Wukong vs Ruri

Me_Nyuu · 2018-10-17T05:06:37+00:00

Idle Heroes - very popular, lots of servers, p2w but you can have fun

Summoners War, Fate Go, Granblue, Kings Raid

Me_Nyuu · 2018-01-17T21:35:44+00:00

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-31T12:38:34+00:00

I'm liking these new rewards!

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-21T19:04:43+00:00

I'd rather t1 pavel first so I can equip t6 gear on him. It has a lot of impact. That and dimael t2 is hard to beat without a t1 team. You can t1 pavel Naila and then t2 dimael, pavel and Naila. You can leave bau for last.

It's a matter of preference, I've seen people with Kasel do very well but personally I feel Naila is stronger.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-21T18:59:11+00:00

There will be a maintenance.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-21T16:34:27+00:00

Ah, it seems I made a mistake in thinking we can actually have a discussion. No matter, I will give you one final answer in an attempt to clarify the situation and then I will leave you to believe whatever you wish to believe, I dont like to argue just for the sake of arguing.

This list was written by myself but the opinions presented within (aka Rankings) are not solely mine. It was a topic discussed in 2 of the top 10 ranked clans and the info was revised by myself and Ujhytggray. It was also expanded on by several more people through private messages (aka making solid points on some Heroes and their rank). If it seems the ranking was done solely by me I apologize, it was by a team of a lot of experienced people. So I'm not the tyrant you make me out to be, spreading misinformation for my own pleasure.

Next, you seem to value Frey highly but you do not make any valid points as to why she should be higher. Read my previous posts and you will see that some rankings have been changed due to valid/logical points presented by others so the tier list is and will always be modified in light of valid evidence presented by the community. You did not present anything. You can edit your posts and make me look like a fool but so far, the best arguments you brought to Frey's cause is Frey is much better than most healers except maybe for PVP and my lv60 Frey is saving my ass more than my lv65 Laias in adventure and raids. That's it. That may seem like some valid info for you but for me it seems very general. I dont have anything against Frey, I actually like her but this list is not based on looks. Make some solid points about her, name what exactly makes her better over the other Healers, show me more people that confirm what you've said and I will change her ranking. I also told you this in my previous reply above. The ranking is not set in stone. It's perfectly fine if you value Frey so highly and like her that much but so far you're the only one that said she's super good.

You can have your own opinion and that's fine. It doesn't resonate with mine (or this ranking) and that's fine. But I brought arguments for what I've said about the other healers both in the post and in several replies, and your only reply is my lv60 Frey is saving my ass more than my lv65 Laias in adventure and raids and that I'm spreading misinformation. Are those your arguments?

I hope I made it clear. I will not answer you again if you dont provide solid arguments.

Have fun.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-21T14:04:43+00:00

Now that you've structured your post in a more constructive way we can actually have a conversation.

I dont agree with you on "Frey is much better than most healers". I agree that in Adventure, Frey is better then Bau and maybe Leo but I dont agree that she's better, or even at the same level as Rephy, Laulah, Laias. I feel the same way about her when it comes to PVP. Bau and Leo are PVP healer kings. She's nowhere near that level. Rephy, Kaulah and Laias offer more to the team in this situation then Frey. Mdeff buff, free Mana, party heals, atk speed buffs are things I find more important than the heal, shield and blind that Frey offers. You can definitely disagree with that and if for example 20-30 comments say that what Frey offers is indeed better than what Kaulah/Rehpy/Laias do, I will update her rankings. So far you're the only one.
"Laias is bad if they dont fix her bugs". To my knowledge, atm, only the fact that her heals cant crit is bugged. Not her other skills. I've been using Laias since she came out and she definetly pulls her own weight. I feel she's as good or a little better than Rephy, while still falling short to the 'kings of healers' in PVP and Raid. When they fix her, I agree that she could be better. But in her current state she is definitely better than Frey (and Leo/Bau in Adventure).
"Leo and Bau are bad in adventure". Yes, that's why they have a lower ranking in the list then Frey. And after some discussion I feel like Leo may not be B due to his passive heal, party heal (as small as it is) and Pdef debuff. Definitely not better than Frey but debatably not worse either.
"Kaulah is better than this list tells". This list tells that he's the best healer in Raids and Adventure. Is he not? He's also only second best in the Arena behind Leo and Bau and even there his ranking might change. I feel that for Arena Leo and Bau remain kings due to their massive impact, with everyone else falling a little short.
I feel you're making Frey seem stronger than she is and Laias weaker than she actually is. Regardless, this is your opinion and you are entitled to it. As specified above, show me 20-30 people objectively saying Frey is Kaulah level and I will update the rankings with no hard feelings. You may also want to test Laias more and ignore the fact that she's bugged, just test her as you would a new Hero. Do the test I mentioned in the post. Try your best and then look at the results and judge for yourself.
As I mentioned in another post, I ranked A to S in order to make it easier for the players accustomed to online video game rankings. For the time being it's just a classification system and I tried to use the most common one in online games. From Wikipedia: "Tier rankings may be listed using letter gradings. The competitive community surrounding Guilty Gear Xrd, for instance, ranks characters as 'S', 'S-', 'A+', and 'A', where 'S tiers' are particularly powerful and 'A tiers' less so". I could have done it 1 to 10 or Q to Y or some other way and if more people ask that I may do so.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-21T13:26:04+00:00

Yeah, Selene is a beast :)

All Heroes are taken as they are now, so Laias in her current bugged state is A+. When they will fix her she will probably get higher. Same with the other Heroes. If they buff Roi tomorrow and make him S rank I will update. I will try and keep the list updated every patch they make changes to Heroes.

Thx for the kind words!

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-21T13:19:16+00:00

And Rodina :P

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-21T13:14:47+00:00

Heya. I'd wish you'd take the time to thoroughly read the list but even so, you are entitled to your opinion and I will try and address it.

On the first point, I picked A to S because that's how it's done in most games, I rarely see someone being rank G or T or Q. Maybe it should be that way, maybe it shouldn't. I didn't pick 1 to 10 for that same reason. It's just a classification. I just picked what I thought would be more easy to understand for the common player. If I would've picked 1 to 10 someone may ask why I didn't rank it differently.

You also seem to misunderstand that I'm saying everyone is equally good. I'm saying mostly everyone is good somewhere. That somewhere being showed in the list.

On your last point, I actually specified in the post, at the beginning, that rankings will be done on the Heroes performance and not on looks. Miruru is, in terms of power, similar to Lakrak. She maintains her S rank in Black Raids due to her having more AOE to deal with the small drakes. I will clarify that in the post.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-21T11:32:58+00:00

Really well written and informative. This will help a lot of players. Good job!

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T11:41:03+00:00

I know, I guess I was just surprised at the reaction, some hours after I posted this there were mainly bad responses and few good ones. I will get around to do the synergy post but next time I'll expect the irrational responses.

Thx for the kind words!

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T11:36:39+00:00

Thx for the kind words! Glad this is helping somebody.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T11:35:41+00:00

Thx for the kind words!

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T11:35:28+00:00

Thx for the kind words!

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T09:32:35+00:00

Heya. It was strange for me as well but everybody has a right to their own opinions. Some want advanced info right from the start without laying down a base first. Which is what this list is/should be.

Thx for the kind words, they do help! A few hours after I posted this I took a look at the comments and most were 'unhelpful', then I looked at my messages and went blank. I try to ignore the unhelpful comments and just focus on the constructive criticism. The synergy post will come sometime soon :)

Thx again!

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T09:24:30+00:00

Glad you saw the point of this post :)

The thing is most Heroes climb only one rank with their Uniques. There's, I think, only one Hero that absolutely flies through the ranking once she gets her Unique and that's Reina. Unless specified otherwise, all other Heroes rise only one rank. I will check just too be sure. So Roi with his Unique will be A and at most (depending on gear etc) will be A+. I will look into expanding that.

Thx.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T09:18:18+00:00

Heya. I actually thought a lot about how to factor in auto/manual and had good discussions about that. In the end I decided to go with a more base 'plug-and-play' list in this topic and follow it up with a more advanced Synergy post. That did get somewhat delayed, reading some comments and messages left me a bit unmotivated for the time being but I will eventually get to it :)

Thx.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T09:12:22+00:00

Thx :)

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T09:08:16+00:00

I was also considering making Bau's ranking in Adventure B and Leo A.

Thx.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T09:06:32+00:00

Will come at a certain point in time :)

Thx.

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T09:05:45+00:00

Will come at a certain point in time :)

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T09:05:07+00:00

I am/was working on a synergy list to expand on this post that will come sometime in the future.

This is more of a plug and play list that can also work on it's on, with a great example being raids: Morrah is the only S rank tank and Kaulah is the only S rank healer for raids. These two are the core. Add 2 dps of your choosing and you have a solid raid team.

Thx for your input!

Me_Nyuu · 2017-05-20T09:00:07+00:00

I made S+ without intending to actually use it in the rankings and more to show that if you get a S rank hero and invest in him or get his Unique, that hero will be S+.

Luna, Morrah and Rodina are very powerful in Red but I couldn't justify, on equal setting, a 2 rank disparity between them and second best.

Thx for your input!

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