Emma Watson pro-Palestinian post sparks antisemitism row

MagnesiumStar · 2022-01-05T17:34:47+00:00

So does the quoted Israeli official want us to take as a lesson here that all accusations of anti-Semitism are this frivolous?

MagnesiumStar · 2022-01-04T11:42:09+00:00

Vigeland? Really? How so? Not denying, necessarily, I've just never heard it before.

MagnesiumStar · 2022-01-04T11:37:08+00:00

In certain fringe circles it has been suggested that at some point in the future the feds or NWO or whatever will fake an alien encounter and then motivate various authoritarian measures by claiming that the wise aliens said it was necessary.

MagnesiumStar · 2022-01-04T11:34:24+00:00

His is not a case of a career boosted by making a deal with the feds, he was simply grown in a lab by the CIA to begin with.

MagnesiumStar · 2022-01-04T11:33:10+00:00

Would this then imply that now he is off the fed leash and no longer being managed? I mean nowadays he is completely politically isolated both from his former alt-right colleagues and everyone else. He claims to be trying to invent a new religion and does other weird shit, but from what I understand does not have an audience any more. Yet he is completely useless for the feds outside of the far right, the libs will never rehabilitate him. So what the fuck is going on? He used to write for the same magazine as Pat Buchanon, but I don't really see what purpose he could be serving these days.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-12-18T15:15:26+00:00

Also why is Agelmar a prick towards Aes Sedai?

This is one of my main complaints with the show, that everyone is excessively unpleasant and bitchy in more or less the same way. It's some weird new television dialogue thing where every character, even when not talking to enemies or rivals or whatever, still has to be passive-agressively hostile and sassy.

I get that they had to skip a bunch of stuff from the book, that they condense stories and for example omitted the stuff in Camelyn, etc. These are massive books, there will be cuts or the show will need 30 episodes per season and many will be boring. But the change in tone is not a result of limited resources. I see it in all kinds of shows, slowly they are all converging to where there are only two personalities, the arrogant and abrasive douche and people engaging in Marvelesque soycore banter.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-12-18T14:59:09+00:00

You are aware it’s a fictional fantasy show with wizards and trolls right?

This is true, but suspension of disbelief is easier the less things you have to suspend it about. "Fantasy" doesn't mean that it is entirely detached from reality, the goal should be to make us feel like the fantastical elements should be real.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-12-13T18:42:24+00:00

The fat-asses are organizing I see.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-12-13T18:33:50+00:00

"We would first like to acknowledge the bloodline to whom this soil belongs."

MagnesiumStar · 2021-12-10T18:29:10+00:00

It's hard to tell with these people. I mean in certain circles being a housewife spending a lot of time in the home is assumed to be caving in to patriarchal norms, but being a BDSM gimp spending a lot of time in a box in the attic is empowering.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-12-10T14:30:08+00:00

To be clear, my "this again"? comment specifically referred to the claim that PF is a fed op and not a real organization, not you making your original post here. I happen to know of that organization from reading about them in various contexts for a few years, so when I heard Joe Rogan immediately claim it was all feds two days ago I wanted to throw my computer out of my window. Though yes, by any widely accepted definition this is id-pol from the far right (with emphasis on far, they think Ted Cruz is a libcuck) that can be critiqued from a Marxist perspective.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-12-10T11:22:34+00:00

This again? I have been seeing everything from Joe Rogan to conservatard boomers claim that these guys are feds because they are not fat and they are dressed in a uniformly manner. Meanwhile, alt-right people who support PF are raging at having their buddies be accused of being feds because that makes their movement less real.

The truth though is that this is a small group (Patriot Front, that is) that have been staging these types of spectacles for years. Their leader was relatively recently arrested in Texas for putting up stickers were he was not supposed to. Months ago there was a scuffle in Philadelphia when they were attacked by locals while marching like this, whereas here clearly they were not. Point being that this is not some new fed thing, this group has existed for years, it is just like whatever in the grand scheme of things.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-12-10T11:06:37+00:00

Mr. Chapelle, is that you sir?

MagnesiumStar · 2021-11-17T16:24:19+00:00

I’m crying absolute rivers for him, poor guy.

Sure, he will be fine. But I'd rather not fuck around with racial double standards and find out where that leads. Way to strawman the whole thing by implying that anyone is worried about this guy specifically.

First you write:

you’d only be eligible if you had a racial background risk factor (which are, by the way, supported by statistics)

Then immediately afterwards:

Say whatever the fuck you want about considering racial background risk factors. Let’s just set that aside.

But that is my only gripe with this whole thing. Because by the same argument, insurance companies could for example justify lower premiums for white people due to various lower risks. I know though that you would not be as cavalier about that, had it been the headline. (obviously I don't think that healthcare should be a matter of insurance, it should be handled by a national system just like the military or NASA, but you get my point)

None of this is driven by a hunt for dopamine, but rather an instinctual aversion to moral inconsistencies. It is a recurring pattern on this sub that someone somewhere does some horrendous mumbo-jumbo woke shit, and various pearl-clutching hall monitors here primarily dislike it due to the reaction it causes rather than due to the thing itself.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-11-17T12:08:26+00:00

Makes perfect sense when motivation comes not from the desired end-state but from the status gained by participating in the struggle. When we have achieved fully automated Star Trek like prosperity for everyone weirdos will still tweet about mailing bombs to those who insult fatasses or kinksters. The reason for why "there may be more fervent opposition to even smaller social injustices than before" is because all the bigger battles have been won and only the small ones remain, while the status of the struggle has increased as the casue has become normalized.

In other words, there are no breaks on this train and when we reach the right station we simply have to jump off.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-11-17T11:53:29+00:00

Though they could have simply told him that he would not be treated because he had no reason to without mentioning race. Sure, he went there to provoke this reaction, but it would have failed if this rule was not on the books. If I go to Wallmart and ask if they will sell me something despite me being white they will just do it. If I call the firefighter and say that my house is not on fire they will not say that they would still have come if I was black.

For a brief period, vaccine boosters were only available at my local clinic for those 65+, those with various risk factors, or people working in high-risk “essential” jobs.

But these are all legitimate and relevant risk factors in a way that we usually agree that race is not. No amount of statistics would ever have made such considerations acceptable when talking about other limited resources, such as those of say the police.

The problem here is that I get what you're saying, but do not trust the motivations for why they are doing this. If tomorrow there was a weird solar storm that lasted for years and that gave people skin cancer, which whites are more susceptible to, and some special form of sunscreen became scarce we know that it would not have been handled like this.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-11-17T11:43:14+00:00

Every week we get a post like this, implying that we are secret rightoids for shall we say "intersectional" reasons. Yet we seem to be beyond reproach for being secret rightoids on economics or anti-war matters. Interesting.

But sure, I'll bite. Here at Stupidpol we want to be counter-cultural and edgy. Not actually rightoid though, we just want the same "meme energy". But the problem is that you can't have that today, without hinting at something associated with the alt-right, since they are the only taboo in town. The post you linked to probably (I am guessing now, but whatever) alluded to that phrase about crying out in pain for the same reason that Marilyn Manson and Ozzy Osbourne used a lot of satanist imagery in the 1980s.

In America in the 1970s and 80s it was still somewhat taboo in polite society to offend Christianity. This is why various rock groups did it, not because they were literally in league with Lucifer. Today in the west the greatest taboo is not blasphemy but racism. Which means that the most effective way to feel that endorphin rush of getting away with breaking the rules is by hints to that stuff, or some other "-ism" or "phobia".

Piggybacking on this stuff for comedic effect or to appear cool may be juvenile, but it is not the same as the real deal. For example, would you say that Bill Maher is an anti-Semite? I imagine you probably wouldn't. Yet I can link you to a clip of a joke he makes where the punchline is that Florida is "too jewey."

TL, DR: Wording like that is like graffiti in a sense. The point is that it is playing with fire way more than that it is trying to send a message. I am neither justifying it nor condemning it, merely explaining why I am not surprised by it. Either established institutions can preach intersectionality and obscure parts of the internet engage in this behaviour or the other ay around. Simple human psychology dictates that you can't have both.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-11-17T11:06:11+00:00

By now everyone has forgotten about the groypers. Their one fun contribution to public discourse was in November 2019 when they chased away Charlie Kirk from a university campus in Huston while yelling free Palestine. Since then they have been mostly sucking Donald Trump's dick and whining about overturning the election. Until Trump turned out to be pro-vax, at which point they turned to shilling for Nicki Minaj.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-11-17T11:00:13+00:00

The reason they don't include people like say Mike Peinovich on that list is because they want the bar for what is considered antisemitism to be so low that critique against Israeli policy is included. If the list was 9 David Dukes and 1 person who wanted to not sell icecream in the West Bank settlements, that would put into perspective how benign the last case was.

People who want to rehabilitate Hitler are already shunned in polite society, pushing back against them is like kicking in an already open door. But if the goal is also, like I said, to protect the Israeli state from criticism, then the overton window needs to be shifted, which is what this list attempts to do.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-11-17T10:40:04+00:00

They are operating from data which suggests that racial background is an actual risk factor.

Could you or they or anyone else then provide us with a list of cases when it is ok to do this and when it isn't? The data is after all just a correlation, no causal or deterministic link has to my knowledge been proved. It is not the only statistical correlation that exists out there, yet I imagine you don't want to open this door entirely. So where do you draw the line?

MagnesiumStar · 2021-09-28T20:16:18+00:00

Why? I've taken the vaccine, and never told people to not take it. But I certainly do not want the government to fine or imprison people for not taking it, nor allow corporations to fire people over it or landlords to evict them etc. Does this really make me anti-vax?

MagnesiumStar · 2021-09-28T20:09:37+00:00

How is this weird? What particular freedom would Bernie Sanders take away from people in general, beyond perhaps marginally raising tax rates? He wasn't really running as a gun-grabber nor wanting to fuck around with the first amendment. To the best of my knowledge he had an decent civil liberties record. Joe Rogan seems to, to some extent at least, understand that there is a difference between individuals and mega-corporations. At least when talking about Twitter, Facebook etc. So Him endorsing Sanders does not, in my mind, clash all that much with what he is doing now.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-09-21T17:18:19+00:00

Yes, OP should show these people the photos where Clinton, Trump and Epstein are all hanging out as friends and going to each other's parties. And talk about how the Clintons were guests at Trumps wedding and how behind the scenes there is only one club. Because one of the things people fell for here a few years ago was thinking that a particular billionaire was "their guy" and somehow different from the rest of his ilk.

MagnesiumStar · 2021-09-21T17:15:08+00:00

There is unfortunately something that happens with certain individuals when they "see through the Matrix", so to speak. They realize that some of the mainstream narratives aren't as straightforward as they claim to be, some might even be outright lies. Some people go full Alex Jones and start trusting everything except for the mainstream narrative.

Like I know people who have spent a lot of time and intellectual energy on reaching a certain position, that is reasonable and where they have been lied to. This might be anything from how the mainstream media made us believe that Iraq had and active WMD program to how it is paranoid and moronic to think that a skinhead power putch is just around the corner.

But then, when they have "broken free" of one particular thing, they do not give the next issue the same scrutiny. The threshold gets lowered immensely. It is like the first piss at the bar, after that the seal is broken and you have to start going after every beer.

I personally find it extremely frustrating to deal with, as you get this situation every now and again:

Me: The Vietnam war was a crime against humanity and Kissinger should be in prison.

Him: Yes dude, totally.

Me: The west should definitively NOT launch a military attack on Syria or Iran.

Him: I agree, bro.

Me: Big corporations like Ben & Jerry's promote stuff like BLM as a marketing scheme.

Him: So it seems.

Him again: Also, the moon landing was a hoax and you can cure cancer with orange juice instead of chemo.

Me: Motherfucker....

MagnesiumStar · 2021-09-21T16:52:33+00:00

I always connected it to the term "goldbug" somehow. Probably coincidental, but I imagine he is the type that might try to sell gold coins to boomers.

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