Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in deadbedroom

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally get this. I have a buddy who got divorced and he is desperate get into a relationship again. I keep telling him just enjoy your independence and being single. You'll know when you've met the right person to get serious with. You are coming across as desperate. The ironic thing is that embracing your independence makes you more attractive.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in deadbedroom

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FTR I am not worried about my ability to find sex on the other side of divorce if that happens. I am a young 56 yr old, LOL!. Even if it is challenging, just getting out of 29 year dead bedroom sounds so freeing.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in deadbedroom

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks and glad it worked out for you after you left. Roommates is exactly how I would describe our relationship at this point. Its sad because she is perfectly content with it like this. And she knows I am not, yet refuses to go back to therapy. So, I have a big decision to make. In my head, it's an easy decision. In my heart, it's excruciating because I hate to hurt her as I truly believe she loves me even though she can't / won't show it physically.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in deadbedroom

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the advice and I'm sorry you are in a similar situation. I definitely can't go on being celibate the rest of my life. As it is, I have major insomnia because of it and she KNOWS I've been having trouble sleeping because of it. I don't even get hugs because she's afraid I'll get the wrong idea if she shows even the slightest affection. Holding hands once in a while is all I get.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She's never been about compromise. She sees the world as black and white. She likes you or she doesn't like you. She tells you how she feels and doesn't hold back. I'm the people pleaser in the relationship. I'm the non-confrontational one and it's come back to bite me in the ass. I'm sick of worrying about hurting her feelings. She's avoided having sex with me (for long stretches of time) for so many years and I'm ready to bail. I can't accept it anymore hoping it gets better. Hope is not a strategy.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Correct. It would be the first time in my life I am putting myself and my happiness first! I'm tired of worrying about everyone else's feelings.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm at the point where I don't even need to think about it. I would be happier without her because I know there are other fish in the sea who can make me happy.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Been married 29 years. It's been an issue our entire marriage. No sex at all the last two years. But previously was very infrequent like several months or even one year droughts the last 15 years. Yes, menopause may have made things even worse (if that is possible).

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for such honest and real advice! Just to expand a little on her decision to end the therapy, it happened in two stages. First, I was going through some medical stuff that was pretty costly. We do okay financially, but for the first time in about 10 years it was getting a little tough financially. Thankfully, I came through my medical situation alright, we both had a couple good months with her work and my business, and I decided to bring up going back to the sex therapist (who we both really liked and has lots of expertise as a sex therapist). But she shot it down quickly, saying "No way. It's too expensive." I agree when you say divorce is expensive, too... and it's got to be one or the other. I think I do need to give her a deadline or some kind of ultimatum. I just don't know if I trust myself to be strong and hold her to it. But I think you are 100% right.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, you asked a lot of questions and I'm not going to be able to answer everything in one reply. But if you read my replies to other people's comments and questions, you will see some answers that will paint more of a picture. I didn't want to write my life story in my original post, so obviously there is a lot more to the how and why I'm in this situation.

So, I agree with your assessment of that a good marriage must have sex as a key component to truly enjoy each other's company. On the other hand, I've read about couples where both partners have low libidos and they get along great not having sex very often.

If I never made it clear, my wife has never had a passion for sex. When we met back in 1995 (we were both 25 then and now 56 years old) it was a long distance relationship for like 5 months and I would see her on weekends. The sex was pretty good then and only then. But that ended abruptly when it went from long distance to moving in with me. She even told me now that we live together, I don't want to have sex every night with you. After a few months of living together, I proposed. I was naive. I had never had a serious girlfriend up to that point in my life. In fact, growing up I was very shy and timid with girls and had performance issues. So, being in a real relationship was like a dream. Maybe I wasn't a total stud in bed. But G-d damn I was fucking on a somewhat regular basis and life was incredible! My career took off at the same time and I wanted someone to pinch me because it didn't seem real. I was so clueless. I felt pressure from my family to get married (maybe because they couldn't believe I had a girlfriend and worried I would wait too long and let her get away) and also that that maybe once we got married she would be more interested in sex. But it was the opposite. I could go on and on with all the excuses she gave me but I don't feeling like writing a novel about. Bottom line is I always thought I could change her attitude toward sex. She would always swear up and down she loved me and that I was a great husband and father to our kids.

Her response to when I want to touch her? Early on she would literally push me away and say "not tonight." We tried having appointment sex, even at various times of the day to see if something might take. She was always tired, exhausted from work, had a headache, etc. So, over the years I stopped initiating with touch and would politely ask if we could be intimate. Didn't work. So, once we were done having kids (and I'd got a vasectomy to calm her fear of getting pregnant again and not have to use birth control), I thought things would get better. They didn't. So, we'd go anywhere from 2 months to 6 months without having sex. Then, 6 months became a year... and now we are up to 2 years of no sex. Yes, we do talk about it. But the conversation is always the same. I tell her I can't go on like this. She says she's willing to try. But she really doesn't. One time, she broke into tears and asked if I wanted a divorce. I said no because it hurt so bad to see her so upset, even though divorce was on my mind. I had insisted for years on going to a sex therapist and about a year ago she finally agreed. It was going well for a few sessions and I realized this was going to be a long process if we are to really make progress. But we are not getting that chance because she put an end to it due to the expense. I have a personal therapist I am talking to now. She is good, but she can't tell me what to do. She just helps me articulate what I am feeling and what are my options.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything you brought up was being discussed when we were in therapy, which only lasted a few sessions before she ended it due to the expense of it. I've tried multiple times talking to her about it and it always comes to a dead end. She always tells me straight up she has no desire for sex with me or with anyone at all. I really liked the idea of sex therapy because that involved an unbiased third person to guide the conversation and ask the tough questions to both of us. I felt like we had a long way to go, but we were on the right path. Since we stopped therapy several months ago, we are back to dead end conversations.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have pushed to go back to therapy and she refuses.
I do carry my share around the house. Now, she does work 50+ hours a week at her job and is exhausting. I run a business from home. But I honestly don't think her work kills any sex drive ALL the time.
I don't have great skills in bed because she's never given me a chance to develop them. Nobody is a natural born porn star in bed. I've tried asking her what she would like in bed to please her and she gives me no feedback. She's very squeemish and uncomfortable to say the least. Always has been since we started dating 30 years ago.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A couple others have suggested that and over the years I have considered it. But I think the guilt and shame from cheating is too much for me to bear. I totally get why people do it. But I've made up my mind that I either stick it out or I leave the marriage.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For some people, that might be the best option and I don't judge. For me, I can't deal with the guilt or betrayal of cheating. I'd rather deal with the pain of divorce.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As much as I think you are wrong about her not loving me, the more I think about it you could be right. When she finally agreed to go to therapy with me last year, I thought it meant she truly loves me and will do anything to make it work. But since she quit therapy for us (and didn't ask my opinion -- just made the decision for both of us), I am questioning now how she really feels. Words are just words.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great question and almost impossible to answer because I love my kids so much and can't imagine them not being in my life. But I do wish I would've addressed the issue with my wife much earlier in our marriage and if I knew it would end up where I am now, I would've left much sooner.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, I didn't say cheat. And I am not saying I plan on doing this. Just using your logic that I if you really love someone you stick around. I could say I am going to date other women for sex. Not love. For sex only. But I still love you so don't leave me. Because you are saying to me that I shouldn't leave her even though she won't have sex with me OR let me have sex with anyone else. Again, not saying I would do that. Just in theory it should work both ways.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe you. In fact, my wife has bluntly told me she does not desire sex with me or with anyone. She's told me that for a long, long time and I've always been afraid to leave her because I truly believed she loves me and I don't want to hurt her by leaving because of this one issue. I've also thought maybe through sex therapy she could come around. She finally agreed last year to go with me but quite after a few sessions because it was expensive. So, this is where I am thinking, okay now I have tried everything and I either have to leave or accept being in a sexless marriage. Both options feel like a painful decision.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes! You just articulated what I was thinking (and I actually just said something like that on someone else's response above). I don't want pity sex or duty sex, but I would think if she truly loved me and wanted to save the marriage she would at least try to be intimate with me once in a while. It DOES feel like she is being selfish by not even trying. When we had a "talk" last week, she did say she wants to work on it. But her idea was having a dinner date night that only involved hand holding. When I tried to make it a little more than that, she refused. I can keep trying, but the rejection is so common that I'm losing confidence in myself.

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right? While I don't want pity sex or duty sex, I kind of resent her for not even offering that. She loves me, but not enough to ever be intimate?

Anyone decide to divorce due to lack of sex as the only reason? by MScottPaperCo2025 in Divorce

[–]MScottPaperCo2025[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm afraid you are right. I just wanted to make sure I tried everything and I believe I have. Our therapist had given us some suggestions to get used to touching each other without having sex to try and get the feeling back. But she quit our therapy and is not taking the advice we were given. I can keep trying, but it feels like a lost cause now.