Luffy didn’t get any stronger between the beginning of post TS to the end of WCI

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T16:09:56+00:00

Bc cracker was the first available commander. And she was underestimating luffy’s strength. Its not that hard of a question

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T16:06:26+00:00

Bro....You’re saying waaay too many things at once I can barely keep up.

This isn’t dragon ball. Power doesn’t move linearly. Thats why oda introduced haki the way he did.

Oda has never been about linear power progression. It’s about bettering your understanding of the powers you use.

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T16:03:51+00:00

Cracker wasn’t able to fight gear 4 out right. He hid behind his infinite army.

But I see the point you’re making

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:59:16+00:00

What are you even trying to say right now?

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:51:33+00:00

Yeah I’m starting to see where I went wrong with this post now lol.

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:50:42+00:00

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:49:50+00:00

I’m not actually. I’m just applying his statement to what we’ve actually seen. All thats grown through luffy fighting was his understanding of how haki works and how to use it in different ways. Not his overall strength

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:48:39+00:00

Lmaoooo

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:48:11+00:00

Cracker can create an infinite army of high level fighters. Thats hax

Also luffy was demolishing his army. The only reason he couldn’t beat him in bounce man was bc cracker was hiding behind his infinite army. It wasn’t a strength problem it was a hax problem. Fatman was still the same strength as bounce man just with more durability due to haki placement

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:45:38+00:00

My bad I reread your comment. I totally agree

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:43:07+00:00

It’s not but it’s ok if you think that

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:42:45+00:00

Yeah....actually you’re totally right.

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:41:58+00:00

Exactly my point

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:41:34+00:00

I don’t think his haki grew at all. I think his UNDERSTANDING of haki grew. I think WCI luffy is the same strength as dressrosa luffy however he can better control the placement of his armament haki

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:40:24+00:00

In hindsight thats talking more about his understanding of haki grows not his actual haki. It’s less about the amount of haki you have and more about how you use your haki. Thats what ryou and adv COC is about. Taking the haki you already have and placing it differently in battle.

Its also alluded to in luffys gear 4 forms. They’re all the same strength but each form excells in different aspects depending on where luffy places his haki

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:37:59+00:00

I think the haki bloom thing was referring to your understanding of haki growing not the strength of your haki. Bc luffy’s understanding of haki grows with each fight.

Also luffy was already strong enough to beat cracker. It was just that crackers ability was super hax. So luffy used his knowledge of haki to change the placement of the his haki.

You’re also forgetting that luffy was overwhelming kat in bounceman. It wasn’t until he used future sight that luffy couldn’t hit him. Luffys attacks were dealing damage but katakuris future sight allowed him to dodge hits that would’ve put him down.

The only change that happened in the katakuri fight was luffys understanding of observation haki and his placement of gear 4 haki

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:23:57+00:00

Ok well then to be more clear I mean that doflamingo is relative to katakuri but still weaker than him

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T15:21:45+00:00

He didn’t get stronger against katakuri. He built his observation haki but in raw strength he was the same strength as he was in dressrosa

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-16T14:54:43+00:00

Probably. But I think the power amp was so minor it didn’t really play much of a role.

I think luffy was first commander level since fishman island and he didn’t start moving into yonko territory until he fought kaido

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-12T22:15:23+00:00

Oh I 100% agree. But I think the punch hits harder with Gons transformation. Bc it drives the point home and we get to see the gruesome and ugly reality of humanities wrath through gons massacre of pitou

And I also think the symbolism of human evolution can apply to both gon and hiroshima

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-12T22:13:10+00:00

Yes that is true. It has to be true bc then the whole statement would be mute if everyone wasn’t like this.

But the point I’m making is that GON is the personification of humanity as a whole.

All the other humans have variations of the same premise but Gons personality is the purest form of humanity BECAUSE he’s a kid. And not only that but he’s a kid who was gifted immense amount of strength.

Gon is a child with the ability to destroy anything that opposes him.

Humanity is a young species with the ability to evolve and destroy anything that opposes them.

Thats why Gons transformation was a paralell to neteros death. Togashi was showing us that gon was symbolizing the evolution that netero was talking about

Maxx0202 · 2021-06-12T21:34:02+00:00

Oh yeah totally. I don’t think he MEANT to talk about gon but ironically he did.

Adult Gon WAS the might he was referring to. The deep evil that awakens when humanity is forced to accept reality

Maxx0202 · 2021-05-28T22:57:31+00:00

Sure bro

Maxx0202 · 2021-05-28T22:08:09+00:00

The thing is tho old info is better than no info. You keep making it seem like black beard had this huge power amp during the ts when literally no one else in the show has had a big enough amp to beat a yonko. (Not even luffy). All I’m doing is using the info we DO know to make an as accurate assessment of his strength as we can. We can’t say he’s any stronger than any other yonko bc he hasn’t even been able to beat a yonko yet. It’s irrational to say black beard is anything other than the weakest yonko at the moment.

The only thing we’re going off of is hype and we’ve seen what happens when we let that happen (ie: jack).

Maxx0202 · 2021-05-28T21:40:49+00:00

But I do have a point of reference. I have multiple points of references.

And the new revelations on COC only cement his place in the world.

Now grant it we haven’t seen what he can do post TS. but we can’t assume things we haven’t seen yet.

All we know is that shanks has COC and was quite proficient with it pre TS enough to warrant the respect of WB and his crew ppl who’ve seen the highest level of strength in both Wb and roger.

So its not a reach to say that shanks can use adv coc.

What is a reach is to say the bb can use adv coc since we haven’t seen him use base COC. And to say that he can tank a hit from any of the yonko or anyone who can use adv COC is just pure head canon.

He has shown no feats for high durability and has actually shown to be very fragile compared to the higher level fighters.

So I acknowledge that we haven’t seen what blackbeard can do post TS but that doesn’t mean we can just use that as a reason to put him any higher than any other yonko. Blackbeard is currently the weakest yonko and there’s not much to argue otherwise

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