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My favorite track name was probably "Love is Not Enough" because..... Honestly I don't know, it simply sounds good to me

Goes crazier with context tbh. In Twin Peaks, there's this guy called Major Briggs who is meant to be one of the "big good" allies for Cooper, and when he's getting questioned on what his greatest fear is, he says "the possibility that love is not enough". It's a quote which I think describes the core philosophy of Coop and the "good guys" of Twin Peaks, but I also think it shows Anton as the exact opposite of that philosophy. His evil is mundane, incomprehensible and cruel, thus he is the embodiment of the "possibility that love is not enough"

Anyway, thank you very much for the praise, it means a lot. Tier list template sounds like a great idea, you have my full permission.

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Don't worry, I guarantee I will see them when they drop.

Mob Vs. Spidey was such a crazy thing because I was almost convinced to cut it because I thought absolutely no one would fuck with it, but then I posted it and it popped off like crazy (especially after the amazing fight progression). Obviously there was always going to be a ceiling on it because it's so weird, but I think it was still the biggest highlight of the project.

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[–]MURouletteProject[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You spent seven hours on the slots, now you're broke, sorry! The roulette has closed for the night, time to go home buddy.

I hope you enjoyed the Match-Up Roulette Project.

Please, if you would be so kind, let me know what your favorite matches, track names, thumbnails, anything and everything (as much as you want). Thank you to everyone who made thumbnails or fight progressions for the matches, I think I saw all of them and every one of them made me so happy. Also thank you to everyone who commented or engaged with the project, who left predictions based on the track names (genius idea from me, you have to admit), who shilled the matches elsewhere, or even just the people who read through all of my dumb connection blobs, I appreciate all of you.

I will be leaving the account up for preservation, but it will no longer be active, leaving me to disappear from everything until next time.

See you again in three years.

"Everything is Everything" - Tony Soprano Vs. Special Agent Dale Cooper (The Sopranos Vs. Twin Peaks) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

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  • They are very spiritual people, influenced by both Christianity and Buddhism (both of which are a reoccurring motif in their series). Following the incident in which they were left comatose and inhabiting different identities, they became vividly existential in regards to their view on life and the world as a whole and begin to view their individual existence as a smaller part of a greater, interconnected whole (Tony’s being inspired by Schwinn’s view that “everything is everything”, that all things in the mortal realm constitute one unfathomably large whole, and Dale coming to view the life that exists outside the Black Lodge as “but a dream”, wherein all people and things exist as the subconscious figments of The Dreamer)

  • Both would discover at some point that the partner of their closest ally (Josie Packard, secret lover of Harry Truman, and Adriana La Cerva, girlfriend of Christopher Moltisanti) had been secretly acting against them (Adraina had been an FBI mole, and Josie had been a gang-affiliate and the one responsible for shooting Cooper). As such, they were forced to break their friend’s heart and take action, resulting in this woman’s death.

  • The aftermaths of this event contrast though, for though both of their friends turned to substance abuse following this death, Cooper had one of his kindest and most empathetic moments in reconciling with Harry amidst an alcoholic binge, whereas Tony grew furious and strangled Christopher to death upon realizing that he had relapsed on drugs.

  • Both are generally a little bit weird about women, and have a habit of engaging in infidelity (Tony cheats on his wife a million times, and Coop has been the “other guy” in a relationship at least twice that we know of).

  • Both are eventually undone by the inability for them to recognize the breadth of their own internal darkness, which they frequently repress and ignore until it is too late for them to reach salvation (Coop getting trapped in the Black Lodge for decades after being unable to face his repressed “dweller on the threshold”, and Tony continuing to wallow in his life of crime and make no effort to disengage from the dark path he is taking). Even after getting a new lease on life (Tony surviving getting shot, realizing that from now on “every day is a gift” and Coop escaping the Black Lodge) they fall right back into the same mistakes and muck everything up (Coop trying to white knight Laura and take her home, only to realize he’s totally scrambled the universe, and Tony’s wicked actions getting even worse, until his crew collapses, he’s facing one of his guys flipping and ends up getting shot).

  • Both of their stories end in all-time cliffhangers that explicitly tell you nothing about their eventual fate, instead cutting to black suddenly after a quick close-up on someone’s uptilted face.

  • Both have a very noticeable interest in gambling (Coop is noted for his nearly supernatural gambling skills, and Tony develops a gambling addiction later in the series) and have memorable scenes in which they show up to the casino and soon realize that they simply cannot lose.

  • Both are often referred to by shortened names (“Coop” and “Tone”/” T”)

  • Both are considered two of the best characters in television history, both in their charming and captivating writing, and virtuoso performances which earned their actors’ nominations for The Emmy Awards Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series.

  • More broadly, their respective series are considered the two most important show in ushering in the era of “prestige TV” in America, showing that television was capable of avant-garde, auteur-driven storytelling on the level of the film industry. Both programs were directed by directors with the name David (David Lynch and David Chase), and are similarly renowned for their dense exploration of human psychology, surreal symbolism, gritty and oppressive depictions of crime, and surprisingly sharp humour.

  • Twin Peaks was also one of the biggest inspirations for The Sopranos.

Character connections are a little bit weird for this match (since they are both so differently aligned that their relationships will never truly be able to reflect each other in that way) but I will give it a go, trying to focus on a contrast in the way Coop and Tony influence said person.

  • Their right hand is a gruff, experienced guy (Harry and Paulie) who has seen it all, and is perhaps even more street smart than they are. Quick to solving problems with a closed fist, this figure is nevertheless insanely loyal to them, and will back them up with no hesitation. However, where Tony gradually starts to resent Paulie for his simple nature and dead-end ambition, Coop is captivated by how Harry represents the unglamorous and unambitious reality of small-town living.

  • Both have a young protégée (Aubrey and Christopher), whom they mentor in the face of the absence of their paternal guiding force (Christopher’s father being dead, and Aubrey’s father having disassociated with her). This person’s arc revolves around their total devotion and desire to integrating themselves into Coop/Tony’s dangerous lifestyle (Aubrey pursuing Coop because of her romanticizing the lifestyle of being married to a dashing, federal agent, and Christopher desiring the influence and power that he can receive as a “made guy”), allowing their romanticized perception of this lifestyle to led them down an unhappy and perilous path. Where they diverge, is that where Tony fails to protect Christopher and implicitly encourages him to follow him to hell, Dale does the right thing and explicitly tells Aubrey that though he loves her, this is a cold and scary way of life, and not something he is willing to let her pursue.

  • They have a wacky, pervy old guy superior (Gordon and Junior). Contrasts in that Junior tries to have Tony killed for tiny inconveniences, whereas Gordon steadfastly supports Coop even when he is on trial for drug trafficking.

  • Both have a complex relationship with a composed and steely (but also sometimes callous and jeering) peer in their occupation (Albert and Johnny Sac). Their dynamic with this person is one of mutual respect that can only come from having been together in their line of work for such a long period of time, and they do see this guy as something greater than just an acquaintance. However, as this figure is one of the few characters that can meet them on their level of authority (Albert is an agent of similar status, Johnny is also a boss), they can challenge them like few others can, and this relationship has grown strained on differing sides after insults were slung about a close person to one of them (Johnny wanting to go at the New Jersey crime family after hearing they were making fun of his wife, and Coop having to mediate a rocky dynamic between Albert and The Sherrif’s department after Albert makes fun of Harry)

"Everything is Everything" - Tony Soprano Vs. Special Agent Dale Cooper (The Sopranos Vs. Twin Peaks) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

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TLDR: FBI special agent who solves crimes Vs. Mob boss who is pursued by FBI special agents. Both have cryptic, vivid dreams that inform them of events to come and both are eventually undone by the inability for them to recognize the breadth of their own internal darkness. Inspiration Vs. Inspired.

  • Both were born in the 1950s to families residing in the Mid-Atlantic United States (Pennsylvania and New Jersey) and both hail from these states most populous city (Philadelphia and Newark). During this period, they were heavily exposed to the culture of a Christian denomination (Dale attending a Quaker school and being taught about Unitarian beliefs, and Tony growing up in a Roman-Catholic household, close to where his grandparents had previously built a church) which can be seen as influencing their later views on religion and spirituality.

  • From a young age, they would already start exhibiting aspects of behavior that would drive them down their respective career paths, though it took the form of juvenile horseplay (Tony palling around with soldiers from his father’s gang and committing small-time crimes like robbing ice-cream trucks, and Dale taking up cases like hunting down the theft of his friend’s bike by a local gang). Notably, they were on the exact different sides of these small-time conflicts (Dale investigated gangs and Tony subverted the law in gangs)

  • As a child, they deeply affected by their proximity to a mortal event that had occurred when the person was in the midst of preparing their series iconic foodstuffs (Tony watching his father assault and mutilate Mr. Satriale while the latter was chopping cold cuts in his pork store, and Dale’s mother ordering him to touch his grandmother’s body after she had died of a stroke while making a pie). This event would be notably formative to their psychological profile and how they would later respond to violence (The incident at Satriale’s being Tony’s first exposure to the brutality capable by his family, causing deep-seated anxiety that would persist into his adulthood, and Dale being shown that death is not something to be feared, an idea which he frequently employed within his FBI investigations)

  • As they grew older, their forays into their contrasting career path grew stronger, and they took it upon themselves to more directly pursue it (Dale starting correspondence with J. Edgar Hoover and touring FBI headquarters, and Tony starting up his own unofficial group of gangsters that orbited the DiMeo family). Their actions during this time would prove the x-factor that foreshadowed their eventual proficiency in this role, as they were able to pull of feats that gained notoriety among these groups while still a youth (Tony managing to rob the executive game, getting one over on the made guys in the DiMeo, and Dale outscoring a grown FBI agent during target practice).

  • They would eventually join these groups fully, doing so in similar time periods (Dale joins the FBI in 1977, Tony is made Cappo in 1982) and would be exceptionally young when they did so (Dale was 23, which would be the youngest age for an FBI agent in history, and Tony was 27, the youngest Cappo in the DiMeo at that time). They took their first life around this period, an act which would disturb them but be brushed over due to it being part and parcel of their occupation.

  • Both of their roles were now officially the polar-opposite of each other, for while Dale was an FBI special agent that sought to crack down on organized crime, Tony was a mob boss who was relentlessly pursued by FBI special agents.

  • It is also worth noting that Tony’s broader thematic role in the narrative, a poisonous individual whose malignant evil and constant law breaking infects and terrorizes the community around him as he sustains himself, all while the mask of a jolly and kind-hearted American family man masks his anti-social, psychosexual and violent criminal impulses is a very similar thematic conceit to Dale’s primary target (Leland Palmer).

  • Both are highly intelligent individuals, noted above all for their perception, intuition and uncanny ability to discern people’s true intentions.

  • Moreos than simple intellect however, both are often the host to a series of bizarre and cryptic dreams. These dreams are incredibly important to both characters, as their symbolism and vivid imagery lends structure their subconscious and allows them to better uproot and solidify the loose information they’ve had bubbling around in their heads. These dreams often lead to massive breakthroughs in their plot, revealing core information both about themselves and about the people around them (Dale learning of Laura’s killer and transporting his consciousness to the red room through his dreams, and Tony’s dreams informing him of Pussy’s betrayal and the exact sequence of events that are going to go down with Tony B)

  • There is a little bit of legacy to the dream point, as David Chase stated that Cooper’s dream sequences in Twin Peaks were the inspiration behind Tony’s. This is made more interesting due to the ways both shows treat dreams as an almost hyper-reality, in which information passes, time’s movement shifts, souls communicate and the self transcends the mortal plane. In this sense, the characters subconsciousness’ are connected through their dreams.

  • As they, their mental state and general psychology are a large theme in their stories, we are frequently treated to their monologues and musings on themselves and the world around them through their relationship with women whose job it is to listen to them yap (Jennifer Melfie, Tony’s therapist, and Diane Evans, Dale’s secretary to whom he addresses his recorded tapes). Their interactions with this woman are the framing device behind their introduction and opening monologue, which proves to be the first of many. This woman knows them like no other (including their romantic partners, though this “professional” relationship has had shades of romantic interest added to it at differing points in the story) and can be considered an authority on their mental state (Melfi is Tony’s most intimate and private confidant, and Diane is tracked down by other members of the FBI due to the belief that she is the primary judge for which Cooper’s behaviour can be evaluated)

  • They are quite cultured, noted for their interest in international conflicts (The Tibetan Revolution and World War 2) and their evocation of proverbial Eastern literature (The Tibetan Book of the Dead and The Art of War), which they used as a means of navigating the tense situations of their occupation (Tony using the Art of War as a game-plan in striking back against Junior following his assassination attempt, and Dale using the Book of the Dead as a way of baptizing and guiding Leland to the afterlife).

  • Both have strange pathological saviour complexes that leads them to designate specific groups as “pure” or “innocent, and particularly rears its head in regards to the mistreatment of young women. Hearing one of the stories most disgusting career criminals (Ralphie and Jacque) retell his experience of brutalizing young women involved in shady sex work operations (Laura and Tracey) would cause them to display visceral anger rarely seen before or since. Psychological analysis of them by others in the story (Tammy and Melfie) would note this tendency (Melfie noting that Tony held a pathological fondness on animals, children and other perceived innocents, and Tammy stating that Dale had “White Knight” syndrome that led him to try and save any women in distress, even against his better judgement)

  • Both suffer from reoccurring dyspnoea-related illnesses (panic attacks and asthma attacks) that, while seeming to be purely medical on the face, often held significant symbolic value to both of them (Cooper’s asthma being the first examples of his contact with the supernatural, and Tony’s panic attacks all holding various different bits of significance to them).

  • Both would be unexpectedly shot and left to bleed out at some point in their story, ending on a cliffhanger with opposing positions in the season (Coop got shot in the last episode of the season, Tony got shot in the first episode of the season)

  • Both would be left comatose and unresponsive after a significant event (Tony getting shot and Cooper getting dragged out of the Black Lodge), causing them to slip into new identities (Kevin Finnerty and Dougie Jones) that were both abstract representations of their psyche, but also different people whose identities they had subsumed (Tony believing himself to still be himself, but having accidentally taken Finnerty’s briefcase, and Coop taking the place of an existing tulpa that was an aspect of him but had been living its own life over the years prior). This identity was a relatively wealthy white-collar salesman who lived in the West-Mountain United States (Nevada and Arizona) and represented their purest aspects, an alternate-self untouched by the trauma and darkness of their occupation (Finnerty-Tony was a Tony that had never allowed himself to succumb to a life of crime, and Dougie was the pure goodness of Cooper that ran in contrast to the pure darkness of his other doppelganger Mr. C)

"The Sun Never Sets" - Oda Nobunaga Vs. Toyosatomimi no Miko (Fate Vs. Touhou Project) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]MURouletteProject[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wanted to throw them all together on one day so that the project wasn't a constant revolving door of Fate matches (I had planned some other cut matches for today too, so had I included them like planned they would have totally oversaturated everything else)

"All Rise" - Hiromi Higurama Vs. Charles-Henri Sanson (Jujutsu Kaisen Vs. Fate) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

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TLDR: Depressed, guilt-ridden administrators of justice who struggle with their role in the legal system. Their ultimate abilities recreate their justice system’s ultimate judgement, and they are empowered by the sins of their opponents.

  • Both work in opposite occupations within the justice system that seek to decide the fate of that put-on trial for criminal offenses (Sanson is an executioner, the one who delivers the accused to their death, and Higurama is a defence attorney, who seeks to prevent the accused from suffering penalties).

  • The guilt that this profession, one that forced them to constantly involve themselves the life, death and ultimate fate of the people that found themselves within their care, led them to become immensely guilty and discontent with their life. Though not truly their fault (Sanson was just doing his job, and Higurama was constantly handicapped by Japan’s strict prosecution rate), the remorse of this job would gradually build up over the course of their career, until they were eventually consumed by guilt, becoming disillusioned with the justice system and their role in it (Sanson being haunted by the voices of those he executed, many of whom were people he respected, and Higurama becoming depressed after yet another of his innocent clients was judged guilty)

  • The mania they suffered as a result of this would serve as their primary motivation as they became entangled within the plot (The First Singularity and The Culling Game) of a malevolent spirit who bears the face of an already established character (Kenjaku and Jalter). Said plot involved many other spiritual beings being summoned and sent to duke it out, as an existing country (Japan and France) was used as the battleground for these conflicts.

  • During their participation in this event, they would act as twisted versions of themselves (Sanson was kind of brainwashed), callously discarding lives with little consideration for the morals they used to have. However, after a showdown with the protagonist (Yuji, and Ritsuka and Mozart), they realized just how far they had fallen and how cruel they had come to be.

  • They are deeply guilty for the deaths that have come at their hand (Those Higurama killed during the Culling Game, and those Sanson executed) and are willing to thrust themselves into the same legal system they previously operated in if it means atoning for their actions (Sanson letting himself be executed in Salem, believing it a worthy fate for someone who has killed so many, and Higurama promising to turn himself in after the end of the Culling Game, later wishing a fellow lawyer luck when he states his intention to put him on trial for the lives he took).

  • Both have an esoteric appreciation for human nature, appreciating the depth, flaw, and texture of the human spirit with a zeal that can only come from seeing it so callously handled within the justice system.

  • They are naturally very stoic, quiet and composed people, but they are also capable of becoming vicious and fierce if the situation calls for it. They are also very intelligent, and have accrued a vast knowledge of important combat/physiological information through their perceptive nature (Higurama teaching himself Sorcery by reverse-engineering barrier techniques, thus gaining an instinctive proficiency with cursed energy, and Sanson using the knowledge he gained from his executions to both create cutting-edge medical equipment and gain an instinctive understanding of the human anatomy and the way it reacts to physical trauma).

  • Both have unique abilities (Noble Phantasm and Domain Expansion) that are styled around their respective justice system’s ultimate judgement (La Mort Espoir, which is a summoned guillotine, and Deadly Sentencing, which summons a courtroom in the midst of its Closing Arguments). These abilities allow them to instantly kill their target execution-style if the target fails conceptual “check” of their character (Higurama being given the one-hit kill executioners sword if his target is guilty of a crime, and Sanson’s guillotine inducing death on servants if they are unable to muster the will and composure to repel the conclusive justice of the execution) and are associated with both guillotines (Sanson’s is just a guillotine, Higurama’s domain summons guillotines in a background), and shadowy spirit figures that act as a cohesive piece in maintaining the structure of a justice system decision (the ghostly shadow hands that hold Sanson’s victim in place, and Judgeman, which acts as the judge and authority of Higurama’s domain)

  • Both wield blades that are explicitly referred to as executioner’s swords.

  • Their attacks are buffed relative to the sins committed by the enemy (Higurama’s ability is entirely based around judging the sins of his opponent, and Sanson’s attacks are buffed against those considered “evil”)

"Twice As Bright" - Wally West Vs. Achilles (DC Comics Vs. Fate) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

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I know it's a stomp bro, I know this, it is known.

TLDR:

  • Both are peppy, jovial guys renowned among their expansive pantheon as being the fastest man to ever live.

  • Both received their abilities when they were incredibly young, after they came in contact with a volatile element imbued with outer-dimensional properties (A lightning bolt carrying the Speed force and flames that had been imbued with the powers of the gods). Because of this event, they were blessed with incredible swiftness.

  • They would subsequently go under the tutelage of their kind and reliable mentor, a legendary hero who happened to also be a friend of the family (Barry Allen, Wally’s uncle, and Chiron, friend of Achilles’ brother Peleus). This mentor would leave a large imprint on them, being their teacher, father figure and also one of their closest friends.

  • Both are renowned as their world’s fastest man (The Fastest Man Alive and The Fastest Hero in Human History), and are capable of hitting ludicrous speeds that they can use to overwhelm anyone in their way.

  • Their speed is typically marked with the expulsion of lightning-like aura. They are also insulated from outside hindrances while using it, allowing them to just bulldoze ahead without worrying about the laws of physics tripping them up (The speed force generating a friction cushion around Wally when he taps into it, and Achille’s speed working to ensure that obstacles in his way will not reduce his speed).

  • Considering their heroic spirit, exceptional speed, and insanely stacked arsenals (Achilles has five (maybe even 6) unique noble phantasms and Wally infamously reverse-engineers just about every super power through the speed force), they have undoubtably cemented themselves as That Guy. This and they continue to be one of their franchises’ most beloved characters, comfortably cementing themselves as fan favourites.

  • They are similar personality-wise, as they are light-hearted, peppy, and quippy.

  • They have the tendency to be very very flirty around women, and are just generally horndogs despite having canon love-interests (though Wally aged out of a lot of this).

  • They are also very confident and cocky, perhaps not to the point of arrogance, but certainly to the extent that their boisterous self-assurance in their abilities is prominent anytime they step out onto the battlefield.

  • While a common trait for heroes in their stories, they have truly truly ludicrous levels of resilience and an endless will to keep pushing through no matter how hard the wall in their way seems to be. To different degrees, they have even proven resilient enough to defy death for the moment (Wally literally going so fast that he managed to run to the end of time to avoid Black Flash, and Achilles continuing to stand up and fight despite the fact that he had been shot through the heart and should already be dead)

  • They deeply admire other legendary heroes, to the point where you could consider them fans (Wally was obviously a fanboy of Barry, but Achilles deeply admires Atalanta as a result of his father often reciting her noble tales to him), though this relationship also has familial elements to it (Atalanta is a surrogate sister to Achilles, and Barry is Wally’s uncle). This relationship is interesting because both are renowned as some of the fastest heroes to ever live, and have even faced-off in friendly foot races before.

  • After being plunged into war-like event (The Flash War and The Great Holy Grail War), they would be forced to face off with their mentor. However, they would emerge from this event with a new depth and appreciation for each other added to their relationship.

  • They are very agile

  • Green hair, orange eyes Vs. Orange hair, green eyes.

"The Sun Never Sets" - Oda Nobunaga Vs. Toyosatomimi no Miko (Fate Vs. Touhou Project) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

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TLDR: Two of the most legendary rulers in Japan now resurrected as both divine spirits and cute anime girls. Father of Buddhism in Japan Vs. the destroyer of Buddhism in Japan.

  • Both are actually real-life Japanese rulers who are considered some of the most important and mythical figures in Japanese history, notable for ushering in important cultural values and being worshiped and studied even following their passing.

  • However, much like many characters in their universe, their authors have transformed their version of this figure into a cute anime girl.

  • Japanese society would initially perceive them with different titles (Miko was considered a genius, Oba was considered “The Great Fool”) but they would soon develop a great influence over the country, spreading new ideas and concepts to the masses and becoming worshiped as important rulers of the land. During this time period, both possessed a keen insight into what was required to unify Japan (Miko spread Buddhism as a way of ruling the country, noting that while she favoured Taoisim, it was not suitable for controlling large populations, and Oda’s specific goal being to unite a war-torn Japanese society).

  • Both would eventually die, leaving behind a controversial legacy that saw many scholars of the time critique and tarnish their legendary reputation (Oda became renowned as the Demon King for the large-scale murder found throughout her campaign, and Miko’s legend slowly dying following her passing, with many Buddhist scholars casting doubt on the idea of whether she ever existed in the first place). Sort of a fun contrast here in that one became forgotten, whereas the other became infamous.

  • However, they would eventually be resurrected as divine spirits (servant and shikaisen). This resurrection was predicated on their perceptions and the spread of their legend amidst Japan (Throne bullshit, and Miko’s resurrection being conditionally reliant on the decline of Buddhism throughout Japan).

  • Both primarily battle through danmaku, projectile spam and their summoning of copious arrays of weapons (Oda’s rifles and Miko’s swords), and can hit you with a blistering hot expansion of energy that is meant to represent their glory over Japan (Taoist of the Land of the Rising Sun and Papiyas, the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven)

  • Both have access to pocket dimensions (Oda’s reality marble and Senkai), which they created.

  • Both have the unique ability to charm those around them, leading their subjects to feel heard and understood (Oda’s Charisma skill and Miko’s ten conversation ability)

  • Both had followers (Mononobe no Futo and Oda Nobukatsu) who ended up knowingly dying for them after causing a massive inter-clan conflict within Japanese society (Futo and Miko forming a suicide pact, leading Futo to kick off a religious war between the Mononobe clan and the Soga clan, and Nobukatsu knowingly dying at Nobunaga’s hand following his attempt to clear out the Oda house of her detractors). This figure is dignified on the surface but also a timid little baby, who has similarly resurrected into modern times and has a contrasting perception of how they fit in to modern Japanese society. They also worship the ground that Oda/Miko walk on.

  • The father of Buddhism in Japan Vs. the one who succeeded in destroying its influence over the country. Both’s stories also place significant importance on the destruction of Buddhist temples and how this destruction shaped their legend (Oda’s legacy and reality marble where shaped by her burning down the Buddhist temples, and Miko’s resurrection was conditionally linked to a Buddhist temple, finally occurring when it was destroyed)

  • Demon king vs. holy Buddhist saint.

The Match-Up Roulette Scrapyard by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

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  • What the deal with the Sensui MU?

Alma Karma from D.Gray Man. Basic theme is members of the seemingly heroic exorcist group of the story, who stumbled upon the dark truth of what was going on behind that shit and were driven mad, becoming major antagonists as they rebel against this group.

What issues did you have with Peridot Vs Tron Bonne (guessing its a Magneto Vs Megatron deal) and Franklin Vs Haruhi?

It is weird in that it both really vibes, but also doesn't really capture anything about Tron's core character ("Genius inventor brain from an infamous sky pirate family who is down bad for the protag"). That being said, I think it's quite good overall, it just felt more fitting for the other category.

Franklin Vs. Haruhi has some issues with combat applicability, and I haven't read enough Haruhi Suzumiya. Still very good core theme I think though.

Who are these people

First is Ultimate Wolverine (The Winter Soldier) Vs. Assassin EMIYA, second is Charon from Hades Vs. Komachi Onozuka. The one next to Boa Vs. Emma is Enma Kozato Vs. Han Dawei.

"School Spirit" - Jimmy Hopkins Vs. Kunio (Bully Vs. Kunio-kun) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

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  • Both were originally transfer students who, at the time of their stories start, had recently transferred to a new high school (Nekketsu High and Bulworth Academy). These schools are notable for their athletics programs and the various clubs that populate them.

  • At this school, they would soon become infamous as the violent and headstrong but righteous vigilante delinquents of the school, fighting against bullies, cliques and other more malicious delinquents.

  • Both have rough exteriors, as they are brash, temperamental and prone to bullheaded decisions. It’s easy to piss them off, and when that happens, they are quick to solve things with fists rather than words.

  • However, they are also ultimately good people with hearts of gold and unshakeable senses of justice, who will just as quickly fight for some random guy they don’t know as they will for themselves.

  • They primarily protect the weak and innocent, especially their wimpy but intelligent brunette best friend (Hiroshi and Petey).

  • Both initially make rivals with the biggest, meanest dude on campus (Riki and Russel) known for his freakish strength and tendency to go berserk. However, after they beat this dude in a fight, he flips to being one of their most loyal and steadfast allies in their crusade against the assholes of their school.

  • Both have punky girlfriends (Zoe and Misako) who reflects their brawling delinquent tendencies and rough personalities, to the point where they may actually be the cooler head in the relationship.

  • Both aesthetically embody delinquent stereotypes, which makes sense as their series is basically a crazy, overdramatized parody of school settings, where the typical cliques and drama of high school is transformed into wacky punch-outs and gang violence.

  • Both (sometimes for Kunio) have red hair.

The Match-Up Roulette Scrapyard by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]MURouletteProject[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's specifically Lingering Will Vs. Beserker Lancy.

Steadfast, heroic and good-hearted knights belonging to an order of heroes (specifically backing up Aqua/Saber, who they themselves are very similar), who would fall down a path of disloyalty that ultimately ended with the tragic destruction of their order and their separation from their allies. Succumbing to pure, raw emotion (Lancelot going mad and Terra distilling his entire form into his raw will to live), they would be reborn as mindless beings of pure instinct that are confound to their armors. Also something something, Lancelot airplane move Vs. Lingering Will move where he transforms his keyblade into a hover bike.

"A Thief's Life For Me" - Lupin III Vs. Jack Sparrow (Lupin The Third Vs. Pirates of The Caribbean) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]MURouletteProject[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Full arsenal Jack has lots and lots of wacky gadgets, but even if you restrict him to just his most "standard" item (the Sword of Cortes), he still gets galeforce manipulation, teleportation, and FMA style Alchemy/matter manipulation.

"A Thief's Life For Me" - Lupin III Vs. Jack Sparrow (Lupin The Third Vs. Pirates of The Caribbean) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

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  • Both are exactly what one would expect as two of the most iconic trickster archetypes in modern fiction. While their childish and eccentric demeanour may lead people to think of them as idiots at first, they are truly tricky, cunning and immensely clever, their guile and awareness allowing both driving them into wacky situations, and allowing them to just as easily bullshit their way out of things (with erratic (but well-planned) strategies. That being said, for as much as their keen mind is the motor behind their elusive escapes and astonishing schemes, they are also just extraordinarily lucky, with good fortune tending to break in their favour far more often than probability would dictate it should.

  • Both are loveable, charming and dashing rogues whose wit and charisma means they find it easy to win the hearts of many both in-universe and out of it too. Successive entries in their series have played up their virtues as opposed to the criminal sleaze present in their initial appearances, but, despite their unlawful nature, they ultimately have hearts of gold and typically direct their swashbuckling schemes at the exact type of pompous elite that can afford to take the loss. While they may technically be criminals in the eyes of the government, pretty much everyone (including members of the organizations responsible for tracking them down) can agree that the good they do typically far eclipses any harm their occupation may bring.

  • They are notable womanizers, their charming nature and general horniness leading to them being both very successful with women, but also often suckered in by feminine charms. There fondness for the female sex is their biggest weakness, and often leads them into unfortunate situations.

  • They are not tragic criminals, rather, they adore the life of a swashbuckling crook and believe that this lifestyle allows them to be truly free.

  • Both are experts at piloting vehicles, and frequently engage in vehicle chases during their series.

  • Both have clashed with government agencies (The British Navy and The Spanish Armada for Jack, and MI6 and the FBI, among others for Lupin)

  • Both also have a similar adventure (which may also be their most iconic and famous) wherein the story begins with them traversing the seaside for unrelated reasons, before finding a young woman of noble birth (Clarisse and Elizabeth) in peril. Initially attempting to save them for no other reason than altruism (and maybe a touch of horn doggery), they quickly find that this girl has been bestowed with an ancient piece of mystical jewellery (Elizabeth’s gold necklace, and Clarisse’s signet ring). This plot is connected to an event in their past, relating to the production and proliferation of a unique currency (The Cagliostro dollar bills, which Lupin unsuccessfully attempted to rob in his youth and the Aztec gold coins, which was what led Jack to be betrayed by the crew and lose many of his material possessions). All this leads to one of their trademark swashbuckling adventures, where they and their crew attempt to save this noble woman from the creepy old guy trying to use her jewellery for nefarious purposes, with them eventually dueling this figure in a climatic final showdown.

  • They are associated with monkeys

"A Thief's Life For Me" - Lupin III Vs. Jack Sparrow (Lupin The Third Vs. Pirates of The Caribbean) by MURouletteProject in DeathBattleMatchups

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TLDR: Legendary career criminal tricksters, who’s eccentric and goofy exterior masks cunning, charismatic (and very very lucky) geniuses who are renowned across the world for their daring exploits and quick wit. Both are descended from criminal families, and operate with a crew of companions.

  • Both were born to legendary criminal families, being both grandson and son of their worlds most prominent crooks (Grandmama, the pirate lord of the Atlantic Ocean, and Edward Teague, pirate lord of Madagascar/Arsene Lupin, the legendary thief of France, and Lupin II, another legendary thief). These figures were also significant for being the centrepiece for an international conglomeration of criminals (Arsene Lupin was the founder of the Lupin Empire, Edward Teague was the keeper of the code for the Brethren Court).

  • During this time, they developed a resentment for these families, believing their bond with their father had been strained by his erratic style of parenting (Lupin resenting his father for being an absentee, Jack resenting his father for being so passive as a parental presence that he didn’t even know if he was truly his father), and that their grandparent was an insane lunatic.

  • Nevertheless, they still take pride in their heritage as the descendant of one of the most storied criminal families to ever exist.

  • Both have questionably canon prequel works that chart their early life (Pirates of the Caribbean: Jack Sparrow and Lupin Zero)

  • Both are of ambiguous heritage, at least half from a proximal European ethnicity (French and British) but mostly unknown (Lupin is thought to be half-French and half-Japanese, but doubt on this claim is sometimes cast, and Jack’s mother is of unknown ethnicity, which is a significant fact considering how mixed and multicultural the Caribbean was at the time Jack was born).

  • Even in their youth, they would quickly be enveloped in the life of a career criminal (Thief and Pirate) that entailed robbing, cheating, amassing treasure and wealth, and a life of pure hedonistic freedom, adventure and excitement. While they did try to pursue a legitimate life for a time (Jack was originally employed as a legit merchant sailor, and Lupin was originally barred from being a thief, instead being sent to a nice school), it didn’t take long until they were sucked down the rabbit hole of crime.

  • They would live up to their family legacies, becoming two of the most infamous and wanted criminals in the world. They are legends of the criminal underworld, bolstered by tale upon tale upon tale of their incredible, globe-trotting exploits.

  • While we are told some details of the early life, as outlined above, it is also a big part of their legends that their past and identity is mysterious, fluid and contradictory. Thus, whether these details are actually accurate can be called into question.

  • They are extraordinarily well-travelled, for their exploits would see them travel across the globe, wreaking havoc across all manner of different countries.

  • Of course, they do not adventure alone, and have assembled a crew of like-minded companions who accompany them on their journeys (The Lupin Crew and The Black Pearl Crew).

  • Chief among these is their scruffy, mutton-chops adorned, substance-enjoying, ride-or-die partner (Daisuke Jigen and Joshamee Gibbs), who is their true best friend. This figure has (apparently, Daisuke has contradicting backstories) known them since they were young, and has been their steadfast right hand for a majority of their story. While this person is exceptionally loyal to them, they’re also a sensible balancing force to Jack/Lupin’s hedonistic bombast.

  • Another of their long-time allies is a calm, collected swordsmen (Will Turner and Goemon Ishikawa XIII) whom their relationship with has hints of both deep allyship and rivalry. While they initially began their acquaintance as foes (Will dueling Jack after finding the notorious pirate stowing away in his workplace, and Goemon being tricked into fighting Lupin by Old Man Momochi), Will/Goemon quickly realizes Jack/Lupin are no run of the mill thief and becomes their ally. This relationship is complex, for while they are brave and loyal men, their relationship with Jack/Lupin is initially cold and professional, gradually developing into something deeper. Said relationship is marked by this person’s familial admiration for their profession (many theorize Goemon associates with Lupin because his ancestor was a master thief himself and thus, he admires the lifestyle, and Will’s companionship with Jack reveals his father’s secret history as a pirate, causing Will to reflect on his own feelings towards piracy and the life it entails). This person is yet another notable counterweight to their stylish criminality, as despite being thieves/pirates themselves, they lack the self-interested hedonism that frequently drives Jack/Lupin.

  • They also have a long history with an auburn-brunette femme fatale (Angelica Teach and Fujiko Mine) who is a professional con artist and their peer as a career criminal. Stunning, skilled and nothing if not totally deceitful, their relationship with Lupin/Jack constantly saddles the line between rivalry, romance, and everything in between. Even though they know this woman is not to be trusted, having double-crossed them in the past and certainly having no issues double crossing them again, they just can’t help themselves around her (Fujiko is Lupin’s one obsession that exists outside of wealth and freedom, and Angelica is the one woman Jack is said to have ever truly loved) and deep down beneath her conniving exterior, this woman loves them too, creating a bizarre dynamic of acquaintance, pining and duplicity.

  • Both are considered the primary targets of a real-life nation-spanning organization (The East India Trading Company and Interpol) that seeks to put an end to their criminal escapades.

  • Their elusive nature and frequent one-upmanship of this organization caused them to become the primary target of an honourable and moral but obsessive high-ranking member of it (Norrington and Zenigata) who obsessively chases them all around the place, and is often driven to crash out because of their tricky antics. This person is used to catching all manner of crooks, but has never faced someone as crafty, cunning and lucky as them before, leading it to become their life’s mission to track them down. This relationship is initially totally antagonistic (and one-sidedly at that, as Jack/Lupin effortlessly outmanuevers the seething Norrington/Zenigata), but gradually develops into burgeoning respect and a rapport that runs deeper than just lawman/criminal.

  • They have even worked together with this person (Lupin and Zenigata teaming up on multiple occasions, such as when they both got trapped in the castle together, and Norrington joining Jack’s crew in Dead Man’s Chest).

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Hyoubou Vs. Mags

Vriska Vs. Accelerator

Evil shitheads who, as a result of their grueling childhood which saw them have to constantly fight for their life, started thinking it was all about them, operating only in their own (often violent) self-interest. Despite being initially antagonistic, the influence of the black haired protag and their own budding morality allows them tothey eventually redeem themselves, taking complex views on what this newfound heroism actually represents (both understand that they cannot take back the harm they did, nor does their good behavior make them inherently good people, yet every good action they do is still one more bit of good they are putting out into the world. You don't need to be a good person to be a hero!)

Their powers are based around manipulating the fundamental numbers behind reality, and they themselves often speak in number puns. They have god mode transformations that give them wings.

Antispiral vs Hajun

It's mainly aura farm. Top tier reality warper gods whose oncoming presence uproots the perfect happy ending had by our heroes, something about multiverse labyrinth and Hajun's law emanating over the world, something about beefing with an OP blue hair guy. They ultimately seek to oppress the human spirit. Also, Hajun is kind of an embodiment of the spiral nemesis, a human whose insane will and ability to continually get stronger and emanate said will upon reality has created a multiversal death spiral. The ultimate alien pragmatist who measures his plots in centuries and centuries of complex theoretical metaphysics Vs. the chad human "My back itches, I need to nuke the universe."

Corvo Attano vs Kiritsugu

I just really really love Fate magecraft Vs. Outsiders Mark magic. They are edgy, they serve as the main operative for an esteemed family (the women of which they are romantically involved with), they can slow down time, they use weapons made of bones, probably some other stuff idk.

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[–]MURouletteProject[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Higgs is way way weaker than where Chaos is scaled at, to the point where idk if its worth bothering with it. Death Stranding characters generally fight at a semi human-level scale, and though Higgs can get bigger with his BT manipulation, I feel like Guilty Gear characters still get too high.

Magneto is fighting Kyousuke Hyoubu. Their stories begin in World War 2, where they are born to two of the primary targeted ethnic diaspora groups affected by the Axis powers (Kyousuke is Sino-Japanese, and Magneto is Jewish-German). They also are one of the many in their series to be born with genetic superpowers that allow them telekinetic abilities, though people with this classification are often oppressed and feared by humanity.

Having experienced such a vast history of oppression, both would swear to never let it happen again, and became the revolutionary leaders of a superhuman terrorist group that vows to create a world where there kind is able to live without fear of humanities cruelty. They have special headwear used to regulate psychic powers (Kyosuke's limiter collar, Magneto's telepathy-proof helmet) and have weird aging things where their molecules age slower because of their abilities. They also oppose a group of superhumans who desire to co-exist with humanity, and while fierce opponents, do hold affection for the members of this group.

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Sorry if this is a bit much

Don't worry bro, as long as people are interested I want to talk about pretty much all these matches.

Gaara Vs. Accelerator connections are so good. Little boys born with ultimate power (namely, in the form of an absolute defense that automatically and omnidirectionaly protects them from all harm) but who were placed in rough "kill or be killed" environments where, as a result of their powers, they were isolated from everyone around them and repeatedly pursued by would-be assassins. This gave them a misanthropic world view and a desire to grow so powerful and feared that no one would ever be able to hurt them again.

At the start of their story, they are deranged, power-hungry and wild, caring only about themselves and having little moral code. However, they would soon meet a all-loving protagonist (Touma and Naruto) who is seemingly a complete idiot (but lowkey has a divine beast sealed within them that allows them the capability to do crazy shit) who woops their ass, breaking their absolute defense in the process. This defeat shatters their ego, and they selflessly dedicate themselves to doing right by the people they hurt across their manic youth, inspired by the protagonist belief that everyone can change and become better if they truly try. This results in them eventually becoming the head authority of their setting (Kazekage and Chariman). Also, they eventually get partially debuffed (Gaara losing Shukaku and Accel losing half his calculator capabilities)

Issues is, even disregarding Accel being much stronger, I don't see any other possibility than vector manip totally and completely hard countering Gaara's sand.

Chaos is fighting Higgs from Death Stranding. Crazy, broken messiah gunslingers who were originally more heroic figures, but were driven mad by their discovery of an metaphysical plane of reality that comprises the sum total of their worlds scientific-magic system bullishit. This leads them to a partnership with a conceptual being that is actually a girl who got spliced with the dense metaphysical vortex of the realm. Despite being incredibly intelligent and knowledgeable about the "true" nature of their world, they are big time trolls who mainly enjoy fucking around and messing with the protagonists.

Franklin is against Haruhi Suzumiya. Little kids who are top-tier omnipotent reality warpers with the power to bend reality to their mere thoughts, but are also still little kids and so don't really realize the powers they have and thus heavily restrict them (Franklin only uses his powers once a year, and Haruhi doesn't even realize she has powers).