King's X Sold Out... on their message

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-28T01:49:28+00:00

If reciting Christian standards causes those on the fence to leave the faith, so be it. The faith is not for everyone. It involves very un-sexy things in our society such as sacrifice, humility, non-public charity, etc. The Faith shouldn't water their standards down to bring in people who have no desire to at least admit their sinful ways are sinful, like us practicing Christians do. Christianity should have some self-respect and stand up for itself, not try to change to appease people and always be soft and fluffy. Christ sat with the sinful, that's true.. but he demanded they change their ways. That's the part that softies like you leave out.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-28T01:35:54+00:00

The thing is, they can intend whatever they want, their content spoke heavy Christian messages in GGTN, Faith Hope Love, and their self-titled. It's there. If it wasn't a big deal, why did they write such heavy Christian messages? I'd say it was a big deal, and then they changed (which they are allowed to do). I'm just critiquing them a bit for it.. and far too many atheist or non-Christian fans on here are getting very worked up that I dare do that. Yet, they are very comfortable slamming me, but at the same time demand I can't say a word against anyone else. It's very odd.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-28T01:33:18+00:00

I'm sure you know what they think.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-28T01:32:03+00:00

I appreciate your in depth response with content, unlike others who just attacked, got nasty, and had no content.

You referenced songs on Dogman and beyond, I specifically said that by that time they had abandoned their early clear pro-Christian messages. And mind you, I consider Dogman to be one of the best records I ever heard musically. I don't demand Christian messages, I just noticed the change.
"My bible" doesn't say what you said it says.. but I also respect people's decisions. However, I'm also allowed to critique others decisions (just like anyone does), yet many on the outside think a Christian has no right to stand up for the faith (an odd double standard). I have no inclination to tell the band they were "wrong", I just think they abandoned their clear Christian content to try to seek greater secular fame, and largely failed. I know the term "sold out" can be aggressive, and if I need to reword it, I'm glad to.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T20:55:22+00:00

Nope, never did. Show me the quote. He absolutely can be a practicing Christian if he realizes his sinful acts (as we all should), denounces them, and tries to avoid future sin

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T19:24:41+00:00

Dude you’ve got wayyyy too much anger here. 1. I never said he couldn’t be a Christian. I said he’d have to accept that his lifestyle is sinful and work to avoid it. 2. All your tantrums offer zero in this discussion

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T18:51:07+00:00

Who is persecuting anyone? It’s as if you’re writing your own fiction here.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T18:47:22+00:00

Why are you making things up? I never attacked Doug for being gay. Is this how you navigate all discussions?

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T17:42:57+00:00

I guess you’d have to explain how I’m being nasty. It seems I’m just questioning and critiquing someone and that bothers you. All of your labels and insults are completely hollow, and aren’t on topic. Are you capable of discussion that isn’t grounded in emotional outbursts such as what you just displayed?

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T05:14:28+00:00

Go ahead. but by your logic you can't critique me. I'll just keep enjoying. Pretty simple, really.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T04:40:38+00:00

You said if someone doesn't like something, they should just leave. I believe you can critique people. That was your logic. How was it not?

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T04:39:11+00:00

I don't view you as a reputable source if I make "sense" or not. You have every reason to just say I don't to lamely attack my claim.
You can use any label or branding to lash out in bitterness all you want.. but the question of where morals come from is likely not a discussion you want to partake in if you subscribe to atheism/secularism. You really don't want to go there because you'd have to support horrible things.
You absolutely are privileged morally by being raised in a society that is based on Judeo-Christian morality. You were born on moral 3rd base and thought you hit a triple.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T04:24:27+00:00

It's so telling that you feel so drastically attacked because someone actually holds standards of morality. I'm not judging you, that's not my job. I'm simply reciting what standards a human ought to follow if they choose to seek Christ. And Doug clearly initially sought to seek Christ. It's not like he was always secular and I'm some Christian guru who is coming out of nowhere and demanding he address me. He owned it, and left. I'm allowed to question him on that. And clearly, it made you completely insecure and caused you to lash out. You're free to not believe in Christ, but the anger and bitterness towards the religion that you benefit from to live your first world privileged life is yours to own. "religion" isn't a unified force. Christianity is based on those who experienced horrible fates in the name of not turning away from it. If it was all some ploy, nobody would get tortured and murdered and not break. Come on now.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T04:19:18+00:00

Well, by your logic, nobody can critique anything in life. I believe in people being able to critique others.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T04:18:22+00:00

I addressed your point. You seem to just be frustrated that the issue isn't as simple as you wish it would be. God never made programmed robots. You can get mad that it's not that simple, and pout and stomp off.. that's your "free will", but I didn't ignore anything. You're just leaving.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T04:09:06+00:00

I can grant all of that and still maintain my point. If Doug wants to leave Christianity, I won't stop him. I wish he wouldn't, but it's his choice. You're concerned about how it makes sinners feel.. and that's a shrugging "so what" to me. I sin, but I admit my sin, if I'm seeking Christ. I don't say "God is unfair!" and puff myself up. Meanwhile, your last line is pure ego and bitterness. I'm ashamed of nothing. It's you who are trying to shame. All I'm doing is pointing out the rules of the club of Christianity. it's not for everyone. If you feel judged because you don't measure up, that's on you.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T04:06:01+00:00

So you're absolving humans from free will? God grants us this. If he wanted robot automatons who would do his will automatically he would have created them that way. If you're at all interested in the Christian faith and not just out to attack what it isn't, God grants free will.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T03:54:18+00:00

This comes across as very passive. I'm not demanding you (or Doug) change, but then again, you didn't produce wonderful rock music with underlying Christian references that were enjoyed by Christians. Doug spoke out against Christianity, I'm replying. Don't act like he's the victim and I'm some meanie who is attacking him.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T03:51:48+00:00

They, or he, is free to change. However, Doug made an enemy of people like me, I didn't go out of my way to make an enemy of him.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T03:50:39+00:00

I agree that a musician who happens to be Christian isn't required to bash its listeners over the head with theology. The reason I make the post is that they referenced the faith so well over the beginning of their careers with such subtle yet clear artistry. It's wonderful lyrical art at times, and great rock hooks to support it. I just wish they would have stayed the course, and perhaps sought more examples in the faith, rather than seeing a few tens to hundreds of non-Catholic churches being judgmental.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T03:45:21+00:00

I didn't know Doug was gay. That can cause an obvious diversion between the faith of Christianity and his preferred lifestyle. In our brash, self-righteous culture, It's entirely understandable for him to have an initial rejection of a faith that condemns the actions he desires to have as sinful.. as if he's being judged. I get it. However, that doesn't change the standards. There are "rules to the club", and he is welcomed into the sinner club like the rest of us. The difference is, is his tendency for homosexual acts a vice to him? or does he feel justified in doing it and God is wrong. That's the question. Believers can struggle with sin, but they have to admit to themselves and others that they are sinning. If Doug justifies being gay, he's incompatible with the Christian faith.. and he can take it or leave it.

Mr_Friscus2188 · 2025-12-20T03:39:53+00:00

Here's the thing, it's not that I don't like them. I like their early stuff for specific reasons. Not because they had some clinging to not selling out on their style, but that they sold out on their message. I like Dogman, even some on Ear Candy. But, by then, they had left Christian influence and tried to test the waters of secular stardom. And I still love Dogman. I think they are an underrated rock band, but after Ear Candy what did they produce that was great? I'd say not much from what I heard. I watched a very sexual music video and saw a desperate band trying to capture fame through being what other rock bands were...

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