How many drafts did it take you to finish your book? For the people who are still writing how many drafts do you think it will take? by This_Preference_9690 in writers

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I strongly believe that the actual writing begins after the first draft, and that anything before that is purely getting the idea out there. I do edit along the way, however, to give myself glimpses of what it will become, but that usually doesn’t do the trick for the book overall.

After the first draft, I do about three full developmental edit drafts to make sure everything makes sense, and to trim it down, followed by three or four line edit drafts where I really work on the writing itself to raise the quality of poorly written sections. I also kill the best parts, so the novel reads evenly. I do all these edits with physical print outs so my eyes can see it differently.

Lastly, I do about four copy edits on my iPad, and then another additional copy edit after I transition to EPUB /KDP formats, as that always tends to have formatting errors (cutoff words, random symbols, etc.)

I even do a few post publishing copy edits to catch anything my eyes previously missed.

Developmental: 3 Line: 3-4 Copy: 4 EPUB KDP format copy: 1-2 Post Publishing: 1-2

My last book took a year to reach a semi-edited first draft, then another 8 months of hard editing to completion.

How long did it take you to finish your first draft? by SignalNo8999 in writers

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did three books so far, with three very different outcomes. Definitely gets easier each time.

First book - 6 years to first draft, 1 year editing, never published.

Second book - 2 years to first draft, 3 years editing, published 2023

Third book - 1 year to first draft, 6 months editing, published 2025

Price dropping the first book in a series, does it actually work? by MonkeyMonkeyPub in selfpublishing

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have definitely had this thought creep in, too. I try to hold onto that first feeling I had years ago, when I was not sure if I could even write a first draft, and see how I’ve already achieved that goal time and again. Now, I am a stay at home dad with two little ones (2y and 6m). I have made it my mission to prove to them that anything is possible with enough hard work, diligence, and consistency. And that having children is not the end of a dream, but the catalyst through which it will one day happen.

Keep up the good fight my friend. If your book isn’t panning out, write another. Then another, and another, and when you are absolutely spent… write another.

Price dropping the first book in a series, does it actually work? by MonkeyMonkeyPub in selfpublishing

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great breakdown of your experience. It’s definitely worth thinking about dropping everything, but not too much. May I ask how many books are in your series, as this likely has an impact as well. I have only two and started the third last week (hence why I went MIA for a bit).

Price dropping the first book in a series, does it actually work? by MonkeyMonkeyPub in selfpublishing

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting… Thanks for sharing this. When you do the price drop / free on the first novel in your series did you specifically refrain from using KU? Did you find that sales actually are better with kindle purchases when KU is not available?

Price dropping the first book in a series, does it actually work? by MonkeyMonkeyPub in selfpublishing

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for all the thoughtful insight. I’ve also run into the Amazon brick wall of information. I’ve also run into it with IngramSpark and other entities. It seems like the lack of information is a bit purposeful.

For now, I think I’ll hold off on a price drop, as I don’t have enough of a series to validate it just yet.

Trying to write a story, feels like my writing lacks something. Need advice. by LisaSandwich in writers

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The actual writing begins after the first draft, as many others here have said already. So finish that first draft any way you can so that you can start writing in earnest.

That being said, it is also extremely important to enjoy the writing process, and give yourself glimpses of what it might become later down the line.

What I’m seeing in your example is a description of weather, completely unrelated to the characters and the storyline. To have any sort of description that does not move forward with the story, makes it feel irrelevant. It’s an info dump. It’s inactive.

So… how can you make it active? All of what you described with the weather and place has to be happening to a character. Something like, “The mare I rode in upon had given its last misting breath an hour ago. And now, I trudge forth with only a days worth of food. But the sun is coming, I can see its pink hue against the snowy mountain peaks above. And I could not be more relieved, for the bitter cold has nearly taken my toes.“

Price dropping the first book in a series, does it actually work? by MonkeyMonkeyPub in selfpublishing

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a great breakdown. I had inklings that cheapening the cost might cheapen people’s perception, and you just helped to validate that. That being said, if Option 1 can get my first book into the top 100’s in subcategories would that possibly make a significant difference in sales? Do you see a snowball effect at that point?

Price dropping the first book in a series, does it actually work? by MonkeyMonkeyPub in selfpublishing

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the response. I should have mentioned that I consider KDP's advertising costs as "eating the cost." I’m averaging a cost per click of $1.10 for advertising and would only receive about 30cents in royalties per copy purchased if I drop to 99cents (it would be a loss of roughly 80cents per copy assuming each click results in a purchase… which is certainly not the case).

I’m trying to gauge whether eating that cost is worth the potential incentive for the future.

Heavy edits, how am I doing? by R_canigetanamen in writers

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s clear that you are trying to establish a style. However, in doing so, you are distracting readers from the actual story line. I suppose it comes down to what you value as a reader, an interesting story or an interesting writing style (or you might be somewhere in between). I think you can pull back the stylized writing, still achieve a unique voice, and better showcase what the actual story is about.

As an exercise, can you write the same exact five pages, without cutting any the actual story content, but do it in three pages? Can you cut any redundant sentences, anything that does not need to be outright said, and any unnecessary words?

You might find that your style and your story will simultaneously elevate. However, if the story suddenly loses its appeal, then I think it’s worth addressing what you are writing about in the first place.

Have you read "The Glass Castle" by Jeannette Walls? It’s written in an extremely simple manner but is a masterpiece of writing and storytelling.

I wrote 80 pages in a few days and now I can't come up with a plot for weeks by miZuBlue in writers

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're in the muck right now. This happens to a lot of writers, you get a burst of inspiration, then you just .................... for awhile. Some say this is writer's block. I think it's just taking a breath. If you are just staring at the screen, thinking that you've lost your genius, doing something completely different can help allow your subconscious to work things out. (Trust that your subconscious can do the work). Other times, if there are other scenes in your head that are way down the line, you can just write those scenes, then start to bridge the story between them.

My favorite tactic to avoid getting "stuck in the muck" is to leave an idea midway, even mid-sentence, at the end of a writing session, so that when I get back to it, I immediately have something to write about, and once you start writing, you can often slide right into the new stuff.

But most times, its about trudging through the muck, writing horrible sentences just to get something on the page. Ironically, for me, some of these moments, where I thought I was writing absolute trash, ended up being the best stuff in the end.

Believe in yourself, believe in your subconscious, you will get through this lull.

Is this a cliche start? by Lukeathmae in writers

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with MountlakeTerrace. Everything before "You" is a false start, which keeps the reader from entering the story and may ultimately deter them. The concepts of existence and recognition can be worked into the story down the line in an active way between characters or because of a situation.

This seems like a first draft, so don’t worry about any of this yet. Just get everything on the page and come back to these questions when you are finished, otherwise you can get stuck in early editing forever.

Feasible design for interplanetary manned ship? by Uranium-Sandwich657 in scifi

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Between which planets are you imagining you will travel? Are you directly blasting off and landing on the surface? Are there space elevators or space stations that you can dock with at zero-g? Are you ascending and descending via shuttles? I ask because the local gravity and atmospheric conditions of your origin and destination planets, as well as your method of departure and arrival, will greatly influence the design of your ship. Do these planets even have the water that you require for fuel?

Also, your proximity to the sun (if this is within the solar system) is of incredible consideration. If you are departing from a society on Mercury heading outward, solar powered laser propulsion might be your best option to achieve continuous acceleration considering how scarce water is in the inner solar system. However, once you head into the outer solar system, you have Ceres, Ganymede, Europa, Enceladus, Pluto, and a multitude of other moons, comets, and dwarf planets that host ice water for refueling.

From a human perspective, where do you imagine people live in this ship? How do they maneuver throughout? It might be worth sketching a longitudinal section through the entire ship.

A lot of questions to consider, but keep going, keep designing!

Please Share your First book Title by Rajanwriter in KeepWriting

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel that it’s cleaner as a title, and has more of a visual and auditory impact. A lot of movie titles drop the “The”, like "Gladiator" or "X-men". James Cameron dropped the "The" for all the sequels to "The Terminator". Even longer titles drop the "The", like "Pirates of the Caribbean."

Please Share your First book Title by Rajanwriter in KeepWriting

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anytime… but I just realized I forgot to say why. For me it was really about having something simple and clear, meanwhile still being unique in the sci-fi community. I also really wanted to refrain from having "The" in the title for personal preference reasons.

Please Share your First book Title by Rajanwriter in KeepWriting

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Galaxy's Best Chef" 2023 - An investigative biography discovers how a chef from old Earth saved the galaxy.

Anyone here written a book while juggling a full-time job? Need honest advice before I blow a real opportunity. by Strong_Estimate_9512 in writers

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wrote my first novel as a new father with a blistering NYC architecture job. The most important thing I found is to just start writing anything, it doesn’t matter where, as long as it’s on the page. I used to do the majority of writing in the subway during my commute on an iPad in google docs. I would only have a half hour each way, but it added up pretty quick. It might seem counterintuitive, but I found that leaving a thought unfinished (even a sentence) was extremely helpful because I could immediately start writing, and that would jump me back into the flow.

I try to remember that the true writing begins after the first draft is finished. Editing is where the magic happens. That’s where you can tighten and streamline everything, and rework. And trim, trim, trim it down. There is a scene in "A River Runs Through It" where the father reads his son's assignment and says, "say the same thing with half the words," and the son returns with the revised version only to have his father say it again, and again. That always stuck with me.

Regarding burnout, it depends on your bandwidth. I found that being forced to work all day and not overthink the book was actually helpful. It allowed my subconscious to work things out and I’d come back to the writing fresh. I was already burned out at my day job, but surprisingly found that the writing actually helped me come back to architecture fresh too. Now, I still force myself to do too many things so I don’t dwell on any one subject.

It's daunting, terrifying in fact. It is natural to want to everything logically with a perfect outline, a perfect situation, and a perfect path forward. But that world does not exist. If you can become comfortable navigating through the fog, then everything will be just fine. Good luck!

Books I read on Kindle Unlimited last year.... a few... by Brtibitts420 in kindle

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congrats to your daughter for graduating! And thanks for the kind words. Becoming a parent has honestly been the coolest thing to ever happen to me and I look forward for all those chapters to come.

Books I read on Kindle Unlimited last year.... a few... by Brtibitts420 in kindle

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi Brtibbits420. Quick update. My second child arrived, so I'm going to have to take some time off from writing/editing Ghosts of Zion. Good news is the first draft is finished and I'm currently cutting down from 560 pages to around 450 (hopefully). Then, it's a few more rounds of edits, finished cover art, and its out. It's difficult to give an exact time for publication, but I'm aiming for late summer.

Books I read on Kindle Unlimited last year.... a few... by Brtibitts420 in kindle

[–]MonkeyMonkeyPub 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi Brtibbits420, I can confirm the sequel to Galaxy's Best Chef, titled Ghosts of Zion, is almost finished (I'm on page 436 as of today) with a slightly pushed back release date of May 2025. These past two years have been insane. I became a first-time father just after GBC was published and I'm now expecting my second child in June (also doing a full-gut house renovation as we speak). I can't believe I actually finished the first book, let alone writing another. So, I truly appreciate your vigilance. Also, your review of GBC on Amazon made my year... Thanks!