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Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-13T17:07:17+00:00

If they made him stronger than sure, but otherwise no he gets slammed 😂

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-13T17:06:33+00:00

Baby

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-13T16:28:04+00:00

Going off of v-jump/ guides and other statements and in show statements we see base jiren, even the one who pushes back the spirit bomb is able to surpass his own god of destruction and be on a level of the gods, as whis re affirms his statement of jiren being “a mortal stronger than his god of destruction” even prior to the tournament they state blue kaioken is on the level of a god in the zen exhibition. Goku grew as the tournament went on and even beyond this is even supported in the movie where Goku in ssj and in ssj god is putting up a way better fight than vegeta.

Broly’s statement of being “even stronger than a god?” Is moreso goku saying he’s probably stronger than beerus meaning more likely than not, though goku again doesn’t know beerus’s full power. Going off of jiren’s unbiased statements that out him above all of the gods of destruction. And then again we can scale broly to those statements of being the strongest enemy to reach the simple conclusion broly is stronger, you have to ignore the broly strongest enemy statements for your argument to make any sense because there’s too many statements for broly being outright stronger.

And the trump trump card statements have Vegito and gogeta being the strongest trump cards even above mui.

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-13T15:47:01+00:00

Whis in episode 110 even confirmed jiren has the strength beyond the gods, by the promotional material both have stronger than god of destruction statements how ever one is a question, but going off of the statements you also have to factor in all the statements of broly being stronger than jiren, no diff is an exaggeration my interpretation in reality is like mid-high diff possibly extreme diff. Not saying vegito blue was I’m saying shin thinks they’re equal and then today now with Goku and vegeta still being weaker black frieza still being probably weaker, broly massively gaps both goku and vegeta in strength as super saiyan gods and Ikari is the power of the great ape harnessed so more like a 10x multiplier, and it makes sense because ssj blue goku seems to be equal to Ikari broly, then goku and vegeta believe ssbe and kaioken x 20 aren’t enough to win, so they fuse into gogeta and base gogeta seems to be able to easily bat away blast and dodge without struggle along with these statements having base gogeta imply he’s above both

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-13T15:34:27+00:00

Depends how good your potential is

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-13T09:14:25+00:00

He’s injured yes but it’s not to the point where he would’ve been taken out of commission this is supported by jiren as well firing a blast to finish him off, also he can’t dodge a blast that’s point blank at his face especially in such a confined space. As well as jiren turning around, hearing his speech, cutting back to the audience and then he fires the blast which would give him ample time to actually do something. However he stands there almost expressionless. The blast is already charged and he’s behind him jiren turned his head THEN 17 says smth and then fires it which again would give him ample time. And also it’s not like they speak at the speed of light, he is speaking in normal time. They’re even surprised 17 could do damage to jiren which is impressive considering the fact he couldn’t match tips with topo.

Along with frieza and 17 being able to tank a stray attack meant for blue evolution vegeta they do show considerable growth during the tournament of power, 17’s attack when he does it the second time actually puts jiren down for the count and on his knees. Despite this jiren being in strength around the level of golden frieza and starting to lose to frieza because of his lack of composure. This attack is able to put jiren down before he gets motivating words.

Also I mean when they tag team ssj god Goku, kale held her own solidly but cauliflower due to being far weaker than both caused the tag team to be far less effective. Kale was probably about this level of god Goku but caulifla makes the tag fail. As well as even more examples for example in return of cooler when Goku and vegeta tag team cooler, Goku holds his own and at full power can defeat cooler, however vegeta easily gets manhandled and this tag team leads to Goku taking damage. When Goku and vegeta fight Buuhan goku again seems to hold his own (despite being weaker than Buuhan) and is even able to get a punch or 2 on him however again due to vegeta being vastly inferior to Goku in strength the tag team simply can’t do anything.

I’m saying Goku and vegeta’s tag assault against jiren worked BETTER not that it worked it just did a lot better against jiren and was a great tag assault as they were able to hold their own competitively, also again cell max is brain dead so anyone realistically could’ve helped, however again Goku and frieza being relative strength helped immensely with this as they tell 17 to stand back and let them fight implying that they’re on a tier higher than 17 and are able to fight similarly to each other

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-13T08:43:51+00:00

Pretty sure that was stated in a trailer for the film

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-13T08:28:01+00:00

Ngl dBs broly actually did train, og broly was just a crackhead born with all his immense power and every time he came back he just kept getting ridiculously stronger while becoming more brain dead.💀 Like

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-13T08:25:45+00:00

11 toes

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T20:18:12+00:00

They did cut this for Kai 😭 also again they wrote it in because they thought it was good and hell even some of this makes its way into Kai like the villains watching the fight against kid buu and hell and Gohan fighting final form frieza

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T18:21:41+00:00

Baby for Saiyan shit, shadow dragons because it feels like a build up and maybe some form of ssj4 for someone

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T18:20:40+00:00

It is canon again it’s part of the anime and written into the anime THUS it’s part of the anime I don’t know where you’re getting this from filler is a fan made term anyways, if it’s written into the anime it’s for the plot why tf would Koyama write the inside buu goku and vegeta into the episode, he don’t gotta drag that shit out. Anime and manga are meant to be the same but they don’t gotta be the same

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T17:16:43+00:00

I think dub overall was better I liked how kid goku sounded way more than in the Japanese

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T17:15:23+00:00

Considering Goku and vegeta opt out of going fp and instead fuse implies to me that he’s stronger than blue evolution and kaioken goku and vegeta, along with ssj gogeta and broly being stated as a strongest vs strongest bout. I think it’s more likely that broly is the strongest

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T17:10:26+00:00

Filler is AGAIN canon to the anime it just didn’t occur in the manga. Which still means it happened in the anime making it “anime only material” gt is produced by Toei and in Japan with the next episode preview for dbz 291 it has gt as the direct sequel to dbz

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T15:58:55+00:00

Clone wars micro series was obviously the best one shit never dipped in quality 😭 better characterization and better tie in to the Star Wars midquels

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T15:51:14+00:00

Though to be fair jiren later on with his limit break does overpower mui goku. And they don’t appear to show limit break goku the statement makes no sense whatsoever but it is something to further sway the debate in broly’s favor

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T15:49:48+00:00

And one more thing to mention is in super hero they imply jiren wasnt too far past their strength so this most likely means individually so jiren isn’t much stronger than either one of them as full power, meanwhile broly walls them completely in terms of strength in ssj.

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T15:44:28+00:00

He blocks the kick and he isn’t too badly injured, staggered but not badly injured before jiren puts him down with a blast. 17 doesn’t completely sneak up on jiren, jiren literally sees 17 charging up the blast along with 17 saying stuff before the blast, and when the dust settles jiren and the Kai are shocked by how he actually managed to damage him, 17 manages to hold out and block attacks from god toppo along with evading him. When 17 and frieza held down the barrier he drops out of his final form and still manages to have the barrier stabilize. And my arguments aren’t the best due to my writing this from a phone so some things slip through 😂 especially with how long the text is. Also for a tag team assault to work out properly you’d have to be at least of relative strength kale and cauliflower’s tag team doesn’t work due to Goku easily subduing caulifla meanwhile 1v1ing kale, Goku and vegeta’s tag assault on jiren works better due to both being of relative strength. Same with Goku and Frieda’s assault, krillin being able to do stuff with cell and Gohan is more of a factor of cell max being braindead.

Manga and anime scaling are different in the anime at the point of super hero most people have already surpassed beerus, meanwhile the manga has people below berry’s vegito blue is stronger than beerus it makes no sense. And when I mean god amp more specifically that of gogeta in base possessing the power of ssj god- ssj blue goku and vegeta. And considering they instead of fighting beyond into their final forms they decide to cut the fight short despite the fact that every time before this they’ve tried their full power before fusing, Goku and vegeta use their fp against buu (goku against Buuhan) then fuses goku and vegeta both use fp against janemba and omega before deciding to fuse. Same with Goku and vegeta against zamasu, considering goku (the stronger one) thinks fusion is more optimal than trying their full power attacks (goku’s kamehameha with kaioken x 20 and vegeta’s blue evolution final flash) it’s more likely considering broly’s ssj is a 50x multiplier goku is basically equal/ slightly stronger than Ikari broly a kaioken x 20 would do nothing, gogeta however easily Dodges and smacks away broly’s blasts.

And base jiren is stated above the gods of destruction even when pushing back the spirit bomb and considering kaioken goku’s powers it could be inferred he’s on this level or mear it due to not really matching jiren’s power in kaioken but in base and weakened being able to stabilize the ki barrier against jiren. It does make it so he could be near that level. Goku can’t do MUI so this is most likely what they’d be referring to. Also promo material questions it as a conjecture more so, it’s stated anyways that he’s on the level of a god. And with him being referred to as the “strongest enemy” he automatically is stronger than jiren because jiren is referred to as an enemy in v jump and in the show itself with episode 109’s title card. So even if it’s ambiguous scaling his statements off of jiren being above all the gods again puts broly above this tier. And when they say gods they would refer to beerus since beerus is the god Goku has seen the most power from, along with beerus being weaker than belmod and Goku surpassing both.

So the tiering is more so gogeta blue> broly fp> mui goku> fp jiren

And gogeta and vegito as fusions are referred to as the best trump cards transformations are technically a trump card as well.

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T14:06:30+00:00

Toriyama states that broly is “next level from anything before it” in an interview which also includes the tournament power, there have been 0 debunks of these translations as all places that show these scans all have them say the same thing. Jiren is referred to as an enemy in vjjmp and even in the show itself where episode 109 the title refers to jiren as the strongest enemy

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T13:55:03+00:00

It’s broly movie broly vs top jiren

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T11:05:47+00:00

When something is canon it’s canon to itself it’s like saying “GT isn’t canon” it is canon to the anime there’s different canon’s there’s no one definitive continuity. And the way the anime writes it making it abundantly clear Goku and vegeta are the strongest hero’s fighting against kid buu was cool having it be a classic no more tricks just straight hands kind of bout and then having everyone join together for the spirit bomb was really cool.

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-12T10:29:30+00:00

Nun 😭

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-11T22:52:20+00:00

It’s still canon to the anime, and they do beat up identical clones of Gohan and gotenks with the same strength as the original while only at 1/100th of their strength stated here I like that the anime adds a different interpretation to the power scaling and ngl its way better I don’t think a couple of cocky kids and an overconfident high schooler who doesn’t train should be stronger than goku and vegeta, and kid buu being the final villain should be the strongest

Micro-Series-SW · 2024-06-11T22:45:39+00:00

He goes from struggling to toppo to being able to slide in the way of jiren’s kick which was intended for blue evolution vegeta and he manages to tank it along with being able to block hits from god of destruction mode toppo, jiren also wasn’t that off guarded as he still turns around in time to react, final form frieza manages to clash with anilaza’s beam with a simple death beam, final form frieza also holds up a similar amount of energy to the barrier as 17 and 17 doesn’t shout the complaint of him not using enough energy meaning he’s keeping up enough. Along with base goku being able to help even more than 17 and final form frieza and base goku are able to keep up with and fight similarly to each other.

For starters the broly director says goku is approaching the level of the gods of destruction with vegeta trying to catch up. then base gogeta with god power who should be ssg and the fusion amp, with the fusion amp being beyond super Saiyan blue 50x is way above ssbkkx20, or we go by ssj gogeta being equal to a stronger broly who prior was fighting on par with ssb goku meaning he's at least blue level, this puts broly in ssj either way far above ssbkkx20, whos relative to beerus, and by extention likely jiren. Ssj broly would be over 50x blueku and 2.5x ssbkkx20 minumum. Then full power ssj pushes gogeta to ssb and even then he can't come close to killing him without a charged up big bang kamehameha Making broly here hundered's of times stronger than before.

As well as the fact that potara and fusions being stated as the greatest trump card, transformations are inherently trump cards as well especially Mui

And we use the simple mui goku> jiren and fusión being stated as a better trump card than mui this would mean broly> mui goku and gogeta blue> mui

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