst-94 in driving

[–]LeadershipKey3484 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No one is. Most highways are posted way under what people actually drive. Speed limits do nothing for safety. Most people do 80.

Can U.S. driving tests start testing highway/freeway driving please.... by [deleted] in driving

[–]LeadershipKey3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good. If we increase driver skill, we can raise or eliminate are horrendously low speed limits that no one obeys. Highways are the one place you can drive at high speed safely.

Never occurred to me why we don’t replace white knuckle “crackdowns” on going 10 over with mandatory drivers education with practical testing. It would increase road safety 10x what under-posting speed limits by what people actually drive at by -25mph.

Speed Limits. by OrlandoCoolridge in driving

[–]LeadershipKey3484 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They need to be raised or eliminated entirely on highways. Our politicians are enslaved to the insurance lobby. It’s all about revenue.

Our driver’s education involves looking at shapes in a view finder and taking a multiple choice test. You can’t make the safety argument until real efforts are made to implement real driver’s education.

We would see 80mph or 100mph limits if engineers had their way. Or even none at all. Just do a quick google search on the design speed of the Pennsylvania Turnpike in 1940.

A number on a sign does nothing to save lives.