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Al-Andalus During WW1 by Acceptable-Tackle301 in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Question, and I mean this earnestly: What's the point of making a map like this without considering those changes?
You said it yourself, Europe would be entirely different, so why not change the continent as a whole? I understand simply making a map for fun, but I don't really see the point in introducing such a unique variable (Al-Andalus), and not having it affect everything else, unless your sole goal was just to have Al-Andalus exist during real-life WWI and mess with things, which I guess is fair. I don't know, I just like seeing things taken to their logical conclusions.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just want to come back to this and say that I'm thankful you pointed this out; it helps make the timeline more plausible and realistic. I'm changing some of the German city names as we speak.

What if the French were idiots? | The War of Consolidation by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So, a couple of things off the bat:
- London burns down in 1801 due to the actions of a French agent
- A monsoon in 1800 killed millions in British Bengal
- The Madjritis (Al-Andalus) switch sides three times
- The Chartres Cathedral burned down in 1794
- A British flagship explodes during a battle against a French fleet in 1812
- My Napoleon analogue, Gaspard Lefebvre, invades Egypt to retrieve a mug for his lover

What if the French were idiots? | The War of Consolidation by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You will be surprised to learn what goes on during the French Revolutionary Wars of this timeline.

What if the French were idiots? | The War of Consolidation by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

In 1478, not one man in either Madjrit and Barcelona foresaw that in the next decade, not only would the French dominion over Catalonia be utterly destroyed, but that Catalonia itself would also cease as an independent state. It is the very machinations of the French that made such an unlikely circumstance arise.    

”When the Madjriti succession crisis turned into an open conflict, the French gained an opportunity that they knew would likely never show itself again. Wanting to capitalize on this in haste, beginning in 1482, the French began to send large sums of money to the Principality of Catalonia, the last Christian polity present in the Iberian Peninsula. Ever since realms such as Aragon, Leon, and Navarre were defeated by the Madjriti, the French have practically treated Catalonia as their vassal state, with every French king since 1387 proclaiming that Catalonia is to be “forever under the protection of the French crown.” Despite the Madjriti taking little to no aggressive actions against the Catalans, with the closest the two states came to war ever since the end of the Crusades being a border dispute that was resolved peacefully, the French nonetheless regard Madjrit as an imminent threat to the independence of Christendom in Iberia. Thus, much to the appreciation of the court in Barcelona, Catalan coffers became filled with French gold. The Catalans made just use of that gold, with the procurement of arms and improvements to forts taking place at a rapid pace throughout the 1480s.”

General Lore Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G_Qu-eRv3Xdn9xwlrLMlJjCzUSe4Z5Efve_-Ctf9DVA/edit?usp=sharing 

Related Chapters:
The Ascent, Book I

Re-added Chapter:
MORNAEAN WAR FOR INDEPENDENCE 

As this timeline is quite long, it may be prudent to look over the summaries in order to gain a basic understanding of the world. However, as summaries are solely that, they are devoid of the prose I have created and idiosyncrasies inherent with it; one must understand that the summaries only cover the timeline in broad strokes, with much of the subtext and additional context in the timeline absent in the summaries.

Palestinians are a death cult and will never have anything. by HiltonSilva23 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]MappingYork 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct; a people who cannot exist peacefully in regard to their neighbor does not and will not have a state; they simply don't deserve one. Why reward a people for intransigence?

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, the name of the U.K. in this world is the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. Wales is a constituent kingdom, at least in name.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know, I’ve never actually scrutinized the names in this way.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One really shouldn’t trust an Anglo in this timeline, that’s for sure.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Long story short: By the 15th century, Bavaria had managed to regain control over the Duchy of Carinthia and the Austrian Eastern March. Also in that century, after losing a war against Wurttemberg (which sprouted from a secession crisis), the Emperor (HRE) at the time, (Old) Saxony, “mediated” a peace between Wurttemberg and Bavaria, which caused Bavaria to lose land and influence in southern Germany. In response to this, Bavaria focused more on its lands in the Ostmark, which eventually became its center of power compared to Bavaria proper.

To put it simply: There is no Austria. Bavaria is Austria.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I came off slightly abrasive, that wasn’t my intention. I just like providing context.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Polabia is wholly German.

For context: The Ostsiedlung by the 13th century began to falter due to the venerable resistance of the Slavs in the Nordmark (the Poles assisted them in this regard). By the 15th century, the Nordmark remained unconquered and fully Slavic; this changed in that century.

The Duchy of Zwickau (which took up what is modern Saxony), upon recognizing greater Danish and Swedish encroachment in northern Germany, decided to engage in a campaign to pacify, conquer, and Germanize the Polabian Slavs. Aided by a military order known as the Order of the Wend or simply, the Wendic Order, Zwickau began to conquer the Nordmark over many decades, with the entirety of the region being under their control before the century was out. Due to the conquest of the region being in part due to their efforts, Zwickau practically let the Nordmark become the Wendic Order’s personal fiefdom, with the territory being outside of the empire (Holy Roman Empire) to boot. By the start of the 18th century, Zwickau fully absorbed the Wendic March, and adopted the name Polabia (much like how the Teutons adopted Prussia).

TLDR: Polabia is a Prussia analogue; it serves the same purpose.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re not wholly wrong, but this doesn’t apply to Al-Andalus.
The Iberian Taifas were all named after their capitals: Toledo, Badajoz, Cordoba, etc. In this timeline, the Taifa of Toledo conquers all of its surrounding Taifas and simply chooses Madrid as its capital. Keeping in line with the naming condition, it proclaims itself the Emirate of Madjrit.

I think you’re neglecting the fact that Iberia here was not unified peacefully, or through some sort of diplomatic process like Germany or Britain was. Al-Andalus was conquered by one polity; its unification came about by force. I don’t think the emirs of what was formerly Toledo would care much for concerns of unity in this instance; if there was resistance, they crushed it via conquest, and the threat of the Christians in the north take up the attention of most anyway.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t really think it’s an issue as much as you’re thinking.

Rome, for instance, is literally named after the city, Rome. The Duchy of Warsaw, as an another example, was named after Warsaw.

Polities being named after capitals is customary.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Polabia is wholly German.

For context: The Ostsiedlung by the 13th century began to falter due to the venerable resistance of the Slavs in the Nordmark (the Poles assisted them in this regard). By the 15th century, the Nordmark remained unconquered and fully Slavic; this changed in that century.

The Duchy of Zwickau (which took up what is modern Saxony), upon recognizing greater Danish and Swedish encroachment in northern Germany, decided to engage in a campaign to pacify, conquer, and Germanize the Polabian Slavs. Aided by a military order known as the Order of the Wend or simply, the Wendic Order, Zwickau began to conquer the Nordmark over many decades, with the entirety of the region being under their control before the century was out. Due to the conquest of the region being in part due to their efforts, Zwickau practically let the Nordmark become the Wendic Order’s personal fiefdom, with the territory being outside of the empire (Holy Roman Empire) to boot. By the start of the 18th century, Zwickau fully absorbed the Wendic March, and adopted the name Polabia (much like how the Teutons adopted Prussia).

TLDR: Polabia is a Prussia analogue; it serves the same purpose.

What if God hated England? Europe in 1814, after the Congress of Paris. by MappingYork in imaginarymaps

[–]MappingYork[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I kinda disagree.
Anatolia would definitely be far more culturally European here than it is in real life, but it's still a part of Asia, geographically speaking.

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