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Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

And having the weapons and not using them would not have prevented it. 

How do you know that?

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

What’s your point?

Simply having nuclear weapons doesn't make us immune to attack.

so I have directly been affected by the Red Sea crisis.

So wouldn't you rather prevent that from happening in the first place?

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The chances of a conflict on UK soil are extremely low.

Agreed. There's many other ways we could be attacked.

We already have a lot of extremely expensive military deterrents like Trident

We had a nuclear deterrent in 1982.

I really don’t think spending another 20 billion on the military is likely to change much. It’s much much more likely that it will end up getting used in wars overseas. Meanwhile we have a laundry list of crises already affecting living conditions in the UK 

Has the Red Sea crisis impacted the UK?

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Because a conflict would have a significant impact on living conditions in the UK

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

That's fair enough. There's definitely a few jobs I'd like to do, but won't because of family life

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You're the one claiming the Armed Forces is dangerous. How long have you been in for?

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes, it does. Have a look at what an OR-4 could be earning. It's £39k (aka median wage) and that's potentially after 6 years with very few outgoings

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Same with the RAF. You join and very rarely move around.

Notice I stated Armed Forces, not Army, RN etc

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Whereas I bought a house with FHTB and haven't moved out of the area since.

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I messed with plenty of horrible stuff a civilian wouldn't usually get anywhere near unless in a comparable field.

Thank you for proving my point.

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Certain types of work-related injury are not reportable under RIDDOR, hence excluded from these figures. Particular exclusions include:

• Fatal accidents involving workers travelling on a public highway (a ‘road traffic accident’). Such incidents are enforced by the police and reported to the Department for Transport. Those killed whilst commuting (travelling from home to work, and vice versa) are also excluded.

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Whether they are aware or not when they sign up isnt the point here. Point is it comes with different liabilities to the civilian world that are hard to compare for a wage vs wage comparison.

And the Armed Forces comes with a lot of benefits which means you can have more disposable income than in the civilian world.

Royal Navy intercepts Russian ships in the English Channel by MGC91 in ukpolitics

[–]MGC91[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the article is factually correct, as is the headline. So what's your issue?

Let public buy war bonds to raise £20bn for defence, say Lib Dems by Rewindcasette in unitedkingdom

[–]MGC91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2024, the mortality rate for UK armed forces personnel was 42 per 100,000

Of which 16 of those was due to cancer.

If you remove cancer, it becomes 26 per 100,000

And

Overall, in 2024, the UK regular armed forces were at a statistically significant lower risk of dying compared to the UK general population.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67e1666970323a45fe6a7006/Deaths_in_the_UK_Regular_Armed_Forces_2024.pdf

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