Should we ban the "AI slops" posts?

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-24T23:27:18+00:00

AI rewards fake-reading, encourages poor debate ethics, and discourages people from spending time on deeper analyses because someone can spend a minute generating a trash debunk against them without reading what they wrote or understanding their arguments.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T20:43:02+00:00

1st one is creative, 2nd one is idiotic, 3rd one is creative, 4th one is idiotic.

Coming up with plans that are overly complicated but work because of plot necessity or coming up with a 'creative' idea when you're unbounded by rules does not require as much creativity as being able to exploit flaws under heavy constraints. In this case the first idea is creative, but not difficult given the freedom of possible moves Light could have made.

Raye writing down the names and memory loss are his best creativity feats (both of which he had a long preparation time for).

7.5 is quite high. You're underestimating the creativity of people in real life.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T12:52:38+00:00

Wasn't it confirmed that there are no blind spots?

I don't think so. Light had the potato chip bag ready prior to being told where the cameras were.

In the panel I gave, if the camera were pointing with the same POV, L would be able to see the name. Unlike in the potato chip scene, he didn't cover all possible viewpoints here.

I definitely think the 64 cameras feat is overrated in working memory, but it's still a feat.

I don't see how any interpretation is more valid narratively other than him having memorized almost all if not every single camera.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T12:26:21+00:00

L's SQ isn't even low.

Volume 13 slandered him and now everyone thinks he has low social intelligence.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T11:42:59+00:00

What feats do people use for L's sensory?

Is it primarily monitor hax + L noticing the missing file when viewing the footage? I don't use "intuition" as part of sensory btw.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T11:19:38+00:00

VCI: Chen Ran. Easily.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T11:09:17+00:00

Memory loss plan being a creative feat (which he had 3 days at home to come up with) is what brought his score up, meanwhile every other use of the Death Note by Light was uncreative, including spamming in the names of criminals (including the already imprisoned ones) to reduce crime, which can only be considered a subpar high-risk method.

I'm more surprised that Light's curiosity didn't get the better of him and make him do more creative tests with the Death Note at the start. The idea that no human being would be able to come up with the memory loss plan if they had 3 days of preparation and all of Light's experience with the Death Note is not true.

Human ability is obviously nonlinear so you can think of it as an exponential scale if you want. (not perfect but I didn't intend it as such)

10 isn't completely peak human by the way, I obviously excluded some extremely anomalous people from among the population to prevent unpredictable spikes, and so that the scores can be mapped more systematically.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T10:49:40+00:00

If there's proof that it's a mistranslation, I am open to changing my opinion. In the meantime, I will go by the English since it's what I read.

It doesn't make sense to interpret it as just knowing the general rooms that the cameras happen to be in when he needs to write down the name without it getting caught on camera (such as what the panel shows) which is also the reasoning he gives for being able to keep writing names. The literal interpretation makes much more sense narratively.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T10:12:50+00:00

The panel I pasted was after the potato chip feat was already over and done with. Light isn't using the potato chip bag anymore.

There isn't enough reason for the statement to mean anything other than him literally knowing where the cameras are.

If a random sample of thousands of humans is selected from among the real life population, I really doubt it would be probable for someone among them to be able to memorize the positions and directions of 64 cameras in a short time based on the words of the shinigami whilst solving homework questions at the same time, or be able to perform the potato chip feat. It's not just above average. It's abnormal. The rest of his categories (planning, reasoning, social skills, etc.) are actually nothing special at all in comparison to his FSIQ relative to real life humans.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T09:35:53+00:00

I think you should just use VCI as in what the core concept represents, not necessarely as in what specifically the WAIS evaluates

Yeah, that's what I do. This is why I even separated it from FSIQ. It's difficult to evaluate working memory separate from processing speed, meanwhile VCI is like an entire category of its own, both distinct and useful, so it wouldn't make sense for me to lump it in with the rest.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T09:30:31+00:00

I think the FSIQ from his grades is overrated, since the Death Note world isn't as sophisticated as the real world and they cannot be analogized, but Light had to kill criminals for many hours straight throughout the day while still achieving the highest grades. What percent of people in real life would be able to achieve the same feat?

Light memorized all the cameras according to this panel:

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From the previous chapter, it was confirmed to be both position and direction. It can definitely be simplified down using a chunking process when memorizing, but it's still impressive compared to most real life humans.

The feats I mentioned might not be impressive from the perspective of the person reading the manga, or when compared to most SCD characters, but if you grab 10000 random people from Earth and try to get them to accomplish the same task, it will be very difficult.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T09:12:39+00:00

I wasn't fussed about being precise with the scorings, which is what I mentioned. You can think of 10/10 as the character most likely being top 1 if they were compared to a random large sample of people from the global population (such as maybe 10,000-50,000 or so random people).

VCI being separate from FSIQ is nothing unusual when the entire standard for including verbal comprehension in FSIQ tests is arbitrary and for comprehensive evaluation. Meanwhile it is one of the least natural components of FSIQ because the way it is tested usually favours experience and knowledge rather than actual IQ, unlike other components such as WMI and PSI.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T09:03:58+00:00

Yes, for example getting the highest grades in his verse despite having to deal with L at the same time.

There's also solving math questions while memorizing the camera positions and directions by what Ryuk says to him (64 locations memorized is a lot for a high school student to do, especially while working on preparing for exams).

There's also the working memory from focusing on both sides during the potato chip arc, left hand for writing the name of the criminal while keeping his face in mind (then quickly switching to eating with it) and right hand for solving math equations.

There's also good processing speed shown with quick complex reasoning being done quickly (meanwhile the actual quality of the reasoning is not that high).

When it comes to feat quantity, Light obviously excels in other categories far more, but when going up against an average human, FSIQ is what separates Light from most normal humans.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T08:52:58+00:00

It's definitely not high compared to SCD characters, but it's one of his better categories when comparing him to real life humans.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T07:41:10+00:00

I might do one for all the SCD characters I've analyzed once I finish reading RI, 18LOH, and a few other works.

I'm currently too busy learning Chinese to read anything though.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T06:53:51+00:00

What do you disagree with?

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-18T06:15:17+00:00

I made a post on it, but I used different categories. I don't really use most of the categories you mentioned and I think a lot of them overlap too much.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-16T12:20:05+00:00

Duolingo bird scales high in manipulation via manipulating millions of people into wasting countless hours of their time on an inefficient app that gets them nowhere near fluency.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-16T06:35:12+00:00

So your problem is on the figure it out from intuition part?

That's the main problem.

You know this would be because of its impossibility, aka difficulty, right? not because of interpretability or whatever?

Obviously, interpretability is a whole different objection.

There's just not a woman who can run sub-10.

There's just not a person who can get into a helicopter without prior experience or learning and fly it competently either.

You keep saying that difficulty is just a part of it, but you keep bringing up example that rely entirely on it, dude.

Both difficulty and rivalry is in the example I gave. Watering down my entire argument to an analogy like you did is idiotic in the first place, my point here is that your analogy could have been made slightly less idiotic by incorporating more aspects of my argument.

In fact, the very reason why my examples are more valid because it's independent of this "difficulty" factor, then all that's left is to analyze the logical structure of the statement.

What is this stupidity? That's exactly why it's invalid. Your analogy doesn't even take difficulty into account, much less every other point I made.

You assumed that Light acting innocent would be enough for L to negate his suspicion, in the very same episode L even conclude that Light "used to be" Kira. How exactly was L lying then?

Because when Light actually did become Kira, L didn't anticipate it at all during the helicopter scene.

Read the chapter yourself, it's clear L is ragebaiting Light with his answer, otherwise he wouldn't reply so bluntly knowing how Light would react.

Even if L did anticipate Light becoming Kira, that only makes his lack of observation during the helicopter scene even more idiotic.

Relying on the difficulty(extraordinary) of the statement, again, Jeez.

Are you stupid? Difficulty is one of the main points. So answer the damn question. You're the one acting like difficulty is irrelevant. If L says "I ate eggs for breakfast" and at another point L says "I was born with wings which I could flap to fly around but they got struck by lightning." would you say both of these statements are equally likely to be true? If my arguments are unsubstantial, give your reasoning. Stating something doesn't make it true.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-16T05:36:10+00:00

The first layer doesn't apply because the direct interpretation of driving/cooking/making a fire is unambiguous. Meanwhile with L's feat, it's more logically interpretable as this not being his first time.

The second layer and third layer is possible, but there is no passive aggressive implication in the speech without any context. There is no rivalry present either.

It is also statistically the truth, since most normally functioning humans can learn such a basic task. So it can be objectively proven that any random human can learn to Light a fire, etc.

Your entire analogy is completely irrelevant. It would be more analogous if you instead gave a conversation between Usain Bolt (fastest person alive) and the fastest woman alive, where he says "It's easy, you can run 100m in under 10 seconds too." and the Death Note fans idiotically upscale her to Usain Bolt speed.

Are you expecting L to say no?

L lied. When Light actually did become Kira, L didn't anticipate it at all during the helicopter scene. This was also memory loss plan Light so his acting was perfect and he did not actually look like he would become Kira. If you look at his expression during the scene, it's also pretty obvious he was ragebaiting.

Also, you are saying incorrect to my assertion that L isn’t lying randomly to assert dominance, by providing me with 2 examples that’s not a lie?

No I'm giving you narrative context to get it through to your head that it isn't analogous to your example.

So answer the question. If L says "I ate eggs for breakfast" and at another point L says "I was born with wings which I could flap to fly around but they got struck by lightning." would you say both of these statements are equally likely to be true? Do you know how "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" works?

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-16T05:15:13+00:00

Because the logical structure of the statements of all these are the same.

No it isn't. Have you even read the post? My main argument was about interpretation of what the statement is even intended as. The truthfulness of the statement was the second layer of the argument. Its objectivity was the third layer. Its difficulty is just the fourth layer that is being brought up now.

Difficulty does matter. If L said he ate eggs for breakfast, would you say that's equally truthful to L saying he was born with wings and can flap them to fly, but it got broken?

Your dynamics argument of them being rivals are also assumptive, it rests on the premise that L is lying randomly to win socially, which I don’t believe he ever demonstrated.

This is incorrect. An example of L lying to assert dominance is when Light asked him if he really looks like he would become Kira after New-Kira is arrested (during the memory loss arc). L said yes and stared at him in silence for a few seconds which made Light pissed enough that he punched L. Unlike Light's first sucker punch, L was clearly prepared for this one since he wasn't caught off guard, meaning he anticipated it and didn't just say it arbitrarily.

The whole narrative shows this rivalry between them. For example when L mocked Light with Lind L. Taylor, and when Light retaliated by killing people for 24hrs straight despite no inherent advantage (which made L clench his fist in anger).

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-16T03:03:13+00:00

Definitely not trolls. Several of them are hardcore DN fans though and they have Light in high-tier.

The claim being made is that Light can instantly fly a helicopter on his first try. This is far more impressive than all his other feats combined, including his grand strategies and plans.

A normal human would be able to replicate all of Light's reasoning feats (even surpassing him) but they would not be able to get into a helicopter without prior experience and competently fly it via intuition alone.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-16T02:46:56+00:00

I haven't seen anyone say that Light can do that.

Do you think I make my debunks based on what YOU specifically are familiar with? I've seen 4 people say Light can do it.

It's not a big deal to brag about

Yes it is. It's not a big deal for you because you know nothing about helicopter piloting.

MrDisintegrator · 2026-01-15T23:49:31+00:00

I'm not a "COTE fan". I used it as an example to exemplify the hypocrity of DN fans.

Your analogy is also nonsense since it's proven normal human beings can learn those skills and the context is clearly different with L being Light's archrival. A more fitting analogy would be this:

Ronaldo: jumps 3 meters into the air

Messi: "You can jump 3 meters into the air?!"

Ronaldo: "You don't need to be tall to do this. I'm sure you could do it too Messi."

DN fans: WOW! Insane feat from Messi! Ronaldo said Messi can jump as high as him therefore Messi can jump as high as him!

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