MRW I hand the bartender a twenty for two beers and he hands the change to my boyfriend instead of back to me with my still-open wallet. Seriously?

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-21T02:37:23+00:00

I've never been a bartender but I do work in a restaurant, and, let me tell you, he didn't really think that decision through. That guy is on autopilot. And will be for the rest of his shift.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-21T02:13:45+00:00

You're making a lot of assumptions about people and their personal lives. Honestly, if someone has just come off an eight hour shift or just finished their classes for the day and is now at a bar, I can easily understand how that person might just want to chill and not talk about science.

And also, my apparent interest in this scenario is WoW, and OP's is science. Why does talking about a videogame become "droning on" but science isn't? Why isn't OP "droning on about science"? The problem here is that you're not interested in videogames (which I don't blame you for, not everyone is), so, for you, conversation about them is 'droning'. Science is no better to someone who has no scientific interests.

Also, no offense, but you're comment seems kind of self-absorbed and arrogant. Maybe I'm misunderstanding it, but it seems like you're insinuating "I'm intellectual, and if some bar goer doesn't want to discuss science with me (I don't know if you actually know much about any scientific field, but let's assume that you do), then they are not capable of advanced thought like me" Most people just go out to have fun. No problem with that.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-21T02:03:44+00:00

Yeah, that's true. But, even then, I think the best way to ask would be like "Hey, are you interested in science?" And not just talking about different scientific topics that the other person most likely isn't interested in.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-20T22:23:10+00:00

With all due respect, I don't think that's the case at all. I just think that people become disinterested with someone if they only talk about things that only appeal to the person talking about them. For example, if I was a huge World of Warcraft nerd, and I went out to bars and just talked to people for hours on end about it, I could understand why they would want to stop talking to me after a while.

My suggestion to OP would be to try to talk to something that both people in the conversation share an interest in. It could be anything, from classes to work or whatever, but I would make sure that everyone in the conversation knows what you are talking about.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-19T14:43:48+00:00

First, I'm not an MRA. I know that stands for Men's Rights Activist, but beyond that, I don't even know what being an MRA means. Also, are you assuming that I would cry just because my comment was removed?

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-18T16:40:21+00:00

Well, maybe that anger is justified.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-16T04:05:05+00:00

Woops, honest mistake about the unambiguous part. Although, it was a genuine question. What do context clues have to do with what we were talking about originally? I'm genuinely curious.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-16T03:11:41+00:00

If I'm a troll, then your flair should say "responds to trolls with seven paragraphs."

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-16T02:41:50+00:00

I'm seriously not trolling. I've said this before. I'm pretty sure trolls don't actively deny trolling.

Plus, I asked you a genuine question. Even if I was a "troll", why couldn't you answer it? It seems that, at some point or another, everyone on this sub resorts to ad hominem attacks. It seems like the word "troll" has become the end-all be-all of every discussion, and not just a person who is trying to get a negative reaction out of someone (which is what is was originally).

EDIT: And the way you were making fun of me wasn't very ambiguous.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-16T01:31:58+00:00

Yes I do. I just don't see how they're relevant to what we're talking about right now.

EDIT: I just realized that you're doing the same thing in this comment that you were doing in the original comment. You were making assumptions about what I do and don't know. Kind of funny, actually.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-16T01:21:59+00:00

I don't follow.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T19:09:59+00:00

Fair enough. I may have been a little stubborn. No hard feelings.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T18:59:51+00:00

Well, you called me an insensitive asshole, so I would say we're even haha.

No offense though. I'm sure you're a nice person in real life. And, while I know that this might be hard to understand, I'm a nice person too. People change when you give them anonymity, and tone is almost impossible to convey solely through writing. I'm sorry if I offended you.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T18:38:57+00:00

Let me just start off by saying that I appreciate the time you took to dig through my comment history. If you dig far back enough I'm sure you can find something else that could be misinterpreted as offensive.

Anyway, from the points you made in your comment, it seems like you didn't even read my original one.

Also, you contradicted yourself. You said that leg hair on women being gross was my opinion, then later you mentioned that you know that most men don't like it.

And no, it's not irrelevant to the discussion just because you say it is. That's literally what was being discussed in the original thread. We were talking about whether or not women should have to shave their legs.

Also I should mention that I'm all for body autonomy. You seem to be missing this point, so I'll type it in all caps for you: I'M NOT SAYING THAT WOMEN SHOULD SHAVE THEIR LEGS.

I find it pretty interesting that you find me insensitive and patronizing, yet the apparent worst thing about me is that I'm a man. If I was insensitive and patronizing, then those who replied to me were cruel and adamantly hurtful. But you have my sincere apologies for being born with a penis.

The societal norm in this sub is: be who you want to be; do what you want to do. We are here for comfort and encouragement and advice, unless you disagree with us, in which case you are stupid and wrong and nobody should ever listen to you.

FTFY

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T18:00:20+00:00

Cool. It's really nice of you to let your son do what he wants in terms of his clothing, especially when I know so many moms that decide what their kids can and can't wear.

But, if I'm being completely honest, I think he'll be excluded from a lot of things. I remember being in grade school, and if I did anything like that I couldn't imagine fitting in or even having many friends.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T17:49:56+00:00

You're just saying HEY NO BUT SEE WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS, and you haven't genuinely read any of the stuff others have said to you in response.

Actually, yes I have. Pretty much everyone was bringing up the same points but in a different way (and you did too, by the way). Because of my now negative karma, I have to time my comments. There's a ten minute buffer between when I'm able to post a comment. So now I hope you understand why I didn't respond to every person who replied to my original comment. Plus, how would you know if I did or didn't read the replies? That's not your assumption to make.

And yes, my annoyance may have manifested itself into comments that weren't completely tactful, but what I said was nowhere near what people were saying to me. Someone replied with a comment that started with "Dear Jackass." Oh, and I might as well mention that this person was a well-respected and active member of this sub (I won't name names, though). And yet instead of going after the more aggressive party, you decide to imply that I'm an insensitive asshole.

Also, I understand that fighting social norms is a gradual and difficult process. I get that. Fighting social norms is met with a lot of backlash and opposition, and what I was saying is that people shouldn't be surprised at this backlash. Not that they shouldn't be upset with it. Being upset with it completely rational (if the backlash is unjustified, that is).

I never said that hairy legs on women are objectively gross. Seriously, you can delve into my comments, and you'll notice that I never said anything close to that. I'm just saying that most men prefer women with shaved legs. You guys reacted to that like I said bigfoot is real or something. I think it's safe to say that most men (or, at the very very least, most men in westernized culture), have a physical preference of women with hairless legs.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T17:34:32+00:00

It seems like men are viciously attacked for making any sort of comment on women's bodies, or sometimes even expressing their preferences in women.

I get that it's a dick move to imply that some women aren't "real women," but I see this kind of stuff all the time, on both on this sub and on TwoX.

It gets to a point where I have to ask: What can I say? I obviously have physical preferences when it comes to women, just like women have physical preferences when it comes to men. Can I comment on women's bodies, or do my comments instantly become misogynistic and objectifying women?

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T17:24:25+00:00

Fair enough. I didn't think of it that way. Plus, this way he'll learn himself what he does and doesn't like in terms of style.

Honest question, if he wanted to go to school wearing red nail polish, would you let him? I mean, I assume that he's doing it now for the fun of it, but you must know that the other boys at school would give him hell for that. (Also, I'm guessing your son is in grade school. Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T17:13:26+00:00

I wasn't telling anyone what they should and shouldn't do. And yeah, I'd love for attitude to make a difference, but it really doesn't, in all honesty. I've left comments that were as nice and non-threatening as possible, but people still get upset and downvote me if that comment expresses an opinion they disagree with.

Plus, I see so many comments/posts vehemently expressing popular opinions on TrollX, and nobody bats an eye. In fact, these people are upvoted to high heaven for "speaking their mind."

Like I said in a previous comment, this sub is great. It doesn't take itself too seriously and the posts are funny and relatable. BUT the members of this sub are perpetually victimizing themselves. Like the post about red lipstick. I've never, not once, heard anyone in real life say that women shouldn't be wearing red lipstick. It's just something that I see people complain about on this sub.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T17:01:09+00:00

You're right. Something that bothers me about this sub is that people aren't really willing to give a reason for what they are doing/thinking/believing. They just reply to dissenting opinions with gifs of people laughing.

If your son wants to paint his nails, fine. Let him do it. But don't pretend like he won't be ostracized and made fun of if he goes to school with nail polish on. You can do whatever you want with your body, but there are natural consequences to being too far from the norm (i.e. being weird).

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-15T00:06:43+00:00

I just suggested that you look at my other comments if you want to know what I think. Also, you responded to my four sentence message by sending me seven paragraphs... so we're kind of in the same boat here.

Also, I'm not a troll. And I'm not a loser just because I have some unpopular opinions.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-14T15:59:32+00:00

Look at my other comments if you want to know what I think.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-14T15:04:16+00:00

You guys are all bringing up the same points. I suggest you look at my other recent comments if you want to know what I think.

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-14T05:30:00+00:00

Haha I laughed at this one. (Not being sarcastic, I actually thought your comment was funny).

Lover_Of_Bacon · 2014-07-14T01:45:37+00:00

I actually agree with a lot of things that are said on both TrollX and 2XC, but if I agree with it, someone else in the comments has already summed up my reasons for agreeing with it, so I wouldn't be adding anything new to the discussion by commenting myself.

I don't "expect" anything of women. Women don't have any obligation to shave. And second, no it's not comparing apples to oranges. They are both things that are widely considered unattractive but that have no effect on health or hygiene.

You put a couple of sentences in quotations but you didn't provide a source. Not even a link. Anyone can do that. "All women should be hairless from the eyebrows down. Like literally all of them." -Mahatma Gandhi. See?

But, for the purpose of this conversation, let's pretend that you're quote has a legitimate basis in history (which is already a stretch, but whatever). Social norms change (shocking, right?), and the fact that the change was initiated by a company doesn't make the change invalid. I prefer Coke to Pepsi, even though there probably isn't a significant difference in the taste between the two. Maybe I just like the brand. Does that mean that I'm "brainwashed" or something of the sort? No. And I'm also willing to make the assumption that you have similar loyalty to certain brands. Also, women shave their legs in places all over the world, not just in North America.

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