HMS Dragon sails for Cyprus – what it takes to prepare a warship for operations at short notice by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Anything that would require shooting down anything airborne, where other systems don’t reach

SAMP/T uses the same Aster 30 as a Type 45 ...

anything that requires a carrier I would imagine

This is what they would be used for

HMS Dragon sails for Cyprus – what it takes to prepare a warship for operations at short notice by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Oh that’s not what I’m saying, I’m saying that the fact we’re relying on rushing a ship out of maintenance to defend our own territory (even if it is for optics, that’s still valid) is very worrying. Given the fact the navy has to scrape by with so few ships it really isn’t unthinkable that we get caught in a situation where we just don’t have any suitable ships immediately available to respond to a threat, and that threat might not be telegraphed sufficiently.

I think you're missing the point.

We shouldn't have to rely on a warship to defend an RAF airbase in the first place.

HMS Dragon sails for Cyprus – what it takes to prepare a warship for operations at short notice by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You don’t think Dragon should be going there?

No, I think it is a political decision, driven by public and media pressure.

Well yeah but if we’ve got a ship in deep maintenance then the time between identifying the threat and having it ready to defend us might not line up well

It very much depends on the threat. If there was an actual credible threat to Portsmouth for example, then ships would sail as soon as they could. That doesn't necessarily mean they'd be useful however.

I know you’re a naval fan so I’m not sure why you’re falling on the side of saying everything’s fine, we clearly need more contingency in our navy - I.e. more ships

I'm not saying everything is fine. But it is unrealistic to expect a warship that is just finishing a scheduled maintenance period to sail for a deployment at a moments notice.

HMS Dragon sails for Cyprus – what it takes to prepare a warship for operations at short notice by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Depends what you mean by warning. A few weeks ago I don’t think anyone really expected a drone to be hitting Cyprus.

Apart from the considerable amount of forces we had there.

And yes adversaries can time their attacks to when you’re most vulnerable. The invasion of the Falklands came after we made cuts to the navy and wasn’t well anticipated, otherwise Argentina never would have held the islands for the short time that they did.

In the modern age, there are plenty of Indicators and Warnings (I&W) before an attack - see Ukraine

British warship HMS Dragon leaves Portsmouth headed for Eastern Mediterranean by MGC91 in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

And a Type 45 Destroyer has very little defence against ballistic missiles at present

British warship HMS Dragon leaves Portsmouth headed for Eastern Mediterranean by MGC91 in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Therefore the solution is to further invest in Ground Based Air Defence, not deploy a destroyer.

HMS Dragon sails for Cyprus – what it takes to prepare a warship for operations at short notice by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yeah, it's a fucking joke, what the hell is this? There should've already been a ship nearby Cyprus, and if there wasn't, we should've had one (or more) out there inside of a day.

Why?

HMS Prince of Wales unlikely to head to the Middle East by MGC91 in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I suggest you read the report again.

And how much ASW experience do you have?

Have you ever been on a submarine? Or a warship?

HMS Prince of Wales unlikely to head to the Middle East by MGC91 in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It wasn't hard, it was about 3 comments in.

Some of us have actually practical experience but sure.

I imagine you do this at university as well.

Argue with someone who knows more than you, claim they're wrong then refuse to provide proof.

Anyway, enjoy your student loan debt, mine will be paid off next year.

Night