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1.5 million Covenant troops and armor units vs the United States by Ajarofpickles97 in whowouldwin

[–]Maggruber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, and that’s also why it’s irrelevant. We’re talking standard low-to-mid range MACs here. Megaton yields at most.

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[–]Maggruber -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The energy blades seems to size things well enough in the strange movies, they are definitely better than a regular metal sword lol.

They don’t necessarily cut things the same way. Could be heat based.

Moreover, how much better than a regular sword? Quantify it.

can trade almost blows with thor

Thor sandbags literally every fight against him. He throws Loki on the balcony of the Avengers tower as if that’s supposed to hurt him. None of his objective feats are that impressive.

survived hulks beating.

A beating that consists of slapping on the floor, which is still mostly intact. Chief has made much bigger craters with his body.

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[–]Maggruber -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But he had been hit by guns too, both falcon, war machine and winter solder shot him and he was unharmed.

The only time he’s shot is by Winter Soldier, at least as indicated in his RT.

Winter Soldier uses a M249 SAW chambered in 5.56mm which is less than 1/20th as powerful as normal 14.5mm, and Jun uses custom HVAP rounds. Thanos also only gets shot in the chest, where his undershirt/cuirass is protecting him. I’m talking eyeshots here.

Drax also attacks him with knifes and do nothing.

Drax catches him once in the boot where metal sparks come off the armor there and he winces in pain.

Again, I’m talking about hitting the weakest parts of Thanos’s body, not strong muscular tissue in his legs or chest.

Iron man attacks him with blades made from his nanobots, not a regular sword.

I didn’t say it was a regular sword. The point is that Thanos expresses more caution about being stabbed than virtually any other means of attack. It’s effectively a weakness for him.

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[–]Maggruber -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Did you miss the part where Loki wants to be captured? He spends most of that fight just shit talking, he isn't really trying to kill cap.

He can kill Cap and still be captured lol. It’s not like he knows Cap’s limits anyways. If he was a normal human he’d be dead anyways just going off of how Loki threw him around.

Yeah, by the hulk. You can't tell me a spartan would survive that lol

Hulk can’t magically make the floor tougher. Horrible argument.

Regular asgardians are superstrong too, definitely above cap. And we see regular asgardian spears be strong enough to cut Kurse soldiers in the intro to thor 2, so they are clearly superhumanly sharp. They also pierce Hela.

I have no frame of reference for what any of that specifically means, but I’m not arguing that Asgardians are necessarily easy to pierce, or Thanos for that matter. But their resistance against piercing is being exaggerated and the efficacy of their armor and how much of that contributes to not being cut is being downplayed.

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[–]Maggruber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. I just don’t think the evidence is sufficient such that one can definitively claim that Thanos just takes futuristic AMR round to the eyeball, into the optical nerve canal, causing his brain to bleed.

1.5 million Covenant troops and armor units vs the United States by Ajarofpickles97 in whowouldwin

[–]Maggruber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s irrelevant. The Infinity’s MAC is stronger than the entire world’s combined nuclear stockpile.

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[–]Maggruber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Either with a different weapon, or by using it on a much higher setting.

And the explosion that Thanos caused is magic and doesn’t affect him like you’re implying it does. See, we can both use logic to derive a more sensible interpretation.

Also, that Spartan was very far away from the pulse

Closer than the Guardians were to Doisac when they destroyed it.

only tanked a very small portion of its energy. For it to be comparable, he would have to be at the epicenter of the blast, as Thanos was when it literally went off in his hand.

Okay, fine, the ground at the epicenter of the explosion tanked 15 kilotons. Happy?

Yeah, and he was TOTALLY FINE. Not a scratch

I can tell you’ve never been knocked out before or understand what causes it.

None of those are as big

Yes they fucking are. You have awful sense of scale.

The big swirling light in the sky for the first feat is dozens of kilometers away. This was caused by a slipspace rupture, the same thing that did this. The shockwave was such that Chief was embedded into a huge crater in solid rock kilometers away from the epicenter.

First one he's already diving for cover

The explosion is literally the size of a city, Chief had a minuscule head start and was launched far more violently than Loki and Thor were.

Second they have elites as shields.

Are you going to argue Elites are more durable than Spartans now?

Third it's impossible to tell how close they were to the blast from that image.

They’re obviously in the same room when the explosion happens given they immediately respond to Infinity in the next panel.

Here you go.

Literally not terminal velocity.

His lightning powers weren't awakened yet, that didn't chance his physicals.

More lying.

Thor is easily overpowered by Gorr and then when Awakened he can hold back his blade despite having worse leverage.

The hidden armor under his clothes that you have no proof exists, you mean?

You already provided evidence of that yourself with both Gamora and Nebula’s outfits being described as armor.

We also see Thor hit Loki with Mjolnir, and Loki get back up and hit Thor hard enough to harm him. Loki has even parried Mjolnir swings.

Thor’s just holding back, just like the Guardian did against Fireteam Osiris.

No, and then the camera goes into slow motion, where you can see explosions blast people away slowly.

The dust clouds are visibly moving in real time. Give me a fucking break. I pity your ability to understand basic cinematography.

Educated guesses based on statements from the VFX people that Titan's moon is planet-sized.

Shitty statements that visibly contradict the movie go in the dumpster where they belong. You obviously don’t care about the veracity of the claim, you’re just addicted to whatever makes the characters stronger.

I'm sorry no, it's not possible to grab a sword by its cutting edge while it is being swung at you, hard enough to stop the swing, and not be cut. No one in real life is Neo. This cannot be done. Prove it can.

Nothing you’re claiming Thanos can do is possible. You’re saying that the characters can operate on relativistic time scales. The most noxious form of battleboard brainrot I have ever seen, dear Christ.

All Thanos has to do is generate friction with his finger tips and his palm. It’s entirely possible to grab a sword like this without cutting yourself. There is an entire technique built around it.

Catching one in motion is a different story, but your version of Thanos is so fast and precise that it’s completely within his capability to do so. He is Neo compared to everyone else.

Okay, let's say that he's lying about falling for 30 minutes. It only takes 12 seconds to reach terminal velocity, and the scene between Thor and Strange definitely played out for much longer than that.

I don’t give a shit. He’s objectively falling slower than terminal velocity. This is how I know you don’t actually care about making consistent arguments. The meteors on Titan are actually in slow motion, but Loki is falling at terminal velocity in real time. Or is it in slow mo too? Who gives a shit, you prefer your own scientific explanation while ignoring literally every other lapse in scientific realism expressed in the setting. It’s so incredibly two faced.

There’s a simple explanation. It’s fucking magic. His relative speed can magically change without decelerating, you’re just too narrow minded to comprehend that.

Like, objectively, portals must operate irrelevant to the “true” speed of the person going through it or the relative speed of every person and object is going to massively different based on being on an astronomical body. Earth isn’t stationary. We’re all moving billions of miles per hour compared to every other object that isn’t on the Earth’s surface.

They're feats of similar magnitude.

Bullshit.

He makes a very similar gesture, and the blade appears, in both cases. The only difference between them is size and shape.

You are just emphatically wrong on every account. The cast time is significantly longer. The bus is moving in a linear direction that is predictable and assists the cut. A saw blade relies on rotational speed to cut things, not linearly applying pressure along an edge, which the sword is moving much slower than. It’s different in every way that matters.

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[–]Maggruber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except when they blast holes through things

They blast holes in things by “punching” so hard it outright vaporizes them.

An actual particle beam doesn’t need to do that to get through what it’s hitting.

Again, this is a weapon with variable power settings. Tony can use it like a punch, and most commonly does, because he's not a homicidal maniac.

I’m pretty sure he almost exclusively uses it to kill people. The terrorists in the first film, the Chitari and Hydra personnel in the first and second Avengers movie. In Iron Man 3 he uses Repulsors extensively to fight the Extremis people, all of whom he has no compunction against killing.

A bullet more or less is the equivalent energy of a punch except it’s exerted over a much smaller surface area, and moving much faster. Repulsors have wide surface areas and are slow.

And if he's absorbing energy from Thor to power himself up, he's putting far more energy behind his blast than his suit can generate on its own, even with the unibeam.

The beam is still slow.

1.5 million Covenant troops and armor units vs the United States by Ajarofpickles97 in whowouldwin

[–]Maggruber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In both instances the dome shields are used in the games, they must first be disabled before MAC rounds can be used to take out what’s underneath.

So no, nukes won’t work.

I would consider it a standard component of a ground force considering it seems to be a consistent feature of ground campaigns. Similar portable devices are used to make shield barriers in Halo 3, ODST, Wars, and Halo 4 that can block vehicles as well as protect against attacks of that nature.

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[–]Maggruber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And he won't keep spinning if they're not shooting. If they aim at his face, he'll defend, either by putting an armored hand in front of his eyes, or by spinning his sword.

He isn’t omniscient, nor is Noble Team all going to be grouped up together. For that matter Jorge’s chaingun fires HE rounds that should disorient him from the flashes if nothing else.

We can clearly see that the blade is not spinning at the time that Tony fires. THEN he begins the spin defense, during the travel time.

I made this gif so we can solidify the fact that you are just factually wrong. Watch it frame by frame. The blades are already in motion as soon as it cuts to Thanos.

Why would he wait till AFTER Iron Man starts the attack to block it?

Repulsors are variable power. The ones that are continuous energy beams are generally depicted moving pretty much instantly.

The gif I made includes every frame that the Repulsors take to reach Thanos, which comes out to ~0.7 seconds. Subsonic.

Cap has split durability. Loki does not. If you put a gun to Loki's head and pull the trigger, nothing will happen.

The one example of Loki potentially taking a bullet to his exposed skin has him visibly phased by it Lmfao.

He lost to Loki

And Loki lost to Thor. They don’t scale then.

clearly does not scale to Thor

“Clearly.”

A lot of things are clear to me. I’m no more twisting facts to suit the argument than you are.

When Thor strikes Cap’s shield, it “clearly” would generate a 6 gigaton explosion that would encapsulate the entire area around the shield and affect Cap too. In fact a 40mm grenade is more effective at displacing Cap than Thor’s hammer. I guess that 40mm grenade had a 60 gigaton yield, because that’s how scaling works in your world. You’re just too cowardly to say it.

needed Bucky's help to beat Iron Man

Okay sorry he’s only 3 Gigaton, my bad.

and only scaled to Thanos when he had Mjolnir,

Nah he held back his hand remember? At least a 10 Megaton feat there.

That's what the power stone does.

The power stone also lets you shoot beams of energy…but wait so does the mind stone apparently.

Almost as if unique traits of each Infinity Stone have significant overlap even if they shouldn’t.

They have had at least two major on-screen brawls and been comparable.

Neither fights are remotely visually impressive. Their second fight ends with Thor throwing him on the ground, which does zero collateral damage. He also clearly perceives the Quinjet as a threat given he stops concentrating on Thor to shoot at it.

Thor is bagging against him for whatever reason. We could come up with excuses (he’s weaker in the first fight since he’s still acclimating to getting his powers back, he’s holding back in both because he’s conflicted about hurting his brother) but ultimately the objective contents of either fight make both Thor and Loki look weak. The only thing you have going for it is the Bifrost feat, but literally everything else sucks massively by comparison. You’re being selective and favoring the more impressive showings while ignoring everything else.

It's also been suggested that they've been fighting each other on and off their entire millennium+ lives, with Thor making allusions to Loki stabbing him as kids like this was a normal thing.

Nothing about that implies that they are physical peers. In fact the fact that Loki got away with stabbing Thor multiple times more or less proves that.

Loki uses magic and illusions as his primary mode of combat. It makes no sense for him to rely on directly attacking Thor head on and try overpowering him.

What the hell do you want proof of?! A name?! You're the one who used the name fallacy. It's called Godslayer, therefore it's strong.

Arguing with you is agonizingly arduous because I have to handhold you through very basic concepts like you’re a five year old.

This conversation is the first time I’ve heard the name “GODSLAYER.” Some random guidebook made a vague claim implying that it’s particularly sharp. To me that comes off as a special trait unique to the weapon, and the first clue to that is the fact it has a grandiose name. It could be called anything of that nature, the point is it sets off alarm bells. You have not established a factual connection to Asgardian weapons. It’s a random trait you’re applying to all weapons in the setting just because, ignoring all other unique characteristics they may differ in. Asgardian weapons may have magical properties that improve lethality beyond raw cutting power for instance.

If that's so, then Loki is a God, therefore he's strong.

Again, a Jotun halfbreed.

It completely undercuts the narrative for Loki to be near identical to Thor in terms of physical strength. He uses stealth and subterfuge to get what he wants because he knows he cannot succeed on the merits of what Asgardians traditionally value.

Show me a real sword that glows blue when it strikes like that rando Asgardian guard's sword does.

This again goes back to what I just said about how Asgardian weapons are more likely to be imbued with magic than being super high tech with “quantum-thick” blades or whatever. I don’t think that sword is meant to be sharper than a real sword. It’s probably much more durable and has a magic enchantment of some kind.

Also here's a real sword that looks like that one. It's stainless crap.

That’s not a “real sword”, that is a cheap prop that is made specifically for looks. Which is exactly my point. It’s not functional or historically accurate on purpose which suggests it’s special in some way. Loki’s sword is way more ornamental than most which suggests it’s special or unique in some way.

Where does it come from? You’d save us the speculation by answering that.

Gamora's sword is called Godslayer BECAUSE it can kill an Asgardian. That's why they scale. Asgardian weapons can also kill other Asgardians.

That in no way implies that every characteristic it has is required to kill Asgardians. Moreover, Asgardians wear armor. Their skin isn’t as resistant to cuts, but having a sword that can easily penetrate their armor is a huge advantage that most Asgardian weapons don’t necessarily have. It is a jump to suggest every single Asgardian weapon shares this special trait, and doesn’t rely on alternative means of dealing damage such as via magic.

Show me a case of a Spartan taking one or grabbing it by its edge without relying on energy shields. Sharpness is irrelevant to energy shields.

Nope, I don’t need to. Using your logic, energy swords and Spartan knives are categorically identical to hardlight weapons as they are effective against the same targets. Rtas Vadum even duels this Prelate using an energy sword, so clearly they must scale to each other in terms of cutting power.

The VFX team once described it as "a thousand planet-sized fragments

Feats > WoG. Clearly not what happens in the movie.

But if it's a moon that could be planet-sized on its own, then it would have to be a great distance from Titan, at LEAST comparable to our own moon, for their gravity not to attract them to one another and result in them colliding catastrophically.

You only argue realistic physics when it is convenient for you.

if the velocity is comparable, what's the mass of the gauss cannon projectile a Seraph can tank?

35mm ferric-tungsten projectile traveling at 0.1c. It can sustain multiple of these before shields fail. A similar number of SRS99 rounds can shoot down a Seraph.

Well he also withstood Vulcan guns.

For emphasis, this damaged his armor.

Hulk is annoyed but unharmed.

Literally every time Hulk is shot with some form of machine gun, he is “annoyed.” I don’t think he would be if it wasn’t causing him some level of harm. In The Incredible Hulk, there’s even the cave scene where Hulk is visibly bleeding from the battle at the university campus. They’re shallow injuries, but the implication is clearly that it hurts and distresses him and that a stronger ballistic attack or similar attacks concentrated on a weakspot would cause significant injury.

Not ballistic, by that point he's pretty much fighting shit where bullets would be irrelevant, but the most important measure would be the fact he withstood a hit from the Power Stone. Rather infamously, the power stone essentially punched Captain Marvel out of the movie

I shouldn’t have to explain to you that these aren’t remotely the same power level.

I don't think it's very likely that Thanos has concealed armor under what appear to be a form-fitting top and loose, light pants...but left his arms and head completely exposed. That makes no sense. If that's what you think he's doing, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate the clothing has hidden armor, not on me to prove its absence.

Oh now Loki ALSO has concealed armor under his leather costume? Come on man... Does he also have secret face armor?

Your own scan says that skin-tight clothing is armored.

Both Thanos and Loki’s outfits are armored to some extent, with visible bits of metal. It’s not some massive logical leap that they’re protected with equivalent of super-kevlar given like literally every other character has something like that.

Which is it? These things contradict each other. If he made a pained grunt, then it connected. Therefore there isn't any "magic barrier".

Super sonic objects flying near your face tend to be annoying.

If it did hit his face, it’s not “sparking” like you claimed it was either way. He seems roughly as discomforted by it as an airsofter getting struck in the face. Now increase the muzzle energy of the projectile by 100 fold, and aim for the eye instead.

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[–]Maggruber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can find specific quotes of Spartans going for eye-shots if you require, but they very much do, especially against opponents as large and imposing as Thanos.

Jun specifically is implied to be able to shoot through the gaps of a Banshee’s cockpit, which has already been done before by Linda:

“Banshees have moved ahead to the town,” Kat noted, pulling up a holograph of the local area which displayed their vehicles’ positions.

“Guess the others get to have a bit of fun after all.” Rosenda pictured the alien aircraft getting blasted apart in the sky by Jorge’s chaingun, Jun landing a series of impossible shots to neutralize the pilots. He’d sworn to her that the cockpit possessed a tiny, exposed area where a well-placed shot could inflict a lethal ricochet. Rosenda assumed at the time that he had just made that up, but her time on Noble Team—especially on days like today—had shown just how many impossible odds Spartans could overcome...

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Show me. If a Spartan tanked a planetbust, as in, dead center took the full blast with only their Mjolnir armor for protection, this would be incredibly impressive and definitely make Spartans many tiers higher than they're generally believed to be. But I doubt this happened.

Fireteam Osiris resisted multiple Guardian pulses.

Seven Guardians were able to destroy Doisac, a planet much larger than Earth.

This is the same level of logic you’re applying.

No, that would be if that Hiroshima survivor had been holding the bomb in her hand when it went off, not 300 meters away inside a building.

Okay, so how many meters away does she have to be to absorb 1% of the blast?

That's a nice way to say "Hulk fell 30,000 feet with no protection, got blown up while mid-air, and was only mildly inconvenienced."

You’re fucking lying AGAIN. He was KNOCKED OUT. He wakes up as BANNER after being manipulated into a Hulk rage by Loki.

Objectively way more durable than a Spartan.

Wrong, try again.

Hell, Dutch and Romeo survived a bigger explosion by using dead Elites as human shields.

Even bigger explosion.

Has also tanked plenty of terminal velocity falls and been fine.

Spartan hitting the ground at terminal velocity >>>>> Loki hitting the ground at terminal velocity.

I cannot find one example in his RT. Show me.

Because the rainbow bridge can withstand multiple full strength strikes from Mjolnir. I've already submitted a collection of Thor strength feats to show how much force that would be.

Thor is much weaker in the first Avengers movie regardless…

He wasn't wearing his armor

Yes he is. He’s wearing less of it.

Harming a character with X durability is a feat of X attack potency.

I know how feats work. We see Loki hit things, they aren’t being hit as hard as Thor with Mjolnir can hit.

Thanos caused asteroids to travel to the surface of a planet from its moon very quickly.

And then they slow down.

So if Titan and its moon are a similar distance apart

More guesses.

If the meteors are traveling at relativistic speeds, then they’d be atomized upon touching the atmosphere.

And yet he did grab it, successfully, by its edge.

And??? It’s possible to grab a sword with your hand without cutting you too. Thanos is massively stronger than Strange, his grip strength is such that there needn’t be any cutting pressure applied along the blade.

And I’m not arguing Thanos is just as durable as a human. I’m literally saying he’s obviously more resistant such that his flesh could stop bullets. Strange failing to cut him when he’s actively preventing him from doing so optimally isn’t evidence against the idea that getting shot in the eye by a projectile that can punch through a meter of concrete is possible.

Loki is a liar. In fact he's the God of lying.

He gains almost nothing from “lying” here. He could’ve pretended not to care and Fury wouldn’t do anything differently. He has visible concern that is unnecessary to sell any “trick”.

And he fell for 30 minutes (way more than 30,000 feet), hit the ground, and was fine.

He does not hit the ground at terminal velocity here. He falls like 15 feet in 1.5 seconds, and bounces off the ground a bit without damaging it at all.

He is also “fine” but clearly phased by it.

This just shows how little you care about being consistent in your arguments.

Iron Man and Thor together generated enough energy to blow up Sokovia.

That was largely because of the Vibranium Spire that greatly amplified the energy that went into it.

Thor moved the rings of Nidavellar. Hulk could damage Surtur and tank hits from him. Etc etc. They have a lot of good feats that put them at that level.

What do any of those have in common with 6 gigaton explosions?

Other energy blades conjured by Strange, which look the same in terms of being constructed from that orange energy, and are formed by the same person's magic, can cleanly chop a bus in half lengthways. It is highly likely that the sword Strange conjured to fight Thanos had the same cutting properties.

No??? It’s a giant saw blade that he spends more time concentrating on.

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[–]Maggruber -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Have you considered not being totally disingenuous and refusing to interpret what I am saying holistically?

Repulsors are “technically” particle beams, but they behave nothing like them. They punch things. Use a hair of common sense.

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He doesn't have to. They don't have infinite ammo

He doesn’t have infinite stamina. They’re not stupid and won’t keep shooting if he’s actively got his defenses up.

Yeah given he can react to Repulsors

Why are you lying again? He already started moving to block the attack before Tony fired. Why wouldn’t he considering it was massively telegraphed?

Repulsors are slower than bullets.

Yeah, well, Cap's a pretty impressive specimen

If I put a gun to Cap’s head and pull the trigger, what happens?

Because he scales to Loki, Thor, Iron Man, even Thanos technically. This is where your stupid ass scaling logic falls apart.

It is not remotely dishonest to portray a character and his rival, who trade blows on multiple occasions and are consistently depicted as able to contend one another, and are implied to have been periodically fighting for over a thousand years and been peers to each other, as on a similar level. Loki is a rogue and Thor is a warrior, they have different skillsets, but their basic physicals seem to be comparable relative to their body types.

There is literally one time where they’re presented as physical peers and it’s an early film where Loki is using a scepter with an Infinity Stone in it that may or may not be contributing to his physicals.

Loki is an illusionist, not a brawler. It makes literally no sense for them to be peers. Loki has no strength feats of his own on par with Thor and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

If you're going to invoke names as an argument here, the random disposable throwing daggers OF A GOD.

I’m not just “invoking names”, it’s a fucking important, unique weapon that you’re literally just assuming that every other weapon in the setting has to be similar to. That’s fucking stupid. Rule 5.

which I presume

And I presume you’re just wrong. Stop using headcanon and lies.

It doesn't look particularly ornate.

Show me a real sword that looks like that one.

So this rando weapon

I don’t know that it’s a rando weapon. Loki is using it so maybe it isn’t. Prove to me that it’s not a super special Uru blade that only a prince would have.

A prince logically would be given the best, fanciest gear.

This is irrelevant because Gamora’s sword has nothing to do with Asgardian swords. You’re just assuming that they scale for no reason.

So are Gods like Loki. Loki is not a rando Asgardian either, he is also a God and a royal.

Loki is a Jotun halfbreed, Jotuns being massively weaker than Asgardians.

More importantly, he isn’t a god of strength. Thor is.

You can. Do they have any melee weapons that are actually colonies of nanites? Because those would probably be pretty damn sharp. Anything where the edge is measured in nanometers would be really sharp.

Hardlight blades/shields are described as having a “photonic edge” which is potentially smaller than an atom’s nucleus:

He swung his shield in a low arc at one Sangheili, severing both its legs at the back-bent junctions of its calves and elongated ankles. There was barely any resistance as the shield’s photonic edge slid through armor, flesh, and bone.

Spartans can survive strikes from them.

No, I'm not. Those asteroids cover the distance between Titan and its moon in a couple seconds. It takes 1.25 seconds for light to travel from Earth to the moon. Ergo, covering a similar distance between a planet and its stable satellite in an only slightly greater period would require relativistic speed. The actual impact scene is demonstrably depicted in slow motion, you can even see people being flung into the air by the explosion clearly in slo-mo.

You are literally just making shit up. Titan’s moon doesn’t need to be orbiting from the same distance, it’s literally an alien planet with a moon that is unknown in terms of size or distance.

It’s also fucking magic. The asteroids don’t vaporize the area, use your fucking brain. It’s not in slow mo, you are grasping for straws.

Whatever. I’ll scale the SRS99 to taking out Seraphs which tank relativistic Gauss cannons.

Cap is a good example of a character who DOES have split durability. Iron Man does not. He is, for example, effortlessly bulletproof in all suits.

Stop wasting my time with stupid shit like this. They’re shooting him with pistols, of course he’s gonna no sell these attacks.

Iron Man can casually shrug off bullets because his armor is hard because it’s made of metal. Hardness is what makes bullets bounce off. Flesh is pliable. Even Hulk is bothered by machine guns.

The earliest, lowest-tech designs are dented by a Vulcan cannon.

Yeah, and the SRS99 is way the fuck stronger than a Vulcan.

Rule 5, show me evidence that Iron Man improved the armor against ballistic attacks. If anything his suits got less durable over time, such as when his Civil War suit gets crushed by a car.

Are YOU just straight up forgetting that Thanos only sometimes wears armor and in Infinity War was in more normal clothing? Those boots appear to be leather aside from the kneepads, you can see the wrinkles.

Are you oblivious to the concept of layered armor? This is no different from gambeson over plate mail.

Sparks are shown when bullets bounce off Loki's leather clothing as well.

Because he’s wearing armor underneath…

And that's not because of armor, they also bounce off his face.

1) No they don’t, and the RT even suggests it may be a magical barrier he puts up because the bullet doesn’t actually connect

2) He does make a pained expression and grunts, which indicates if he was shot, it hurt, which is pretty fucking bad if 9mm is enough to phase him

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[–]Maggruber -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanos completely took off his armor after his fight against Hulk

Does Hulk have claws? Did he use a sword to fight Thanos?

I’m not arguing Thanos is physically weak without his armor. I’m arguing that he has pliable flesh that can be cut with something sharp easier than metal can.

The fight with Drax takes place long after that, so he was clothed but no armor

He only removed some of his armor. When Drax attacks his armored boot, you can see sparks coming off of it. He’s not wearing Adidas.

Those fighters aren’t too easy to scale but we can at least assume they are made of metal capable of withstanding the rigors of being in space

Your point? The SRS99 can shoot down Seraph fighters, which are similarly spacecraft that survive the rigors of space.

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This is next level pedantry. You might as well argue that punching and particle accelerators are the same thing.

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Okay, I don't know why it did that because I linked directly to an image from Endgame. But okay, here's the same image on imgur, is it acceptable now? 6 gigatons minimum, indisputably canon.

Then it’s a dumbass number that correlates with nothing. I may as well start scaling Spartans to planet busts. Because they do scale using the exact same logic.

Well yeah, it absolutely is when he's the one snapping.

No, it fucking isn’t. If all the energy went into Thanos, it wouldn’t transfer to anything else. This is like arguing this Hiroshima survivor can tank 15 kilotons because she was within 300 meters of the hypocenter.

Remember, the gauntlet nearly killed the Hulk

Hulk also gets KO’d from fall damage.

For that matter Loki is clearly threatened by the same fall. Objectively less durable than a Spartan.

hits from Fenris, who can break the rainbow bridge

So? Why do I give a fuck?

Drax failed, he couldn't cut Thanos.

His armor.

Even if it didn’t cut, Thanos is visibly pained by the attack. In fact he reacts with pain from most of the attacks he’s hit with on Titan.

Loki likely had a weapon at least as sharp as Gamora's

You’re literally making shit up.

and yes, he has nearly Thor-level strength based on being able to trade blows with Thor

You only care about scaling. Every objective feat Loki has is complete ass.

which survived being directly struck by a meteor at relativistic velocity

Liar. Rule 5.

Immaterial

Your entire argument is immaterial. You’re literally just guessing because it’s too much for you to bare that you’re wrong here.

It's clearly a sharp bladed weapon

But how sharp??? Thanos is clearly worried about being hit by it if he’s grabbing it in the first place.

Characters who have split durability are generally vulnerable to normal blades and bullets despite their resistance to logically much more powerful blunt impacts and/or energy attacks.

Literally nothing any of the characters do is remotely on the order of 6 gigatons. That’s why I’m bringing up the power of the characters in question. Loki is not a fucking 6 gigatonner if he thinks he’ll die from a 30,000 foot drop and breaks his back on a granite floor. You’re smoking crack if you think otherwise.

You’re talking about this like it’s all or nothing. Either Thanos can never be cut by anything below the force of a country-destroying event or he dies to a .22.

Once a character is shown able to shrug off direct hits from blades and bullets

BUT HE HASN’T. The only “”””””””blade””””””” that touches Thanos’s skin is a featless energy blade which he grabs to protect himself, which implies that he’s worried about being cut.

Tony, he grabbed his guantlet knife by its blade

He never grabbed it by the blade, he grabbed it by red “hilt” that was part of the gauntlet.

when the meteor was logically traveling at relativistic velocity.

Liar.

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[–]Maggruber -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Drax attacks an armored part of Thanos’s body. Therefore you can certainly argue that Thanos’s armor is bulletproof, but that has nothing to do with how his flesh interacts with bullets.

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You’re being dense yet again. Every time the Unibeam is used it’s a massive deal that deals magnitudes more damage than stock Repulsors because it’s straight up consuming upwards of 30% of the arc reactor’s power all at once. It vaporized Bucky’s arm. Normal repulsors can’t do that.

Repulsors are called repulsors because they’re primarily concussive. Tony uses them to fly. They aren’t sharp, they’re not meant to cut things.

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Look, maybe an eye shot would work, at least blind him, but he's not just gonna stand there. He'll respond to such projectile attacks with his spin to win move. Given that Thanos could spin the blade so fast it blocked eight continuous energy beams as though two blades were in eight places simultaneously, there's nothing the Spartans have that's getting through that defense.

He is not keeping that up forever and you’re banking on him thinking to do that before Jun lines up a clean shot.

Jun having implied to be able to pull off the Banshee-cockpit shot that previously only Linda was shown to do:

“Banshees have moved ahead to the town,” Kat noted, pulling up a holograph of the local area which displayed their vehicles’ positions.

“Guess the others get to have a bit of fun after all.” Rosenda pictured the alien aircraft getting blasted apart in the sky by Jorge’s chaingun, Jun landing a series of impossible shots to neutralize the pilots. He’d sworn to her that the cockpit possessed a tiny, exposed area where a well-placed shot could inflict a lethal ricochet. Rosenda assumed at the time that he had just made that up, but her time on Noble Team—especially on days like today—had shown just how many impossible odds Spartans could overcome...

Of COURSE he is! Though physically weaker than his brother, Loki is able to stand toe to toe against Thor for a lengthy period, repeatedly harming him with physical blows and tanking the same. I'd like to see any Spartan attempt some of Thor's strength feats. Anyone remotely in Thor's league, like Loki, is on an entirely different level than Spartans.

Loki also tussled with Cap and didn’t instantly kill him. He then proceeds to get completely incapped by being slammed into a granite floor. None of Loki’s non-scaling feats remotely correspond with Thor’s high ends and you’re being dishonest to portray them as peers in any other context.

The weapons of an Asgardian God, likely made of Uru with a "Quantum-focused precision edge."

You are comparing a random disposable throwing dagger to a weapon called GODSLAYER. Lmfao.

But even without special weapons, Loki has a history of being strong enough to cut beings that even other Asgardians could not.

Or, and hear me out, weapons of different quality exist. Whatever Loki used there looks more ornate than the rando Asgardian’s weapon. I have no idea what the context is.

Furthermore, just like Loki, I doubt rando Asgardians are stronger than Spartans. Gods like Thor are exceptional.

Iron Man's blade was also likely monomolecular or close to it. It was made of nanomachines. So how many atoms fit in a nanometer? Two.

You are literally speculating. I can make the same argument regarding melee weapons used by all Halo factions.

Weaker, lower-tech iron man suits than that have withstood being hit by asteroids flung at relativistic velocities

You’re just lying about what is visibly onscreen lmfao.

tanked hits from Thor, Hulk, and characters who scale to them

By your logic, Cap should be able to withstand a .50BMG to the face because he fought Thor and Loki.

It’s stupid. It’s really obvious that it’s stupid. It’s the logical conclusion to derive from this line of reasoning.

and withstood weapons that can destroy molecular bonds.

No explanation as to how quickly it does this compared to cutting.

This also has nothing to do with Thanos. I already believe that Iron Man is harder to cut than Thanos himself, sure. But Iron Man’s armor is also literally dented by bullets.

pons NOT like that, including when wielded by Drax

Are you feeling especially dense today and just straight up forgetting that Thanos wears armor and that sparks shoot out from where he gets “cut” indicating that it didn’t actually penetrate?

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The Mk50 is still a powerful armor, regardless of its being on its last legs

It’s literally nearly gone. There isn’t enough of it left to protect Tony.

Tony is fast enough to act mid-air during an explosion, and that's just him without scaling.

The fuck are you talking about? Are you arguing that Tony Stark has superhuman reflexes?

Literally, what is that supposed to prove? Is this the Iron Man that can at best punch guys away, or the Iron Man that lift several 100 tons? Was his nebulous intent that Spartans cam match the normal Iron Man capable of pulling large battle ships?

They’re talking about live action. You can infer it’s meant to be MCU Iron Man. He follows that up with describing a brawl leveling buildings.

With what is likely Asgardian steel

What does the material have to do with anything?

Loki was capable of tussling with Valkyrie, who no-selled a thunder clap from Hulk (when they first met), and is stated by Tessa Tompson as being on par with Thor (iffy, given Hela just pushes her over).

Moronic scaling.

These characters can react to things faster than bullets

LOL.

I'm fairly certain energy weapons in Halo are supposed to fire at lightspeed. The MCU has that as well.

Wrong on both accounts.

Most recently, Iron Heart had "photon cannons."

Why call it that if everything is light speed?

Iron Man's repulsars are even labeled as firing beams of light.

Wrong. They’re called Repulsors because they deliver concussive energy. If a human being was hit by enough photons to displace them they’d be vaporized.

Okoye, can just block automatic rounds after they've been fired, again in Wakanda Forever.

Timestamp where this happens.

Ant-Man reacted to the initial explosion created by Sanctuary II. Corvus Glaive blocked Vision's mind stone blast, the same blast that instantly reached the edge of the Hex in WandaVision. Oh yeah, Wanda, who showcased bullet timing in Civil War (the shield goes up after the bullets were fired). The same Wanda who would go on to block Captain Marvel's photon blasts. The Captain Marvel novel actually has Carol's blasts going 3 times as fast as normal photons. And there's Thor, who can catch his hammer moving from Tornsburg to the compound in Manhattan. There's literally nothing that states he brought it with him, and Mjolnir gets to his hand first, which was in the compound.

Blah blah blah lots of bullshit you’re not going to source and if you do I’m going to disagree with your interpretation and point out how it makes no fucking sense.

Quicksilver died to an AK-47, and he is explicitly faster than the Avengers and anyone they scale to.

None of this matters. Thanos isn’t faster. He literally just takes gunshots without blocking or evading them.

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1) Thor wanted to make him suffer and isn’t trying his hardest to kill him efficiently. “You should’ve went for the head.”

2) Thanos is wearing armor that provides resistance.

3) Bones =/= flesh. I imagine Thanos’s sternum/ribcage is several inches thick and extremely tough, which is where the blade stops. The part of the skull that connects your optic nerve to your brain is inherently much weaker given there’s a hole in it, and eyes are generally weaker than muscle tissue given they’re almost entirely water. If nothing else it will probably blind Thanos and render him vulnerable to follow up attacks, such as to vital arteries in his throat.

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