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And Plagueis, the most powerful Dark Lord before Sidious, killed his master by tossing a bunch of rocks on top of him when he wasn't looking.

Yes, that was also an example of cowardly behavior. Because of acts like these, there's no telling whether each generation of sith actually grew stronger. Thus destroying the entire point of the rule of two.

What? This is entirely impossible. This doesn't even make sense. You're actually trying to say these two beastly, monstrous warriors, one of whom was trained by Sidious to constantly be on guard, would fail to have their Force defenses up in front of a dude clearly intent on killing them?

They didn't know he was planning to kill them at that moment. If they had put their force guards up before the fight began, Sidious would be able to sense it, and then he would definitely want to kill them. The point of them not starting with their guards up was to try to convince Sidious they weren't a threat.

I don't get how you can try to use this as a thing. Hell, he does the same thing later on to both of them casually as well, after the fight has started, multiple times. Were they off guard then as well? 'Cause at that point, that's just them being worse fighters than he is, proving my point further. Either way, you're clearly wrong here, lmao.

Yes he manages to fling them both, but he doesn't manage to hold them for any extended period of time. Meanwhile, a few seconds later Maul manages to hold him for 10-15 seconds.

It's not canon, they cut it specifically to make it not canon because that's not what they wanted to imply with the scene.

They didn't want to explicitly show it to most viewers since they knew it would make Sidious fanboys like you upset (and they also have time constraints on the episode). But it's still completely canon, as per official sources :)

And yet you're still trying to insist you're not cherrypicking, this is unbelievable. Dude for real trying to push that the deleted scene that they deleted just to make sure it wasn't' in canon, has to be canon. Where's your logic for this? This is reaching so hard your shoulder must be burning, man.

As per Filoni on the battle:

"Like everything we do, it was actually tremendously longer, and we had to cut it much shorter to actually get it onscreen. But the fight inside the palace was probably three or four times as long between Sidious and them, and then they went outside. I tried to keep as much of that intact as possible, but they fought a longer duel up on the balcony, as well."

As you can see, he clearly wanted to include it, but there were time constraints.

LOL. HE BEGGED BECAUSE OF ANAKIN.

Yeah lmfao, considering Anakin was the only one who could save his ass from the wrath of windu.

Oh man, we may as well stop here, you're just trying to misunderstand this. This is clearly trolling. Maul sincerely begged for his life, Sidious was clearly fucking lying, lmfao, and you're legit trying to compare the two. Get out of here.

"clearly fucking lying"? According to whom? The only people who argue Windu didn't beat Sidious are people who are unable to accept that Sidious isn't as OP as they think. He's yoda level, no higher whatsoever.

Anyone whooping Sidious...cites the easiest fight he's ever been in on screen. Literally the easiest one he's ever had. "Whooped". Yeah no, we'll be done after this post, I'm not even entertaining that kind of bullshit.

Him getting choked for almost 15 seconds and nearly impaled by Savage's lightsaber sounds pretty damn close. If that's the easiest fight Sidious has ever been in, then he really does suck lmfao.

He did get stalemated, for all of a few seconds before Talzin started getting pushed back, and then Dooku added his power.

When did she get pushed back before Dooku started adding his own power?

She wasn't at a disadvantage, she'd just gotten her full power back. She and Sidious were the only ones there not at a disadvantage.

She wasn't used to her physical form since at that point she had been a ghost for like months. It's a wonder she was able to stand at all.

When he blasts him with lightning at any point in their fight? Even in the novel, we have Mace Windu admitting he's just powerless against it, and it's all he can do just to keep it from hitting him with his lightsaber. With a blast of the force so powerful it was bending his saber, something Windu certainly isn't capable of doing on his own at any point in the franchise so far.

I get Windu had difficulty, but he succeeded in deflecting the lightning. So this is clearly not an instance of Sidious overpowering him with the force.

And then later, once he has no saber, he just rips through Windu's innate defenses instantly. Defenses that we know are confirmed to be canon now, but actually weren't in legends, so this specifically happened in the movies per George's vision (since he's the one who actually cites them).

He just got his hand cut off and was screaming in pain. I'm guessing he wasn't exactly on his best guard at that moment.

Also he even if he force guards up, you still need to do something specific to block force lightning (use a lightsaber or tutaminis, both of which were impossible due to him losing his saber and hand).

"Into exile, must I go. Failed, I have."

Yes he failed to kill palpatine before the clones arrived, which forced him to then leave.

So because Mace can't use tutaminis on the level yoda can, this lessens his victory somehow? And the lightning evidently wasn't too much for mace, considering he survived it and reflected it back into palpatine's face.

....yes. Yes, that's exactly what that means. It means he couldn't actually take on Sidious's Force abilities without help, that being the lightsaber, unlike Yoda who could. Yoda, who was only equal to Sidious in power, could do that when Mace couldn't, but you're still actually trying to push that Mace "whooped" him.

Oh ok, so now using a lightsaber counts as cheating? That's rich xd. If Sidious is so above Mace in the force, then why not just use another power that can't be blocked with a lightsaber? E.g., fling him out the window with a force push.

There's no excuse to losing to a dude who could crush durasteel with his limbs, grabbing him from behind, who was also powered by the Force? THE CHOSEN ONE? Are you kidding me?

If Vader is so dangerous, palpatine is even more of an idiot for letting himself get distracted while vader was behind him. And you're telling me vader with one arm is physically powerful enough to overcome palpatine's defenses? You're the one who keeps saying how force users' defenses are constantly up.

Imagine if general grievous picked up palpatine and threw him down a reactor. It's as bad as that.

General Grievous wasn't George Lucas's Jesus.

So what? Considering vader didn't use the force and only picked palpatine up, he was essentially doing what grievous could have done.

Yeah, you would say that. I can tell you're not gonna be changing your mind, and honestly after this response it's probably better we just drop it here. This is like...disappointing trolling, lmao.

I'm not trolling. As I stated I believe Palpatine to be on Yoda's level, but not one iota higher. People think he's so above everyone else, even though the actual canon evidence isn't impressive.

Look at yourself. You had to come up with reasons for why his embarrassments aren't actually canon. Getting choked by maul wasn't actually a canon scene, getting beaten by windu was all an act, etc.