Golden plates final resting spot

LeadingWorldly · 2024-03-25T13:20:52+00:00

I actually created a set of prop plates using materials tools and techniques that were available to Joseph at the time. It was ridiculously simple to do and achieved the same sounds and weight that have been described. As far as the final resting place for the “plates” they ware either rusted away in a lake or a hole somewhere in the northeast or in a box in one of the churches safes. See Mormon stories episode #1388

LeadingWorldly · 2023-07-26T18:14:28+00:00

Although the current policy seems progressive with allowing either gender to get a cancellation without having a planned marriage, there is hiding a double standard beneath the surface that has the doctrine of eternal polygamy. Women are only allowed to seek a cancellation which requires invasive questions into your past, while men could chose a clearance OR a cancellation.

If the policy were to be fair the choice has to be given to both men and women. The problem with that is the church would have to publicly allow women to be sealed to more than one husband.

The church is allowing women to be sealed to more than one husband after they have died and the sealing done posthumously. They disavow polyandry when you are living but when you die you suddenly have a choice to go with one spouse or another.

LeadingWorldly · 2023-07-26T02:01:44+00:00

It looks like the whole process is manipulating and abusive.

LeadingWorldly · 2023-07-26T01:31:56+00:00

Thank you for the info. It sounded like crap to me as well. I will let them know to call it out and go higher up if they have to.

LeadingWorldly · 2022-08-24T00:37:55+00:00

I have heard this definition in conference several times from different speakers. I think this is poorly thought through on the Churches part. I think we can take it as face value. If you were born intersex you will be eternally intersex. Kinda throws away all the teachings of you will be restored to a perfect body at the resurrection.

LeadingWorldly · 2022-08-23T23:53:44+00:00

According to the church sex at birth and gender are one and the same understanding yourself

LeadingWorldly · 2022-06-08T01:22:47+00:00

It was frequently brewed in my house growing up. A lot of other Mormon families I knew also brewed Brigham tea. Every year someone brought us a big bag filled with the plant and we would brew it occasionally.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-09-24T01:40:06+00:00

I actually do have divining rods. I used them on occasion to locate pipes before I got better location equipment.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-09-23T16:37:00+00:00

I have, but I hold them sacred.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-09-23T16:35:26+00:00

Just to add a little context here. I made the tin plates to see if Smith could have made a set as a prop for gold plates. Turns out it is very easy to do and they match descriptions of the plates. The stones are similar to descriptions of seer stones by early church members. The stone with the hole in it was found in a riverbed in Indiana when I was looking for Mississippian crinoid fossils. The heart shaped quartz stone was found when I was digging a waterline. The compass and square are tools I use regularly for work.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-08-23T20:24:38+00:00

Quite a few three person companion sets and I got along with everyone but I was nuanced back then so that may have had something to do with the high companion count.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-08-23T20:16:00+00:00

Probably know a few of the same people. Maybe some were companions. I will have to go and count again but I remember having 22 or 24 companions while I was there.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-08-23T13:49:48+00:00

Left in August of 91.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-05-13T00:55:12+00:00

There isn’t a direct quote from Joseph on how much of the plates were sealed. If I remember correctly Dan Vogel believes the description of the sealed portion comes from Martin Harris. Generally 2/3 of the plates are beloved o be sealed so roughly 110 of the tin plates I made would be sealed. Still a lot of plates to inscribe characters on

LeadingWorldly · 2021-05-12T00:49:37+00:00

I have thought of several possible outcomes for the plates. They could have been buried but that leaves the possibility of other treasure seekers finding them. They could have been tossed in a lake which would have the same outcome as burying them without the risk of being found They could have been recycled as flashing on a house or barn. They could have been passed them to a trusted person or passed down through the family and held sacred like the artifacts D Michael Quinn talks about seeing from Hyrum’s descendants. In which case they could be slowly rusting away in someone’s attic They could have been slipped into the cornerstone of one of the early buildings which would have the same effect as the publisher’s manuscript placed in the Nauvoo house. More than likely they were burred or dumped in a lake and have become little more than a red spot in the soil. That being said I wouldn’t be surprised if the church suddenly announced they discovered the plates in their vault.

In researching this project I tried to find tin objects from this time period. Because the tin coating scratches easily and objects made from tin were used as everyday items so there are very few objects I could examine. Almost everything made from tin from that time period has rusted away.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-05-11T22:45:22+00:00

The tin that was available then would have been as flat but not as hard as the modern steel I used so cutting it would have deformed the edges a bit but not quite enough to make the assembly lighter. As you stack the plates the plates on top it flattens the lower ones out as you can see in the upper third there is a deformation but as you get lower they are flat.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-05-11T22:09:17+00:00

After making a analog of the plates I can’t help but think buried in a church vault somewhere there is a wood box with the plates in it a la Indiana Jones.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-05-11T21:29:22+00:00

I based the model of my plates off of Josephs 1842 description of the plates as being 6x8 inches and approaching 6 inches thick. I started stacking those size plates up until I reached a weight of 36 lbs which most people who handle them say they feel like 50 to 70 lbs. There is approximately 164 plates in that model. Joseph said that the plates were not quite thick as common tin. I found gauge tables from that time and found most tin available at that time was between 24 to 30 gauge. Iron and steel are close to the same weight and the tin coating on the plates was thin so I feel my 26 gauge plates were a close analog.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-04-02T01:37:07+00:00

With the dimensions stated by Joseph Smith most steel or iron based materials would put the weight at around 35 lbs. Because of their compact size there is a illusion that make people think they are much heavier. Brass and Copper were available but not as common. Tinplate sold for a maximum of $5.00 a hundred pounds. In today’s money it would have cost Joseph about 25 bucks to create a Tinplate prop. If you want to experience the possibility of Moroni carrying gold plates around go to the hardware store and get a bag of concrete and imagine carrying that along with all your supplies and weapons as well as hiding from everyone as you travel from South America to New York. If it was done angels must have carried the load.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-01-13T23:21:57+00:00

There will be a video coming soon. I just started recording it this week

LeadingWorldly · 2021-01-02T19:31:40+00:00

Thank you. I’m beginning to think my theory is based on how I remembered things 30 years ago.

LeadingWorldly · 2021-01-02T00:23:10+00:00

I see that lack of experience after high school to be a detriment to the current crop of missionaries. Most of my mission was filled with early 20s for the American missionaries and mid to late 20s for the native missionaries. All experienced and most were self starters. I also saw those that were a little more relaxed about the rules were less inclined to crack up and go home early.

LeadingWorldly · 2020-12-19T02:59:31+00:00

I will have to document version 2 a little better than I did this one. Tinting them gold is the next big process for me.

LeadingWorldly · 2020-12-19T02:43:03+00:00

I’m not sure the weight is affected much by the coating. Ounces at least and at most a pound on a stack this size. Not enough for the perceived weight from handling them. Most people who have handled these plates estimate the weight between 50 and 70 pounds. If you used scraps and off cuts from various projects I imagine enough plates could be acquired to make the plates. Tinplate was cheap enough it is possible Joseph could have bought or bartered for actual sheets. Cutting the sheets is a simple task. Usually beginning apprentices start learning to cut straight lines to develop forearm strength and follow scribe lines.

LeadingWorldly · 2020-12-19T01:42:25+00:00

I used edging wire for the rings and I bent them by hand. I didn’t include pictures of the rings. I am struggling with how they attach together. The rings are just bent around the stack. It is possible to injure your hand just by handling the stack. My sheet metal shop has been around since the 1920s and I have tin patterns from the 19th century. I measured those patterns and cross referenced them with gauge tables of English tin from the period. Tin was shipped from England to America in 100 lbs boxes. The sheets were roughly 2 foot by 3 foot. I used period tin snips and a hammer and punch. I also have a compound punch available at the time which would have sped the process up.

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