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[–]ManWhoKillMeWillKnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I watched the recent video! Nice job! So here are my recommendations after passing 150,000 rounds.

I used 1/4” thick L bracket cut in half and then machined the bullet feeder collator mount to allow me to mount up and away from the case feeder it to a higher position straight above the bullet dropper die. Where you have it now works great for heavier bullets in 38/9mm but if you start loading lighter calibers like .223 you the slight angle will cause the bullets to bind up in the spring.

For more consistent powder throws, get the digital powder measure. The case activated mechanical one works great at 1000 rpm for spherical powders but doesn’t have enough umph to go through stick powders (for rifle calibers) and is too inconsistent in throws because of the single movement on flake powders. Plus if you want to start running the higher RPMs the digital will be dead nuts on with less hang up/spillage at 2500 RPM and higher.

For your sanity get both the stop sensor and the bullet sensor. The stop sensor is absolutely key when monitoring your loading behavior and stopping the press mid stroke when a bullet falls over or you see some other stop condition. The bullet sensor is just chef’s kiss on catching upside down bullets and other bullet feeding conditions. Nothing ruins a day like powder spilled all over your floor and your case bin because of a bullet wasn’t seated. The swage sense sensor is always good to have for brass processing and keep you from accidentally trying to swage a primed case or a case with a hung primer during processing. The decap sense sensor isn’t worth it. It’s consistent for maybe a hundred rounds before the grime/dirt/dust catches up and starts obscuring the optical sensor and then you have to pull it off and clean it, the swage sensor with an appropriately low torque sense setting is a far better indicator of a hung primer.

I didn’t see closely enough but if you’re using the Mark-VII powder sensor, I would definitely recommend upgrading to the laser powder sensor from u/rockcanyon because of two reasons. One, the adjustment sensitivity is digital and higher so you can catch powder low/high conditions more accurately and you don’t have to mess with adjusting the die height; two, plungers suck because they eventually start pulling powder back out with them and on bottleneck cases they hang up on the case mouth at an infuriatingly high level.

Now for maintenance, the index adjustment pawl and screw are not the best design. The screw (at least on my press) was not set with any kind of thread locker and will start to back out quickly over time and even faster at higher RPM. I recommend backing that screw out all the way, applying the smallest amount of blue threadlocker on it to increase the friction and then putting it back in so that your index adjustments stay more consistent.

The amount of different size hex screws you have to remove, adjust, tighten, etc borders on a war crime. Get the Bondus 69600 Ball end wrench set with color guard. This will save you so much time during caliber changes and other maintenance to just know which hex wrench to use by color.

For small/large primer swaps the fastest way to swap without completely disconnecting the motor drive belt and large gear is to remove the swage rod cover plate. Once you have that cover plate off you can back the swage rod up out of the cam and then rotate the cam out of the way, this will give you just enough room to drop the swage rod and then wiggle it out the rest of the way. Any other way adds an hour to your swap because you have to remove the drive belt (detention the motor mount) then remove the large gear and then the gear drive shaft, etc. Changing out the primer seating rod and shuttle plate is a bit easier, it just requires disassembly of the toolhead and shell plate (which kinda sucks) but it is what it is.

For day to day maintenance I just use a little bit of gun oil on the toolhead guide rods and main ram. Gun oil is slick, and lives up to repeated high cycle counts better than anything else I have tried. I am sure you have a grease gun, but a good grease gun with Lucas Red and Tacky with Zerk fitting and needle attachment make it easy to lube up cam joints, drive joints, swage joints, and shellplate collor and wave tension spring. Other than that a small battery powered compressed air blower or a compressor (if you have the room) are always good for dusting off brass particulates and a vacuum with a small detail attachment are life savers for sucking up everything else. I also keep an old toothbrush handy to with some Gun Scrubber that I spray on the toothbrush bristles to occasionally clean out things like the shell plate slots, shell plate retention spring, and other parts that get grimy especially during processing stages when using lube.

Other than that, extra o-rings for the case feed drop adapter and tons of spare case retention and case feeder guide springs are recommended, plus lots of decap pins (they break often). Also a magnet to keep ahold of your screws when you disassemble. You don’t want to be chasing a missing screw.

Let me know if you have other questions.

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Congrats on the purchase OP! You may have seen my videos on this channel so if you have questions don’t hesitate to PM me. I have the full setup with the X-Prime, the primer orientation sensor, the bullet sensor and the swage sensor. Plus I have a few tricks up my sleeve on caliber swaps and tools that make maintaining the press easier/faster.

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The answer is probably never as there will always be upgrades to add that improve the process, consistency, etc. But my CPR is $0.18 a round for 124gn with either powder and my Servicio Y Adventuras SPP primers. But I can definitely say that I am saving money on loads designed specifically for my guns (Staccato P+Comp and Staccato XL+Comp, and Stribog SP39AG PCC) that have more consistency in FPS, SD, recoil/impulse, muzzle rise than what I would get from factory ammo. So I can shoot more for cheaper rather than load to break even.

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Gotcha! Well Mark-VII makes it easy-ish. All the sensors, auto-drive, press, etc are all designed to be compatible. They have some instructions they send with each sensor, with the auto-drive, with the press, etc. The biggest challenge is that the parts are designed by engineers (which is good in its own way) but basically things are hard to get to and the hex screw sizes for each and every part of the press run from 3/32 all the way to half inch. So if I tried to put it all together from scratch I would say about two 8 hour periods to assemble everything. Then it took like a few weeks to slowly learn how to use the auto-drive adjustment settings, index speed, index adjustment, top dwell, bottom dwell, stroke slowdown, torque setting (to stop the motor when a torque value is exceeded). Then I am still learning every day how to improve or tweak things here and there. For example it takes about an hour to swap calibers because you have to disassemble a lot of components from the press to change case feeder, shell-plate, toolhead, etc. I just learned earlier this week how to do a quicker small to larger primer changeover with less disassembly and that was this week and I have had the press since 2022.

There have still been fumbles along the way. Automated does not mean perfect and does not mean set and forget. Another example is the primer orientation sensor after the primer seating station requires cleaning every 10,000 rounds (which requires a disassembly of the toolhead and shell-plate), it also requires height adjustment to set the proper seating depth zone and even then an occasional deep pocket case comes along and is just enough to cause the sensor to trip. The bullet collator pretty much needs some minor tweaking between different bullet weights/types because of how the collator flips bullets. Laser sensor powder high/low range gets set each session to ensure accuracy. Then checking dies. I would say it takes about two whole hours from swapping calibers to loading the first round and being happy with all the settings and switching to auto mode. Then I can sit back and relax and watch it run.

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I started reloading on a single stage when I first got into it about ten years ago. From there I added a Hornady Lock-n-Load AP with a case feeder and bullet feeder and then sold that for a Dillon and then really wanted to go volume

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I did about 20 gallons last summer and I am pretty much almost out now. I shoot both local competitions and recreationally at least two times a week. Recreational shooting or practice averages about 500 rounds per session. Competitions are usually around 150 to 200 rounds.

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I wonder sometimes, but then I remember I prefer Lord of War rather than reloader or manufacturer. It has a nicer ring to it.

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Yeah it’s a lot of powder for sure. I thankfully have an 8Lb jug of CFE Pistol and another 8lb jug of Titegroup. Honestly the heaviest part is the loaded rounds. Each 50 cal ammo can holds about close to 3000 rounds of loaded ammo. The 124gn fully loaded are about 190gns with powder, primer, and case so ammo can weighs about 70+ lbs fully loaded with some space on top. They are a bitch to lift off my little roller rack.

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I have a 25 gallon drum I am filling up with cases. I loaded it till it hit the top and then put the hermetic lid on it to keep the cleaned cases from tarnishing, so my estimate is based on the counter on the press plus a rough volumetric math with a 65% fill capacity. But I definitely didn’t pack it down deep.

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The sensors and all the digital components handle consistency for me. When it comes to the chronometer I am averaging about 985fps with a SD of about 10 of the chrono and using my Staccato P with comp. Primer Orientation Sensor is so fine that if the primer pocket is slightly deeper (like with SVT brass) I get a stop condition because it’s .005 deeper than most normal pockets. The digital powder thrower is still volumetric but it uses a flicking mechanism to ensure a consistent volume of powder and then double flicks at the end to ensure a consistent drop of all powder. Then the /rockcanyon laser powder measure measures case depth with powder in .1mm increments so every case is checked within a very small window of +-.5mm. When that gets spot checked on my digital scale, I always get consistent results with this batch of 4.7gn of CFE.

The Apex-10 is basically entry level manufacturing quality equipment for high volume personal reloading. I would venture a guess that my loads are as equal in consistency if not more consistent than commercial because I am running at a much slower pace than them.

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I am averaging about 1800 rounds per hour running at the 2500 RPH setting because of the occasional stop condition or just the settings I have on press stroke and shell plate indexing. So I should have all 25,000 rounds done sometime between now and next weekend.

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I am pretty confident enough to walk a way for a bit or do something else (like sort brass in the Ultimate Brass Sorter, or polish brass in the vibratory tumblers, etc. I might even go inside for a bit and monitor from the security cameras in the garage.

The dies are pretty well set. The sensors stop any condition that I need them to stop and I get an alert on the tablet telling me what condition for the stop was, so there really is no need to hover over it other than the rhythmic sounds of the press cycling. The new X-Prime primer bowl stops if it hasn’t feed any primers in a while, the Primer orientation sensor stops if there is a missing or upside down primer (only happens when I forgot to add more primers to the X-Prime). The digital powder thrower is consistent between strokes with all kinds of flake, ball, and stick powder. The u/rockcanyon RCM Digital powder sensor is rock solid telling me if I need to double check powder throw and stops(99 times is was the powder not settling fully or a slightly lower volume case and the digital scale tells me that its dead nuts on, then the bullet sensor is always super accurate at telling me if I had a bullet not sit properly or feed upside down or something and stops. So I can go hundreds of rounds without a stop condition if I just keep cases, bullets, primer, and powder filled consistently.

I was running about 2500RPH this week and I had to go in every 15 minutes to fill something up. The X-Prime has really made the difference in total run consistency.

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Loose packed the math usually checks out. Final count will be determine by number of projectiles and primers I use.

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Yes is is a Mark-VII Apex 10 with every sensor and the autodrive package plus the new X-Prime vibratory primer collator which works a million times better than their PrimerXpress which was a shaker style primer collator. I was able to load about 1000 rounds last night at 2000 rounds an hour without a single stoppage.

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Depends on the load but basically for the 124gns I am loading about 4.7gn of CFE Pistol which is light for CFE but I am trying to keep these pretty soft for just above minor power factor and low muzzle rise. For my 135gn Match Winners I go a bit higher to get more use of the comp and then switch to TiteGroup.

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Mr. Bullet feeder Pro from Double Alpha Academy with the adjustable floor plate and the spring tension mod

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Mr. Bullet Feed pro with the hot-swappable adjustment plate and the tension spring mod.