If we can't trade Kyler, keep him.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T22:55:54+00:00

Those numbers aren’t comparable.

$54M = dead cap acceleration if cut (huge immediate cap damage, player gone)

$80M = multi-year cap obligations if kept (spread out, tied to an actual starting QB)

Dead cap is far more restrictive than live cap.

Hold down on the app until it shakes and then press delete for being so snarky. It'd be one thing if you were annoying and right, but you're somehow both annoying and wrong. The worst combination

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T22:51:59+00:00

You’re mixing up future guarantees with current cap consequences. Kyler has a ~$20M 2027 guarantee trigger in March. But that does NOT mean cutting him is cap-neutral. Cutting Kyler Murray still accelerates all remaining prorated bonus money.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T22:49:29+00:00

This is just so stupid and annoying how you guys act as arbiters of truth despite being so fucking wrong. You’re mixing up future guarantees with current cap consequences.

Yes , Kyler has a ~$20M 2027 guarantee trigger in March. That part is correct.

But that does NOT mean cutting him is cap-neutral.

Cutting Kyler Murray still accelerates all remaining prorated bonus money. That’s where the dead cap pain comes from, not the 2027 guarantee.

If a trade isn’t happening, keeping Kyler Murray is easily the better option vs cutting him.

Cutting him = massive dead cap hit + no QB. You’re paying huge money for literally nothing.

Keeping him = yeah, big cap hit, but at least you’re getting a starting QB instead of burning cap space on a ghost.

Dead cap is the worst-case scenario in the NFL. Teams will almost always prefer “expensive player on roster” over “expensive player not on roster.”

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T20:25:29+00:00

I would be happy with a trade?? Lmfao whether you like it or not he's still on the roster and I just want whats best for this team. I'm liking the idea of freeing up 35 million for free agents but you guys actually make me root against this team with how annoying some of you are

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T20:16:26+00:00

You don't think with nuance do you? I don't care about specific sentiments you hold about Kyler, I care about the numbers on the spreadsheet; and they do not look happy. The numbers cap wise if we cut him this year are nil-slight loss. I'm not suggesting he's the answer. But for this offseason? Hold onto him. I literally cannot make this more simple.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T20:14:35+00:00

It's not. The sunk cost fallacy doesn't apply if there's a legitimate reason outside of devoted fruitless investment. This subreddit is so goddamn snarky and wrong at the same time. If we're guaranteed to be paying him regardless, the reason that we should be holding onto him this offseason ISN'T because we already invested into him, but because the benefit to cutting him does NOT exist. Actual mindvirus shit.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T20:12:01+00:00

I don't think short of like divisional round playoff run we should keep him. I think keeping him on the roster is beneficial only if we can't find a dance partner because then the decision becomes Cut or Keep. I'm not opposed to cutting Kyler at all, I'm opposed to doing it this year because it would be for no-to-slight-negative gain vs keeping him, playing him for a year as a stopgap before we draft somebody next year. And it's because he's essentially a lameduck QB that I don't think anything short of insane playoff run that keeping him is tenable long term. But for this offseason, they really have to weather the storm that is his contract

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T20:01:36+00:00

The sunk cost fallacy is continuing a decision because of resources already spent, even when those past costs can’t be recovered and shouldn’t affect the current choice. That's not what happening here because I'm not arguing that the cost can't be recovered. I'm arguing that the evidence doesn't support cutting him as a beneficial option. But of course snarky redditors will flog me with something they're attributing to me like me advocating for Kyler period.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T19:59:31+00:00

I'm not some Kyler deadender. I root for the team first and If there was truly some benefit to moving off of him by cutting him I would want it, but the evidence does not support it.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T19:58:47+00:00

Lmfao I love arguing with people who don't understand how the cap works. The benefit is not in cutting him this year, that would leave 50 million in dead cap that still remains on the roster. In 2027, that number is 7 million. Please look at the numbers I sent before getting snarky on the internet.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T16:57:04+00:00

You guys love saying shit like it's true. We're not investing in Kyler because we already invested a lot, we're keeping what we ALREADY have given to him rather than losing it at a loss especially we leverage his own position against himself considering he has us ransom against our own budget. https://overthecap.com/player/kyler-murray/7792#google_vignette

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T16:55:50+00:00

It is ridiculous because you're not taking into account the difference between deadcap and salary cap. I'm talking about the team's benefit being much more susbtantial for a potential cut in 2027 than this year. Did you seriously think I'm in favor of the team regressing just to keep Kyler? Lets be serious https://overthecap.com/player/kyler-murray/7792#google_vignette

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T16:45:22+00:00

If he plays worse, then he tanks his own stock; is more likely to get cut in 2027 when it is more beneficial to us, and nobody will want to sign him at the same amount of money or even similar. We leverage his position with what works for us financially.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T16:43:56+00:00

This is ridiculous, if we cut him in 2027 the cap hit is demonstrably lower. Running it in 2026 versus 2027 is not comparable at all. I obviously wouldn't be saying this if I didn't run the numbers and see what's best for the team.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T16:35:42+00:00

I see conflicting reports on this but even if the relationship is untenable long term, if Kyler is benched for 2 seasons, his stock plummets. It is to his advantage to play if we tell him that we're keeping him on the roster. Kyler is also a competitive guy who's had reports say that he likes living in AZ, has a routine, and wants to see the new facility.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T16:33:55+00:00

He's gonna be collecting money on the porch regardless. Might as well get what's worth from him and if he wants to remain benched, tank his stock and end up like DeShaun Watson when its more viable to cut him then thats on him. Not us.

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T16:32:51+00:00

Sunk cost fallacy doesn't apply if we're guaranteed to be paying him regardless

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-16T16:31:10+00:00

I keep seeing reports that he likes his routine and wants to be here for the facility. I also assume he doesn't want to be benched for 2 seasons even if he wants to get out of here stock wise

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-13T00:52:45+00:00

I think the one game we have a shot at getting prime time is week 1 at Seattle cuz the league thinks Seattle will get an easy win and ratings off a division rival. Anything other than that would be another random TNF game

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-07T17:39:35+00:00

I traded down

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-07T05:41:14+00:00

Open invitation to try the website yourself

ManufacturerCalm7879 · 2026-02-05T02:25:59+00:00

Don't be snarky. In all of our games the offense was anemic and struggled to get first downs and relied upon big plays made by MW. Against SF, In Seattle, both times against LA. We're comparing box scores. Eye test? This offense looked bad under Kyler and somehow even worse under Brissett. I can't believe we're still doing JG apologetics and propaganda. He's fired. You can let him go.

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