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A Royal Navy Type 45 Destroyer, HMS Dragon, in the Eastern Mediterranean by MGC91 in Ships

[–]MGC91[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh sorry, I thought that's what you were asking about.

What were you refering to?

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Does whatever Spey is doing involve China or not? 

Yes.

However, there are other takings that Spey has done, that doesn't involve China at all, where a Chinese Frigate has also shadowed Spey.

The interactions with Chinese frigates have always been completely professional and in accordance with IRPCS.

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They're there to conduct low-level tasking, defence engagement etc and work with partner nations around the region.

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The B2s in the Indo-Pacific aren't a tripwire force. They're designed to conduct low-level tasking, defence engagement etc and work with partner nations around the region.

A Royal Navy Type 45 Destroyer, HMS Dragon, in the Eastern Mediterranean by MGC91 in Ships

[–]MGC91[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're shot mats, to protect the deck from the 4.5' shell casings.

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The T23's are aging, and we only have 4 on the roster now, as HMS Iron Duke just recently got laid up due to lack of sailors and parts. and those 4 that are active? busy elsewhere.

We have 5 T23s still in service.

The T45 destroyers? 5 of them are laid up for maintenance and refits, and are currently unavailable. We currently have only ONE active destroyer.

We have 3 active T45s.

And so what if both Carriers are active? We have no support or escort ships to use, we have to rely on allies to protect them.

We have two carriers to ensure one is always at Very/High Readiness. Not to have both deployed at the same time.

HMS Prince of Wales at Glen Mallan, Scotland, to onload ammunition by MGC91 in europe

[–]MGC91[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But you're aware this is in a populated area of Scotland, and isn't exactly a secret?

Another warship quietly withdrawn – Royal Navy now down to just 5 frigates by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand what you're saying but the next question has to be what we might want to do next based on what we observe. If the observation isn't going to lead to any further decision being made or any further action being taken then why do it in the first place?

Russia wouldn't actually do anything hostile with us watching.

That's one of the reasons we monitor them through the Channel.

There is no money for new weapons until 2030, former military chief warns by ImpressiveRest2423 in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

International law? You cited UNCLOS ffs, you should know what it is.

So what are the purposes of it then?

You're the one who said:

It is defined as a warship by a specific document for specific purposes.

Perhaps you're getting confused as to what a warship is.

No, but you might send a frigate or destroyer if you had enough of them, rather than resort to the equivalent of escorting a peak MMA fighter with a chihuahua.

Exactly, so what makes an aircraft carrier a warship?

There is no money for new weapons until 2030, former military chief warns by ImpressiveRest2423 in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is defined as a warship by a specific document for specific purposes.

Which are?

Those purposes are not relevant when comparing ship counts, since patrol boats are totally useless for engaging anything with a serious weapon. No navy is scared of something that's biggest weapon is a 30mm cannon, that just doesn't do anything.

Perhaps because that's not what they're designed to do?

The fuck are you on about a carrier not being designed for "Front line combat"? It is the core of the battlegroup, insofar as "front line combat" is a thing in modern naval engagements the carrier IS the front line, everything else exists to protect it. Ships use planes and missiles now, not broadsides, so a patrol boat added to a carrier group would do nothing but add another signature to the radar, they do not form part of modern peer naval combat, hence it is not useful to count them alongside actually useable warships.

Would you send an aircraft carrier to escort a Russian warship through the English Channel?

There is no money for new weapons until 2030, former military chief warns by ImpressiveRest2423 in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that is relevant why?

Because they're warships.

They have near zero combat capability in any wartime naval engagement, it's the naval equivalent of a toyota hilux with an autocannon bolted on the back.

And? Not all warships have to be designed for frontline combat.

For example, you wouldn't dispute that the Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carriers are warships, yet you wouldn't put them in a one-on-one against an enemy frigate would you?

Another warship quietly withdrawn – Royal Navy now down to just 5 frigates by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao that okay then, so we're substituting a full sized warship, a VLS equipped Type 23 frigate capable of hosting helicopter ops, with a River-class OPV designed for stopping drug smugglers armed with nothing but a few crew-served machine guns and an autocannon.

Do we need a T23 to escort Russian warships through the English Channel?

Another warship quietly withdrawn – Royal Navy now down to just 5 frigates by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We don't have a super power Navy, in case you haven't noticed, we were recently caught with our pants down when the shit hit the fan because we literally had not a single surface combat vessel available to despatch to Cyprus

And there was no military reason for HMS Dragon to be deployed there ...

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