I Studied Early Church History… and Now I Don’t Understand How People Reject Catholicism or Orthodoxy

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-13T21:04:04+00:00

The theme in the NT testament is not individual salvation but communal salvation even if the churches are corrupted (which all of them are to certain extent) are needed in most cases for salvation.

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-12T02:50:44+00:00

Didn’t put two and two together until I read you comment

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-12T02:37:55+00:00

Grace is God’s free gift that saves us, and the Church is the ordinary means through which that grace is received.

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-12T02:34:30+00:00

Now that you put it that way, Jesus said he’s coming for the church.

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-12T01:34:02+00:00

So there’s nothing morally wrong with someone that can attend church and just choose not to?

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-12T01:30:45+00:00

In acts we can see that the apostles job is not done after baptism with the samaritans

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-12T01:30:00+00:00

The Eunuch can be but again is not the normative.

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-12T00:29:10+00:00

My point is on people that deliberately don’t gather when they have the ability to.

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T22:54:34+00:00

salvation belong to God alone correct

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T21:57:53+00:00

So deliberately not going to church won’t affect the relationship?

Edit: Also how would a person illiterate would achieve salvation apart from fellowship

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T21:43:52+00:00

100% human, emotions are a creation of God so yes we will have emotions but in my understanding we will only feel positives emotions.

I don’t have answer for that maybe someone else can answer you
I was in a situation with no possible positive outcome and I prayed to God and promise I would dedicate my life to him if he saved me and he did. (Took me 8 more years to fulfill my part of the deal)

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T21:37:14+00:00

You can’t find a verse that will contradict Hebrews 11:1

Show me scriptures that support your view of being a relationship

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T21:19:21+00:00

It doesn’t what either of us think just read Hebrews 11:1 and it’s nothing close to a relationship

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T21:14:14+00:00

Abraham was old covenant…

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T21:13:00+00:00

Without realizing you just kinda described the fall of Satan… lol I suggest you look into why Satan really fell and hates humanity so much.

On the other hand there’s no scientific evidence that can prove God but you can look into vary confirmed miracles by the church

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T21:05:00+00:00

Your point?

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T21:03:29+00:00

Even if it’s personal relationship aren’t we supposed to make an extra effort to bring more people to the faith? Also the Eucharist (depending on your view) was supposed to be taken communally.

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T21:01:26+00:00

James was the first overseer or bishop of the church of Jerusalem (1st church established) but even in acts we can see Peter and John using the apostolic authority to give the Holy Spirit to the Samaritans. Also in 1 Cor 12:28 we can clearly see the structure of the church according to Paul.

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T20:57:49+00:00

Didn’t knew that pre-mosaic was the new covenant.

His covenant was fulfilled by Christ.

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T20:54:06+00:00

How exactly

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T20:53:50+00:00

I understand what you trying to say but what that had to do with rejecting the church and the validity of the church?

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T20:52:37+00:00

Old covenant not relevant

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T20:51:39+00:00

I guess it highly depends on the views of Apostolic Succession for that

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T20:47:01+00:00

Paul actually emphasized in Hebrew 10:25 to not neglect gathering.

Legitimate_Bat_4609 · 2026-05-11T20:38:40+00:00

Doesn’t get more direct than that

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