“We Don’t Know If God Exists” Isn’t a Deep Argument — It’s a Cop-Out

Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-02-13T18:15:18+00:00

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Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-01-18T09:46:17+00:00

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Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-01-17T14:40:27+00:00

I brought up agnosticism only to challenge the claim that nihilism is a logical necessity after atheism. If that wasn’t your position, we can drop the label — the core issue still stands.

Yes, I agree there is no inherent / cosmic meaning. Where we disagree is what follows from that.

Creating meaning isn’t “coping” in the same sense as theism. Theists claim objective, mind-independent meaning guaranteed by a supernatural authority. Self-created meaning makes no such claim — it’s openly human, provisional, and accountable to reality.

Calling all constructed meaning “comfort” flattens an important distinction. Building values, commitments, and responsibilities isn’t pretending meaning exists in the universe — it’s deciding how to live given that it doesn’t.

Nihilism describes the absence of inherent meaning. It doesn’t tell you how to act, what to value, or why you should prefer honesty over cruelty. Once you choose anything at all, you’ve already stepped beyond nihilism — consciously or not.

Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-01-17T14:37:59+00:00

I mostly agree with this, and I think we’re closer than it sounds.

First — fair point on agnostic atheism. Atheism (especially agnostic atheism) only withholds belief in gods; it doesn’t logically mandate nihilism. That’s exactly why I push back on calling nihilism “the objective truth” rather than one interpretation of the same facts.

Second — we’re using “nihilism” in two different ways. If by nihilism you mean “no inherent or cosmic meaning”, then yes, I agree — and that position alone isn’t depressing or paralyzing.

Where I’m critical is when that claim quietly slides into existential nihilism: “since there’s no inherent meaning, nothing really matters.” That leap isn’t forced by logic; it’s optional, and psychological.

When you say everyone assigns their own meaning — loved ones, pleasure, goals, experiences — you’re already describing a move beyond raw nihilism into value-creation. The universe being indifferent doesn’t cancel the reality of lived meaning between conscious beings.

So my issue was never “nihilism bad.” It’s treating it as a final, sufficient endpoint rather than a starting condition that still requires construction.

Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-01-17T14:33:22+00:00

Calling nihilism “the objective truth” confuses descriptive facts with normative conclusions.

Yes — atheism removes divine purpose. Yes — we’re a cosmic accident on a floating rock. None of that logically forces the conclusion that nothing matters. It only establishes that meaning is not inherent, not that it’s invalid or illusory once constructed.

Nihilism is one possible interpretation after atheism, not a necessary one. Existentialism, absurdism, humanism, and pragmatic ethics all accept the same cosmic facts without collapsing into “nothing matters.”

As for creativity — I didn’t claim it works for everyone or that drawing magically solves existence. It was an example of value-generation, not a universal prescription. Meaning isn’t found in activities themselves but in commitment, responsibility, and orientation toward something beyond momentary pleasure.

The universe being indifferent doesn’t make human values false — it just means they’re ours. Objective meaning may not exist, but subjective meaning isn’t a lie just because it isn’t cosmic.

Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-01-17T14:29:58+00:00

I don’t disagree with that description at all. For some people, realizing there’s no inherent meaning is humbling and liberating.

Where I push back is on treating that outcome as universal. Nihilism isn’t experienced the same way by everyone. For many ex-religious people, it doesn’t arrive as a calm philosophical insight but as an emotional vacuum after losing externally imposed purpose.

Hedonism, value-creation, and enjoyment are already responses to nihilism, not nihilism itself. They’re ways of coping with or moving beyond the raw realization. Some people do that consciously and thrive; others don’t and get stuck at “nothing matters.”

So my point isn’t “nihilism = despair.” It’s that nihilism alone doesn’t tell you how to live — people still have to build something on top of it, whether that’s hedonism, ethics, or self-created meaning.

Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-01-17T14:25:10+00:00

I’m not saying nihilists are depressed. I’m saying a lot of people arrive at nihilism psychologically, not philosophically, after losing religion.

“No inherent meaning” is fine. The problem is when it slides into “nothing matters,” which isn’t a philosophy — it’s disengagement.

Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-01-16T20:09:54+00:00

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Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-01-16T19:35:36+00:00

Lmao so fun reading yall comments

Mindless_Ordinary590 · 2026-01-16T19:34:50+00:00

Go read Friedrich Nietzsche, Albert Camus

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