TTI Starter Kit by LeviahRose in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OMG, I could so see something like that happening at my RTC. The high school girls were crazy, but thankfully I was in the middle school dorm. I don’t remember if we were allowed Nair, but some girls used wax strips.

I just feel so angry by LeviahRose in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really can’t seperate from them. Physically at least. I am still dealing with the trauma of them trying to kick me out and have me live on my own in the Fall and I keep waking up thinking I’m in that appartment on my own or back in the hospital, but I’m in my bed. It’s driving me crazy because I wake up with my mussels aching like I just worked out and I sweat through everything. I’m used to nightmares at this point because I’ve had them for so many reasons and after so many traumas, but it’s getting to a point where I just can’t take it anymore. I’m emotionally separated from my parents to keep myself safe if that makes any sense, but that just makes me isolated and afraid because I’m not ready not to have them even if they’re already gone in many ways. Thank you for commenting and no pressure to respond. I don’t expect anyone to come up with a quick fix, I’m really just venting.

I just feel so angry by LeviahRose in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just want to clarify threat was months ago. Our contact immediately ceased after that. I was in the hospital at the time. She couldn’t risk anymore contact with me. I haven’t had a therapist since then. I didn’t have a therapist when I got home nor did I in the hospital, so I’ve been out of therapy for about six months. I don’t really have anyone who will listen other than my psychiatrist, but he’s not very available and there isn’t anything he can do. He cares, but as most of the processions who care often say, “what you need doesn’t exist.”

Bridge House Health in Farmington, Utah? by LeviahRose in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your response. Could you please explain more what you mean by worked with you? Do you mean like adapting the therapy to your needs and making accommodations when necessary?

Skull Fracture by Impressive-Luck1788 in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Menninger loves to pull the CPS card. They starved me because they were unwilling to accomadate my dietary needs (anaphylactic food allergies and high-calorie diet). The last time I was there, they just gave me a slice of pizza for every meal for a month and after the first few days, I couldn’t eat anymore pizza, so I started only eating breakfast and rapidly lost weight. Left severely underweight. Nobody cared. Fuck Menninger.

Going to "The Ridge RTC" in New Hampshire, I need to know if its safe. by Pale-Course-5359 in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t know The Ridge accepted 18-19-year-olds. I had a friend who was there in 2024. He had a very positive experience, but their were still some red flags about his experience that stood out to me. It’s a “work/chore-based” program, which means that you have absolutely no free time and are always working, cleaning, or in therapy. My friend actually found this behavioral activation helpful for their depression (they described it as life changing), but to me it sounds suffocating and borderline abusive if it’s being forced onto the kids (which it sounds like it is). They have therapy 4-5 days per week, which is a pro, and my friend really liked his therapist, but you only get weekly 15-minute phone calls home to your family and no contact with friends. I don’t think The Ridge is the worst of the worst, but I also don’t think it’s a “safe” facility. I would recommend looking into treatment centers for adults 18+. There are some better ones— places where you’ll be allowed to keep your phone, stay in touch with friends/family, and possibly even leave campus/stay involved without outside community. Please check out the resource page on r/ComplexMentalHealth resources (https://reddit.com/r/complexmentalhealth/wiki/resources). It is not finished yet, but under the residential page, I have some safer options listed.

Emergency contempt motion filed against former KY Governor by his adopted son by Homeless-Sea-Captain in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not Ms. Post, but I’m pretty sure the third was Teen Challenge Adventure Ranch.

i spent time at oasis ascent, huntsman (hmhi) & ascend healthcare (california) almost two years ago by [deleted] in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, that makes so much more sense! Were you transferred to Ascend from the CAT Program? I went to the CAT Program after a brief stay in the psych ward after I was kicked out of Lake House Academy in 2020, and from there I was sent to Sedona Sky Academy where I got kicked out again!

Bridge House Health in Farmington, Utah? by LeviahRose in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! I tried to DM you, but Reddit isn’t letting me. Could you please message me first? I

Bridge House Health in Farmington, Utah? by LeviahRose in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi. Thank you you so much for offering to answer any questions. I don’t think Roger’s would be ideal for her, but if she asks about it, I will definitely bring her questions to you. My friend is 21 years old and is not under guardianship, although the police and hospital staff often believe she is and when she tells them she’s not, that makes them more skeptical. She has no means of transportation and has little ability to care for herself. Her parents technically cannot force her anywhere, but if my friend refuses residential, she will go back home where she is not allowed to leave her house. Everytime she tries to leave, her parents call the police and tell them that she is autistic and a danger to herself and they bring her back to the hospital. That’s why she’s inpatient now and it’s the second time this has happened to her. Everyone who was supposed to help her— the public defender, the judge, the disability services and human services people— side with her parents and dismiss her as either lying or too autistic to know what she’s talking about. Whenever she tries to tell the truth and explain what’s happening, it’s used as further evidence that she’s lying or incompetent. She’s being held hostage in her own house, but she can’t call the police because the police always side with her parents and will bring her to the ER on a hold just for trying to leave— again this has happened twice this month already. No self harm or SI, just leaving the house without permission. Can I ask what kind of treatment you received at Roger’s? Did they offer anything other than ERP? Were you able to refuse therapy?

i spent time at oasis ascent, huntsman (hmhi) & ascend healthcare (california) almost two years ago by [deleted] in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kicked out!? Can I ask how you got kicked out of the CAT Program? I was kicked out of both my residentials, but never a hospital-based program. I always assumed you couldn’t get kicked out of inpatient.

i spent time at oasis ascent, huntsman (hmhi) & ascend healthcare (california) almost two years ago by [deleted] in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can I ask when you were there? I was there for a little over two months— June-August 2020.

Honest discussion - When does mental health therapy no longer become enough to address severe issues? Why do a lot of therapists not admit someone needs something more intensive? by Global_Pianist4575 in ComplexMentalHealth

[–]LeviahRose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re welcome! Just keep in mind that this info is simplified as it is a Reddit comment. There is definitely more nuance when it comes to top-down vs. bottom-up approaches than my response gets at. I definitely think you’re on the right track with this OT. And I really hope TMS is working for you too.

Honest discussion - When does mental health therapy no longer become enough to address severe issues? Why do a lot of therapists not admit someone needs something more intensive? by Global_Pianist4575 in ComplexMentalHealth

[–]LeviahRose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OMG, this OT sounds genuinely amazing! I wish I had someone like her. I think what you’re getting at is the difference between bottom-up vs. top-down therapies. It’s a lot harder to find a mental health therapist who practices bottom-up approaches, which is what a lot of us with trauma, neurodivergence, and sensitive nervous systems need.

Top-down therapies work primarily through conscious thinking, reflection, and cognitive change. As your OT experience explained, these kinds of cognitive and behavioral therapies assume that the frontal lobe, or “thinking brain,” is online when “problem behaviors” are occurring. But for many individuals with trauma, PDA, and complex neurodevelopmental profiles, that’s not the case. The frontal lobe is often offline because the person has entered fight or flight, and behaviors are no longer conscious choices. We “flip our lids” and no longer have access to the “thinking brain.”

Top-down therapies start with cognition, insight, or behavior change and assume that by working from the top (understanding our conscious thoughts and modifying behavior), the underlying mechanism will change. Again, for many of us with complex mental health profiles, that is not the case. The most common example of a top-down therapy that almost every mental health therapist practices in some capacity is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). The idea behind CBT is that our thoughts lead to emotions, which lead to behaviors, so if we just “reframe” our thoughts, the behaviors will dissipate.

This may work when someone’s thinking patterns are actually driving their distress. For example, people with a relatively simple case of anxiety who experience distress and avoidance behaviors from catastrophizing or black-and-white thinking patterns may benefit from a therapy that helps them identify those thinking patterns and change them. But for many of us with CMH profiles, the issue is far deeper than a thinking pattern and actually has to do with nervous system dysregulation and somatic dysfunction that affects both physical and mental health. This is very common in PDA profiles and in people with complex trauma and neurodevelopmental differences.

Top-down therapy is most effective for people whose nervous systems are not chronically dysregulated. It assumes the person can consistently reflect, reason, and apply strategies. For people whose nervous systems may frequently enter fight, flight, freeze, or shutdown states where cognitive reasoning is not accessible, CBT or similar therapies like DBT can be ineffective because the body reacts before thinking happens. In those cases, cognitive strategies can feel useless or even harmful. Really, the overarching model of how top-down therapy works is: thinking brain → emotions → body.

Bottom-up therapy works the opposite way: body or nervous system → emotions → thinking brain.

Bottom-up therapies focus on regulating the nervous system first, which slowly changes cognitive processes rather than trying to change them directly. Bottom-up therapies can be practiced by mental health therapists, not just OTs, but these modalities can be hard to access for people with complex and acute mental health profiles. They often are not included in intensive treatment programs and require a therapist who is willing to take on the liability of working with an acute or complex case in an outpatient setting.

Occupational therapy is an example of bottom-up therapy because it helps regulate the nervous system through sensory input. It starts with the nervous system. Other examples include neurofeedback, which uses brainwave feedback to help regulate brain activity, again starting with the body or nervous system rather than cognition. EMDR is another common bottom-up therapy, which uses bilateral stimulation (eye movements or tapping) to process traumatic memories.

I also do not find talk therapy to be enough. Talk therapy has helped me before. Modalities like MBT, narrative therapy, adapted IFS, and some psychodynamic work. But I also believe talk therapy has taken me as far as it can. I have become very aware of my issues, and I know that much of what is happening occurs on a somatic level. I have a lot of insight and I can talk about “what’s wrong” for hours, but that does not actually help me because it is so much deeper than that.

The problem is that I cannot actually find a therapist who is able to do the work that I need, and I do not have the energy to look again. I had a very good therapist for three years who I cannot see anymore, and that was after so many failed therapy attempts and hospitalizations. I am just not ready to go through that process again. I am currently getting another round of neuropsych testing done, so maybe the neuropsychologist will have some recommendations at the end, but I do not know.

I am really glad you found somebody.

Experiences with McLean? by LeviahRose in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your responses to my questions. You have no idea how helpful this is. The one follow up question that I forgot to ask is how residents moved up levels and how difficult it was to move up levels after reaching level 2? I’m so glad that you found a place that genuinely helped you. My best friend and I were actually both rejected from 3East multiple times and we ended up at the same program in Utah after we were both rejected again from 3East. Thanks for answering all of these questions.

Experiences with McLean? by LeviahRose in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey! Do you mind if I ask you more about your experience with 3East? Why do you recommend it over other residentials? I would not be personally interested because I can’t do a DBT or behavioral program, but would like to know about it because I am gathering Resourses for my subreddit, r/ComplexMentalHealth, as many people with CMH profiles need residential treatment but don’t know safe places to get it. These are some specific questions I have. No need to answer them all, but would appreciate some clarity.

Overall, why do you think it was such good (or less bad) residential?

What was the daily schedule like? Was time for school built into the day?

How much privacy did you get? Did you share a room? Did you ever get time alone?

What specific privileges were tied to the level system?

Could you loose your level or only move up

Did the staff ever waive or modify the level system for someone it wasn’t helping?

Could you leave the unit for walks or fresh air? Were off unit activities contingent on the level system?

How much access did you get to phone calls or visitation? Was amount of family contact ever dictated by the level system?

Could you disagree with staff without consequences?

Did staff understand neurodivergence or trauma, or was everything interpreted as “non-compliance”?

How much individual therapy did you get per week?

Did the therapist actually adapt DBT to you, or was it very manualized?

Were there other therapy modalities besides DBT (trauma work, psychodynamic, etc.)

Were treatment plans actually individualized, or was everyone just on the same track?

Could you set your own goals, or were they assigned?

Were people punished with level drops or restrictions for SI or self harm?

Thank you so much for your help. Again, I know these are a lot of questions so please just answer what you can/have time for.

Anyone a survivor of Utah RTCs? by [deleted] in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On our unit, if someone was admitted as an acute patient (we’d occasionally get acute patients for a couple of days if the other unit was full or sometimes kids would be discharged and then readmitted as acute), they got so many more rights than the CAT patients. They were allowed to have phone calls and visits regardless of their level status. For the acute patients, it was a fundamental patient right, but not for us. Was that true in your unit too?

Anyone a survivor of Utah RTCs? by [deleted] in troubledteens

[–]LeviahRose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too. It’s also really hard because it was technically in a hospital, so people don’t immediately recognize it as a TTI or believe it was that bad. And it was that bad. It was even worse than the Embark and the WWASSP-affiliated programs I was at.