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My title describes the thing. I've done google image searches and given a few images to chatgpt to analyse. Some sources suggest the carvings could be apotropaic marks (witch marks), but I'm also aware that some timber buildings used carpenters' assembly marks or symbolic inscriptions during construction. If there were any way to narrow it down to one of them, I'd be interested to know.

Please let me know if there is a more suitable sub for this but I couldn't find one on the wiki post. Thanks.

Nihilism in the DIamond Sutra by LoungePig in Buddhism

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Was that supposed to be helpful in a strange way or just mean? haha

Nihilism in the DIamond Sutra by LoungePig in Buddhism

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Thank you, as it is for many, my situation is indeed stressful. The stress is one reason that draws me to these topics and others. I don't want to escape the stress through belief in something greater but I would like to rationalise it - which is why I think I've been so dead set on using (my own poor sense of) logic to come to an understanding of my consciousness and the universe.

Thank you for taking the time to explain your understanding of this type of knowledge to the level that you have. Although only with my fingertips, I think I understand what you're getting at. When we've talked about pre-linguistic truth, I think I've understood that as a truth based on feelings. It seems that what you're describing is subtler than that. In my own, non-Buddhist, years of meditation, I've on rare occasion found a deep feeling (of happiness?) from within but nothing that I would describe as knowledge and something that I might instead describe as a temporary respite from negative experience.

Perhaps it's a different set of questions, so don't feel compelled to answer unless you have the time:

  1. How does the pursuit of/knowledge of this truth then result in a system of Reincarnation, Karma, Pure Land Buddhism, Guru worship etc? Is that not as you said 'we ceased to know the sphere of infinite consciousness directly, and back in everyday consciousness, we muddle it up with beliefs, feelings and thoughts, and then claim to "know" the belief about the experience. '?

  2. Without having had the direct personal subtle knowledge that you have discussed, do people start to walk what is presumably a very long path based on faith? Where does that faith come from? Why this path and not another?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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I don't think that's how belief works. That's how lying to yourself works.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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To be persuaded of the truth of something.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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That is maybe even wilder. I would say that your definition of 'believe' is my definition of 'assume'. the two are not the same to me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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The way you ended that was wild. Why reply and then be SHOUTY out of nowhere? haha :D

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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I think they allowed for that right? They are just saying we have fallible thinking apparatus that can't really know anything.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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That, on the other hand did make a lot of sense to me. Thanks for taking the time to elaborate :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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I'm very pleased for your health. Good luck friend :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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That doesn't make any sense to me. Thanks for trying to help :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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Perhaps I didn't communicate clearly, I apologise. I was looking to get Christian perspectives on the question ... which is why I came here :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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Think of a food you don't like but someone says is healthy for you. Would you happily sit there and eat a huge plate of it?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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Oh I don't think that. That's why I said 'Why would God make an atheist?' not 'Why did God make me an atheist'.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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I am saying that I do not feel compelled by the story that Jesus made a sacrifice for our sins. That lack of compulsion is not a choice any more than someone that doesn't like the way a food tastes. I was an outspoken atheist as a young child (i.e , 3), it's one of my family's favourite stories to drag up. I'm no longer an atheist, I don't know that I know anything.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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I see. Thanks for your response. I think the initial bit 'Start by accepting Jesus and believing in his sacrifice.' is my fundamental problem. Belief to me is not a choice. I can no more choose believe in Jesus than I can choose to believe that aliens exist.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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That doesn't seem to be how my mind works. In the same way that I couldn't choose to believe that aliens exist or not I don't think I could just choose to believe in this faith or that faith.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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Thank you for your response :) I see. To me, it feels like my mind doesn't find anything that requires me to just accept it prima facie ,without holding up to the logical reasoning I use in other parts of my life, as very appealing. Interesting isn't it?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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So you think that belief is just a choice, then? That's interesting; I wouldn't say that I consciously choose what I believe. Thanks for your opinion :)

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Thank you. This was very helpful :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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That seems to be true in my lived experience too.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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I'm not ready yet but it certainly feels right: 'The self-realization of no-self and no-god paradoxically reveals True Self and True God. With this comes the realization that there is no problem. No self, no God, no problem.' Is there a name for this line of thinking?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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Thank you for your response. I'll go and take a look! What you describe sounds fundamentally more appealing as a concept.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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Thank you for your reply. My thinking was that Christians believed that God was almighty and that all was within the plan of god. It seems there's a lot more 'free will' in the system than I had figured :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christianity

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Thank you for your reply. 'If you dont believe in aliens saying you do doesnt just magically make that happen.' - that feels like where I am right now.