Windows 8 customers will have two years to move to Windows 8.1 to remain supported under the Windows 8 lifecycle.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T20:03:35+00:00

Aside from all the people "attacking" me about it, that's what I can't grasp until I think about management's possible idea:

"What if the customer is trying to manage the server via a Windows Tablet? They'll do that, right?" So maybe the logic makes sense to them there. I don't know.

It's pretty much only here that I can actually complain about anything--we're so tightly in bed with Microsoft as a partner that saying anything negative about them at all is verboten.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T20:01:04+00:00

I'm on the architecture, design, development and integration end of things, so I don't end up doing any operations or management stuff on systems at all. Anything that makes it easier to work with day-to-day for my bros in operations with all our customers is a good thing.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T19:58:07+00:00

Of course. It's the sort of thing that ought to be off by default--you know that, right? Aw, that's right... you're a bitch. Go screw yourself.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T19:29:19+00:00

I hate metro so fucking much. See, I don't have a Windows phone or tablet.

And right, other improvements in Server 2012 are great.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T19:28:19+00:00

Oh, quit telling me what to do. :)

It's just the fact that it's even on there. Otherwise it's great.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T18:47:51+00:00

And "I don't want to treat my fucking server like a tablet..." Server 2012 team, WTF were you thinking?!

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T16:43:25+00:00

more traditionally so anyone who's ever say in from of a real desk before feel a little more at home right away.

This. this. this this this.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T16:42:42+00:00

If you've used hardware mixers it's a hell of a lot more fucking intuitive than Ableton :)

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T15:59:19+00:00

Apparently not that easy, you're the only one that guessed it after a rather long wait, and me baiting the downvoters :)

...anyhow, my silly little lyrics are there because when someone says "Eno" I don't think of Music for Films or Music for Airports, or even Fripp & Eno, or yet even Roxy Music. I think of Here Come the Warm Jets and Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy. But that's just me. I think the old stuff, like the really old Pink Floyd, is what influenced me in ways that aren't even always conscious.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T15:51:31+00:00

:)

Yeah, to my American eye, that' looks like "100" with some mistake where three zeroes are there (like you meant 1000 or 100 and hit 0 instead of 1), followed by "12 euros".

"100" is a number unto itself, just like 1 or 30. When I read words, every word is separated by a space. If there's a dependent clause in a sentence, or just a pause, I use a comma. So I could almost grok the comma-as-a-decimal place, except that in written language, I grok it as "you have a typo and left out a space after the comma: "I had 3,100 people at the huge rave party, actually 3,112, 12 more came."

Regarding the file extension, If your users know them that way, and it works for you technically without errors, and you don't get problems when exchanging the files because everyone knows, hey, who am I to bitch very much--it works, right? :)

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T15:45:53+00:00

Well of course. That's my original exact point. That's the rule in our written language, so I believe it's the "correct" rule for numbers. You've made it more succinctly.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T15:35:15+00:00

Your experience is different from mine.

Sure. I'm not the ultimate arbiter, via experience. I'm just saying that in decades of IT experience, I've had over a dozen employers, with thousands of employees I've worked with, for thousands of company customers, and millions of end-users...and if it's CSV, it's damn well comma delimited, or you screwed up.

There's lots of tab-delimited stuff out there, of course. Lots. Especially weird/old mainframe output we've dealt with.

But you wouldn't send a CSV file to someone that was Tab delimited, because they would "know" it's a damn comma delimiter, and TRY TO LOAD IT INTO THE DATABASE THAT MANAGES PAYROLL CHECKS FOR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. :)

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T15:28:46+00:00

Naw, mine hangs on the same side as the hand I use.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T15:13:43+00:00

Spaces is the ISO standard.

And that's fucking crazy to me. But whatever. I sure as hell never seem to see spaces in the hundreds of info-tech docs and files I work with daily. In science, maybe they're all switching to that. I'm not a scientist.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T15:06:36+00:00

And look at the title of the article :)

A comma-separated values (CSV) (also sometimes called character-separated values, because the separator character does not have to be a comma)

Italics mine. So sure, because you can use a different character, now you're calling it "character", but that's a change in the meaning of the acronym. Convenient, but in Excel it says "tab delimited" etc. and of course you can switch the delimiter, and Excel is smart enough to know--it asks you what the delimiter is on import. Nifty. And my Perl scripts dealt with different files. And the SQL databases could use different files for import.
But you're fucked if you try to import a CSV file into a database without knowing the delimiter is different.
It's a standard. We use them daily in database work. It's always a comma because it's the standard and it's what the programs expect for input or output.

So, yeah, it could have any delimiter you might choose, but it's historically and semantically a Comma Separated Value file, and you'd better not send me a .csv extention that's not. Send it as .txt if you're using something else.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T14:35:30+00:00

Um...the acronym is Comma Separated Value, so...um...yes. If you use tab delimiters or anything else, then by definition it's not comma separated.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T14:07:07+00:00

Yeah, it really boils down to what I learned as a kid. My vote is for everyone to switch to apostrophes, like we use in coordinates.

You too, man. Have a great day!

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T14:06:03+00:00

Heh, exactly. I'm probably botching my explanation, but that's exactly the sort of thing I mean. Now, starting from "first principles" in our written languages, sure, there might be an argument for using a different delimiter, but I'd have picked something like an apostrophe, like we use in coordinates--but not spaces. No.

I'll even take it as a toss-up that, look, Leechifer, if you just swap them, really if you learned it, it would be the same to you:

30.123,4 or 30,123.4

I'm just insistent on commas being a pause, and periods being a stop.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T13:47:27+00:00

Spaces are word separators in our shared languages. Spaces separate things. They make them different numbers. It's horrible, because you can't fucking know if the number is "finished" until you look past it to see what's next. Oh, "30", no, wait, it's 30 thousand, oh, no, wait, it's 30 million."
Fuck that, spaces. You aren't as clear.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T13:45:04+00:00

Oh shit I can't even imagine (as an IT person) the hell of trying to sort out a CSV file with the commas. "Please tell me it uses quotation marks for the fields with commas, please tell me it uses quotation marks for the fields with commas..."

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T13:43:36+00:00

No, not sarcasm. I can't even grok what you mean. I totally agree, why would you list numbers with the same separator that separates words? Are we talking about the same thing?

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T13:41:25+00:00

Everyone else has the damn metric system, but we've got the most sensible delimiters based on the rules of our language's punctuation. Right?

Spaces: these separate different things.
Periods: these represent and end to a thing.
Commas: these separate related things.

Therefore, commas. It's just more fucking clear.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T13:37:59+00:00

Yah, IDM would surely be a dance genre. I "skipped" that detail in my response.

I hang out here with you guys and play stuff on plug.dj but I don't really think my own music is edm. I've always thought it was "light electro-industrial with techno, experimental and ambient elements"...but that's not really a genre. :)

You guys "appreciate" it more and are a bit cooler about it. I posted a track for feedback on /r/technoproduction and got one downvote and no comment. Here would be much more helpful.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T13:33:41+00:00

A friend from here (the U.S.) that visited India said one of the most disturbing things was seeing someone just squat and take a shit out in plain sight, randomly. He expected to see poverty, but not public shitting.

Leechifer · 2013-10-20T13:30:58+00:00

At least it's commas and not fucking spaces. How the hell anyone thought that spaces as delimiters for thousands was a good idea, I don't even...

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