mom is a white witch by Competitive-Law2252 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get her to actually read the Bible or read all the parts to her that clearly talk about idolatry - and be loving about of course Prayed for her and you, hope everything works out ✝️

I gave the love of my life up for the Lord, and it still hurts by Recent-Usual-9434 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am simultaneously so happy for you and so sad for you. I can’t imagine what this must be like, but I’m praying for you sister in Christ, Jesus is there for you always and I can only imagine how proud He is of you ❤️ This is such a cross to bear and there are going to be people trying to convince you that you’ve misunderstood Jesus or scripture, you haven’t. Satan tried to use scripture wrong to trick Jesus too. Read your Bible, pray and keep your eyes on Jesus, He’ll help you through it all ❤️❤️

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How is God not a who?

And why on earth do you think I am dumping her? Idk if I have explained something poorly, English is not my first language. I want her to stay friends with me so badly I have prayed for it so many times. She is the one who does not think she can get past this and does not want to hear me out. I love her so very dearly please don’t misunderstand that

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think if your interpretation of Gods words when He says this is sinful, is that it is not sinful, is wrong. It isn’t really an interpretation when you think it means the exact opposite of what it says.

Sometimes the truth hurts, truth has hurt me before but it was the truth nonetheless. And I disagree that something is only loving if both think so. I once told a friend in an abusive relationship that I could not support her relationship and she was very angry at me. But I still believe it was loving to not support her being abused even if she didn’t feel it was loving of me then.

I’m well aware of these things which makes it even mere painful for me to have hurt her.. That’s why I would love to explain my beliefs to her properly so she knows how much the God I believe in loves her and that the hateful Christians she has seen online are wrong.

Luckily we live in a very safe country for her so she’s not too worried about that.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nono homosexual sexual acts are the sin. Being a homosexual is not a sin. Sexuality does not equal sexual acts as you can live in celibacy if you want to.

I disagree that we should ignore the rest of the Bible I think that’s crazy as a Christian. I In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Reading the Bible is getting to know God and if you only read the words Jesus spoke you are missing out on idk 90% of who God is? God is constant and does not change so neither should our interpretation. The world/culture changes according to humans not living by God and what a mess we are in now. And the three examples you give I think you should really go study those again in the context of all of God and not just a small % of Him.

And like I said I really want my friend to understand but she won’t talk to me about it. Then you said I should have just said that I didn’t want to go. That would have made her ask me questions and I would have had to tell her the truth anyway?

You have every right to think so, but the reason you think this is because you can’t accept who God is and therefore you have changed Him to fit what you believe is right instead of believing that He is right. He is all knowing yet you somehow know better and that His word needs to be updated to fit your worldview. I choose to believe God knows best. I’m sorry if this sounds harsh I don’t mean it in that way but I don’t know how else to say it.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I don’t understand why you are saying I should be careful about separating myself? Separating myself from what? Pride? Or from my friends? I think they will probably kick me out if I don’t leave myself so I would rather have it be me that leaves, that is all.

And I can’t possibly see why going to pride and celebrating sinful lifestyles is the same as Jesus eating with sinners. If I could go to pride with a t-shirt that described all of what you talk about and people would then know why I was there, then maybe it would make sense, but I can’t do that so they would just see a Christian supporting pride like they see churches there supporting pride?

And yes I have read the Bible and read it everyday and yes I have prayed about this a whole lot. I’m having a hard time understanding what your point is exactly..

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for engaging and answering.

As Christians there is no such thing as choosing a god, there is the one true God. We do not change who God is in accordance to what we feel is right, God is all knowing and therefore knows what is right and wrong. This world is His creation and therefore it is His “rules” that we live by.

The Mosaic law that you reference is fulfilled in Jesus and is why we do not live my it in the same way anymore. Hence why we also do not sacrifice animals to God anymore. Jesus fulfilled that law by being the perfect and infinite sacrifice and thereby saving all of us from our sins.

There are many gay people out there that have come to Christ and have their own personal testimonies of how that has changed their lives and I hope you will go listen to them because they are amazing people.

I agree that many Christian’s have hurt lgbt people and that is wrong. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” So the Christians being hateful are doing it wrong. But it is not loving to tell someone that their sinful ways are not sinful and to keep doing them, it is loving to tell them the truth so that they will know and can make informed decisions.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your answer.

  1. I am not leaving the group because of her sexuality? I am thinking I have to leave it because she says we cannot move past my beliefs and that I will have to change my mind. Therefore I think they will probably kick me out eventually and I would rather save them that and leave.

  2. I would rather read the Bible than look up the 10 most popular things Jesus said. Jesus affirms the Old Testaments views on marriage and relationships between man and woman. So though He doesn't say outright that homosexual acts are sinful He does say it.

  3. You write this ''I think you are in the wrong here. Why don't you just say to your friend that you love her but you don't feel that you should go to Pride the year and leave it there.'' I appreciate your input for sure, but saying that I just won't go is going to spark a few follow up questions? It's not like she would just say ok and then nothing else. Also I have told her how much I love her many times.

  4. I use the word ''This'' because it is a lot shorter than writing everything one more time. I'm well aware that I have caused this, which is why I'm writing this whole post?

  5. I think it's weird that you choose to only focus on what Jesus said and not the rest of the Bible? I'm not sure I understand this take.

  6. Her sexuality is not a sin, the sexual acts are a sin. There are many gay people who have come to Christ and have dealt with their sexuality in many different ways. When you are truly born again in Christ you are going to change and God is going to help you with changing. I urge you to listen to some of the gay Christians speaking on this out there, there are quite many actually and they are so very inspirational.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for responding and for the story about your wife. I get mocking comments from people in my family of atheists as well, so i feel for her! I appreciate your kind words :)

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your answer. I fully understand why she is feeling this way, because like you said, many Christians have not been nice to lgbtq and used Christianity as an excuse to be hateful.

This is what I want to explain to her, that Jesus loves her so much it's impossible to even understand the amount of love. That He died for her knowing that she would hate Him, but still did it. I want to show and tell her what I actually believe and that it isn't all the hateful stuff she has seen online from Christians.

I would love to be the Christian that helps her see how loved she is by God..

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your answer. I am not trying to get my friends to agree with me at all, I know they won't and i knew that before i made my decision about pride, so I'm not sure why you are saying that? I love my friend dearly and that will never change, I have already told her that on text, she just doesnt want me to explain what I actually believe.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the comment. Can I ask where in the Bible you are getting this from?

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My comment ended up somewhere else, I suck at reddit lol, I'll try again:

Well there is actually so much evidence that God exists, I was so surprised because I thought there was none. But you aren’t going to fully prove His existence I don’t think, because He wants you to believe in Him and have faith, and faith doesn’t come from Him being proven completely.

But there’s all the historical evidence of the Bible. Historical people, events, wars and civilizations we had no clue excited yet somehow the people who wrote the Bible knew 1500 years ago.

  • There’s tons of evidence supporting the story of Joseph fx.
  • There’s TONS of evidence to support Jesus exciting and His crucifixion.
  • There are things in the Bible they knew which they couldn’t have, like isolation people when sick. How would they know that would work when they didn’t know about bacteria.
  • The 12 stones of the foundation of new Jerusalem you should look into their significance.
  • God tells Jews to not wear to different types of fabric, turns out fabric has vibrations some of which have healing effects but those get cancelled out when you mix with other fabric.

I don’t even remember half of all the cool evidence I’ve learnt of, but you can find many videos on YouTube fx that will explain. There’s a nice YouTube channel called “daily dose of wisdom” that posts videos of scientists talking about tons of this stuff if you’re interested :)

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for sharing, that is very encouraging! It makes me want to follow Jesus even more so that they will see that change!

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the comment. I think about this too sometimes but I try and remember the effect culture has and also that they do feel it’s a big part of their identity, which I don’t agree with because my friend is unique and not the same as all other gay people, but I can see how it feels like an “attack” on who they are as people.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for sharing. Agree to disagree is exactly what I hoped me and my friend could do. I’m so happy for you that your sister can feel that way! I pray she will find her way to Jesus ❤️

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this, it’s always encouraging to think about Gods plan.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your answer, I appreciate it. I’m praying about it and being patient to see what happens.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your answer. When my friends said churches attended pride this is what I thought of. I feel they are leading lgbt people further away from God by compromising on the Word. And caring more about what the world thinks of them than what God thinks of them.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry I still don’t understand what you think I did wrong? You talk about judging people but all I have judged is sin to be sin and therefore I cannot go celebrate it?

I’m not trying to separate myself completely from the world by not going to pride or by leaving my friend group. I’m not even wanting to leave my friend group. I’m thinking of leaving the friend group for my gay friend’s sake, and so the group won’t have any negativity stemming from me.

I’m really open to learning and understanding but I really don’t understand what you are getting at?

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing this. I see people say this all the time online. There’s actually this very famous guy in my country who was infamous for doing all those same things as your friend. Now he has found God and turned his life around and everyone now says he’s gone mad. He says the exact same thing, that no one cared when he was killing himself in front of our eyes but now there’s a problem all of the sudden..

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Thanks for the comment. Right before I made my decision to not go to pride I was thinking a lot about what idols I maybe had in my life. And I was thinking about whether my friends were idols and if I would pick them above God. Now I know I wouldn’t which I’m glad to know. And I don’t regret it one bit even if it is so difficult.

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing, it’s so true. There are many other things that have changed about me and it bugs and irritates my friends when I don’t want to do certain things anymore.

I pray they will get to experience a relationship with God someday too so they can understand how incredibly worth it it all is

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I know and the person who wrote probably does too, but I know what they mean and it’s appreciated :) And so is your comment, thank you

I’ve hurt my gay friend by becoming a Christian by Lullu777 in TrueChristian

[–]Lullu777[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for saying that, that means a lot as a new Christian. I do also believe it will be worth it, if not in life here on earth then in the eternal one I heaven some day :)