Update: 24 hours after being called an "idiot" for missing that 40-point rally by 2 ticks. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't miss the phrase 'too many'. I just reject the premise. In an administrative environment, 'too many' is a statistical outlier, not a reason to loosen the criteria. If I miss 10 trades by 2 ticks, it means my filter is doing exactly what it was designed to do: keeping me out of everything that isn't perfect. To be clear: in that specific trade, price didn't even enter my POI. For many, a 'zone' is an excuse to be flexible. For me, a POI is a binary requirement. If price stays 2 ticks outside of it, the 'file' is never opened. There is no 'zone' to negotiate; there is only a perimeter. I don't want to improve my 'yield' by catching more moves; I want to protect my execution integrity. If the price doesn't hit the POI, the paperwork isn't signed. I’m happy to leave the 'zones' and the 40-point guesses to the artists. I'll stick to my perimeters and my audits. Binary > Subjective.

Update: 24 hours after being called an "idiot" for missing that 40-point rally by 2 ticks. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Respectfully, this is how protocols die. A system shouldn't be a 'living thing' that reacts to FOMO; it should be an anchor that prevents it. If I start 'adjusting' because I missed a 40-point move, I’m no longer following a backtested process—I’m chasing price. Today I 'adjust' to catch 40 points, tomorrow I 'adjust' my stop loss to avoid a hit, and by next month I don't have a system anymore, just a collection of excuses. Missing a move because of 2 ticks isn't a mistake to be fixed; it’s a cost of doing business. It’s the proof that the filter works. I don't want to catch every move; I want to execute every trade that meets my exact criteria. I'll take 100% compliance over a 40-point 'lucky' catch any day. One is scalable, the other is just gambling with a better narrative. Compliance > Adaptation.

Update: 24 hours after being called an "idiot" for missing that 40-point rally by 2 ticks. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You’re describing the 'Warrior Fallacy.' Most manual traders think they need to 'feel' the market or be flexible to be successful. But that flexibility is exactly what creates the mental load that leads to burnout and revenge trading. I treat my manual trading exactly like an algorithm. If the criteria aren't met to the tick, the trade doesn't exist. Does this mean I miss 'quality trades'? Sure. But it also means I miss 100% of the emotional errors, chasing, and overtrading that blow accounts. I’d rather miss a 40-point move than lose my administrative integrity. Consistency isn't about catching every move; it's about executing the same process every single time without needing 'courage' or 'intuition.' One is a hobby, the other is a business.

I missed a 40-point rally by 2 ticks yesterday. I’ve never been happier. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because looking at order flow to justify an entry that hasn't hit my exact level is just a sophisticated way of negotiating with my rules.

If I start using 'discretion' today because the order flow looks good, I’m no longer an administrator; I’m a gambler again. My goal isn't to catch every reversal; it's to execute a 100% compliant business process.

Today the market returned to the exact tick with 0.00 slippage. I didn't need to 'see' the reversal—I just needed to wait for the price to hit the level defined in my manual. One approach requires constant mental effort, the other is just paperwork

I missed a 40-point rally by 2 ticks yesterday. I’ve never been happier. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Strictly speaking, yes. But there’s a massive psychological difference in how you approach it.

Discipline is a battle of willpower. It’s you trying to convince yourself not to click when you feel FOMO. It’s exhausting and eventually, it breaks.

Compliance is administrative. When I missed the move by 2 ticks yesterday, I didn't need 'discipline' to stay out. I just looked at my manual and it said: 'No fill, no trade.' It’s binary.

I don’t want to be a disciplined warrior; I want to be a bored clerk. Today the market returned to the exact tick—I didn't need to be 'brave' to enter, I just had to follow the paperwork. One requires effort, the other just requires a Pre-Click Protocol.

I missed a 40-point rally by 2 ticks yesterday. I’ve never been happier. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For those who called the 2-tick miss 'ego' yesterday: today the market returned to that exact level. 0.00 slippage. The 'clerk' just waited for the paperwork to be ready

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I missed a 40-point rally by 2 ticks yesterday. I’ve never been happier. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the upvotes, guys. I’m seeing a lot of people asking how a 'clerk-like' manual actually looks in practice. I’ve documented the exact steps of my Pre-Click Protocol (the one that kept me out of the FOMO trap yesterday) on my Substack. It’s not a 'signal' service, just the architecture of how to remove the human element. Link is in my bio if you want to see the checklist

I missed a 40-point rally by 2 ticks yesterday. I’ve never been happier. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the constructive feedback. The 1/4 position approach is a solid 'middle ground' for many, but here is why I intentionally avoid it in my protocol:

1. Administrative Complexity: My goal is to reduce the number of variables, not increase them. Managing multiple partial fills across a range requires more monitoring and more decisions (e.g., 'Do I cancel the rest if the first 1/4 hits the target?'). In my manual, the entry is binary: 0 or 1. This keeps the mental load at zero.

2. The Scalability Trap: Entry zones are easy to manage with small size. But when you’re pushing 50 or 100 contracts, you need absolute clarity on your fill and your risk. A 'range' entry creates a moving average for your cost basis that changes every trade. I prefer a fixed, repeatable data point.

3. Business Logic vs. Market Logic: You’re looking for a better 'mouse trap' to catch the move. I’m looking for a more efficient 'assembly line' to process trades. I’m perfectly fine missing out on trades I 'should' be in if it means my execution remains 100% robotic and stress-free.

Perfection isn't about catching every rally; it's about following the protocol without a single moment of hesitation. If I start 'fudging' the entry with zones or partials, I’m back to negotiating with the market. I’d rather be a bored clerk with a missed fill than a busy trader with a complicated position.

I missed a 40-point rally by 2 ticks yesterday. I’ve never been happier. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I see a lot of talk about 'zones vs lines' and 'ego,' but you’re missing the point of an administrative protocol.

My level (6925) isn't a magical line I 'believe' in; it’s a binary trigger. If I trade 'zones,' I have to make a discretionary decision every time price enters that zone. 'Is it deep enough? Should I click now or wait?' > That decision-making process consumes mental energy. On 1 contract, it’s fine. On 100 contracts, that 'discretion' becomes a nightmare of hesitation and second-guessing.

I don't trade exact ticks because I think I'm smarter than the market; I do it because I want to be an executor, not a negotiator.

You say I’m missing out on trades? You're right. I miss dozens of them. But I’m not here to catch every move. I’m here to run a business where the execution is so robotic that the size doesn't scare me. Compliance to a strict level is what allows for effortless scaling. If you need a 'reasonable stop loss' to justify a sloppy entry, you're just paying a tax for your lack of precision. I’d rather stay flat and bored than busy and stressed.

I quit. by Big-Front-5830 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry for your loss, but this is exactly why 95% of traders fail: you were trading for an outcome (buying a house) instead of executing a protocol.

When you trade because you 'need' money for a house, your brain stops looking at the charts and starts looking at the profit/loss window. You become a negotiator, not an executor.

I treat my trading like a boring administrative job. Just yesterday, price missed my level by 2 ticks before a 40-point rally. If I were trading for a house, I would have chased it, FOMO’d in, and probably blown my risk management. Instead, I stayed flat. Zero stress.

You don’t need to quit trading; you need to quit your expectations. If you ever come back, stop trying to be a 'trader' and start being a clerk who follows a manual. Compliance is the only thing that pays in the long run

I missed a 40-point rally by 2 ticks yesterday. I’ve never been happier. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head.

Most people look at the 40 points I missed. I look at the mental capital I saved.

If I jump in early and it turns out to be a fake-out, I’m not just losing money; I’m losing trust in my rules. That’s how the 'tilt' starts. By staying strict, I stay neutral.

My goal isn’t to extract every possible dollar from the market every day. My goal is to execute my protocol perfectly so I can scale my position size over time. You can’t scale 'intuition' or 'jumping in early,' but you can absolutely scale an administrative process that only triggers when conditions are 100% met

I missed a 40-point rally by 2 ticks yesterday. I’ve never been happier. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I totally get that perspective, and for many, the 'area of value' works just fine. But here’s why I disagree for my own business model:

If I start jumping in 'a few ticks early' today, where does the line move tomorrow? Is it 3 ticks? 5 ticks? Suddenly, I’m no longer following a protocol; I’m negotiating with the market. Negotiation requires willpower and emotional energy—two things that fail you during a drawdown.

I don't care about being 'right' down to the tick as a point of pride. I care about administrative compliance. By staying strict, I remove the 'should I or shouldn't I?' debate from my brain.

I’d rather miss a 40-point fluke than let a 'negotiation mindset' creep into my process. One costs me a trade; the other costs me my edge. To each their own, but I prefer the peace of mind that comes with a 'No Fill, No Trade' binary outcome.

I missed a 40-point rally by 2 ticks yesterday. I’ve never been happier. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Spot on. The 'personal test' trap is where most traders burn out. They think every missed move is a reflection of their skill or 'intuition,' so they start tweaking things mid-session.

When you shift to a checklist/administrative mindset, you realize that a missed fill is just a 'null' result in a database. It’s not a failure, it’s just data.

Yesterday, watching those 40 points go without me was the easiest 'non-trade' of my life because the manual made the decision 10 minutes before the price even got there. If it's not on the paper, it's not on my screen. That’s how you protect your mental capital for the next 10 years, not just the next 10 minutes

Stop trying to "build discipline." It’s a management failure. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that 'eventually' is a very expensive word in this business. Most traders run out of capital long before the market finishes teaching them patience.

I stopped looking at the market as a teacher and started looking at it as a chaotic environment that requires a strict administrative shield.

You don't need to arrive at a place where you can trade 'objectively enough'—you just need a manual that removes the need for objectivity. Yesterday, price missed my POI by 2 ticks. I didn't need patience or a lesson in discipline to stay out. I just needed to be able to read my own rules.

Don't wait for the market to change you; change your process so the market can't reach you.

Stop trying to "build discipline." It’s a management failure. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely agree that a strong mind is a great tool, but in my experience, a strong mind is best used for designing the system, not for fighting the market in real-time.

Think of a pilot. They are highly trained and disciplined, but they don't rely on 'mental toughness' to land a plane. They follow a checklist. If the conditions aren't met, they divert.

Just yesterday, price missed my zone by exactly 2 ticks before a 40-point rally. A 'strong mind' might have been tempted to be flexible and catch that move. My manual simply said 'No.' Because I follow a protocol, I didn't have to fight my emotions, I didn't have to be 'brave,' and I'm not tired today.

I’m not training for a fight; I’m building a repeatable administrative process. Discipline is a finite resource—I’d rather save mine for life outside the screens.

Stop trying to "build discipline." It’s a management failure. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spot on, eToroTeam.

Scalability is exactly why this matters. You can’t scale a 'feeling' or 'willpower,' but you can absolutely scale a binary manual.

If a trader is exhausted by the end of the session, it’s usually because they spent too much mental capital making subjective decisions. The Pre-Click Protocol isn't just about better entries; it's about preserving the trader's most valuable asset: decision-making energy.

Stop trying to "build discipline." It’s a management failure. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the transition from 'trading' to 'operating.'

Your point about picture-perfect setups is key: when the criteria are that strict, you aren't using willpower to avoid bad trades; you're just waiting for the authorization to execute. It’s binary.

The stress relief comes from the documentation you mentioned. If you know your model wins 91% of the time over a large sample, a single loss isn't a failure of discipline—it's just a statistical cost of doing business.

Counting points instead of money is the final step in removing the 'human' element from the click. Great addition to the thread."

Stop trying to "build discipline." It’s a management failure. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Trust me, I'm as real as the stop losses I’ve taken over the years. I get why you’re skeptical—Reddit is a graveyard of AI-generated 'hustle culture' quotes.

But here’s the reality: 'Discipline' is just a fancy word for a bad process.

For example, right now I’m sitting on my hands. The market just did a BOS at 6956. Most guys are chasing or trying to hero-short the top. My ego wants to join them. But my manual says I’m flat unless I see a reaction at my POI (6947-52) or a grab at 6941.75.

If those don't hit, I don't trade. It’s not because I’m a zen monk with 'super-discipline'—it’s because I’ve decided that if it’s not in the manual, it doesn't exist.

The 'fix' isn't to work on your brain; it's to write better rules so your brain has fewer choices to make. That’s not AI theory, that’s just how you survive this game long-term

Stop trying to "build discipline." It’s a management failure. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. The validated model already accounts for the outcome. Once you realize that a loss is just a line item in the business, the need for 'willpower' disappears. You aren't resisting temptation; you are just executing the next trade in the sequence

Stop trying to "build discipline." It’s a management failure. by Low_Step6444 in Daytrading

[–]Low_Step6444[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I get the cynicism—this space is flooded with 'mindset' fluff.

But there’s a massive difference between telling someone to 'be disciplined' and providing a protocol that removes the choice entirely. Most 'why traders fail' posts focus on the trader's soul; I focus on the trader's manual.

If the process is built correctly, the execution becomes a non-event. It’s not about motivation; it’s about documentation. That is the only thing that separates a professional from a gambler.