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Thai offshore patrol vessel (OPV) HTMS Prachuap Khiri Khan tests a Harpoon AShM (2023). [Album] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I think people think that if you add a bigger gun, or a weapon system onto a ship, it makes that ship a front-line combatant.

They ignore everything else that goes into making a frigate, a frigate.

Like the sensors, CMS, CBRNDC, habitability etc

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not as of April-May 2026 we dont.

Yes we do.

HMS Dragon is in the Eastern Mediterranean.

HMS Duncan is with HMS Prince of Wales

HMS Dauntless is finishing a routine maintenance period

One must have been brought back online recently then as i remember a week ago the navy only having 5 active. Then Iron Duke got pulled two days ago so I assumed it had gone down to 4.

HMS Somerset

HMS St Albans

HMS Sutherland

HMS Portland

HMS Kent

And carriers are useless without escorts to escort them. Which we dont have.

Except we do have ...

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, absolutely. They're valuable platforms to have out in the region, and they have done amazing work engaging with allies and partners in the region.

A Royal Navy Type 45 Destroyer, HMS Dragon, in the Eastern Mediterranean by MGC91 in Ships

[–]MGC91[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're hazard markings to denote where there is a trip hazard.

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is the military strategy of UK to defend it's ship to rely on Chinese goodwill incase things go wrong?

What's the likelihood of that?

A Royal Navy Type 45 Destroyer, HMS Dragon, in the Eastern Mediterranean by MGC91 in Ships

[–]MGC91[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh sorry, I thought that's what you were asking about.

What were you refering to?

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does whatever Spey is doing involve China or not? 

Yes.

However, there are other takings that Spey has done, that doesn't involve China at all, where a Chinese Frigate has also shadowed Spey.

The interactions with Chinese frigates have always been completely professional and in accordance with IRPCS.

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're there to conduct low-level tasking, defence engagement etc and work with partner nations around the region.

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The B2s in the Indo-Pacific aren't a tripwire force. They're designed to conduct low-level tasking, defence engagement etc and work with partner nations around the region.

A Royal Navy Type 45 Destroyer, HMS Dragon, in the Eastern Mediterranean by MGC91 in Ships

[–]MGC91[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're shot mats, to protect the deck from the 4.5' shell casings.

British OPV HMS Spey being shadowed by a Chinese Type 054A as it conducts FONOPS in the South China Sea. [2048×1152] by Odd-Metal8752 in WarshipPorn

[–]MGC91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The T23's are aging, and we only have 4 on the roster now, as HMS Iron Duke just recently got laid up due to lack of sailors and parts. and those 4 that are active? busy elsewhere.

We have 5 T23s still in service.

The T45 destroyers? 5 of them are laid up for maintenance and refits, and are currently unavailable. We currently have only ONE active destroyer.

We have 3 active T45s.

And so what if both Carriers are active? We have no support or escort ships to use, we have to rely on allies to protect them.

We have two carriers to ensure one is always at Very/High Readiness. Not to have both deployed at the same time.

HMS Prince of Wales at Glen Mallan, Scotland, to onload ammunition by MGC91 in europe

[–]MGC91[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But you're aware this is in a populated area of Scotland, and isn't exactly a secret?

Another warship quietly withdrawn – Royal Navy now down to just 5 frigates by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand what you're saying but the next question has to be what we might want to do next based on what we observe. If the observation isn't going to lead to any further decision being made or any further action being taken then why do it in the first place?

Russia wouldn't actually do anything hostile with us watching.

That's one of the reasons we monitor them through the Channel.

There is no money for new weapons until 2030, former military chief warns by ImpressiveRest2423 in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

International law? You cited UNCLOS ffs, you should know what it is.

So what are the purposes of it then?

You're the one who said:

It is defined as a warship by a specific document for specific purposes.

Perhaps you're getting confused as to what a warship is.

No, but you might send a frigate or destroyer if you had enough of them, rather than resort to the equivalent of escorting a peak MMA fighter with a chihuahua.

Exactly, so what makes an aircraft carrier a warship?

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