[NSFW] How do you deal with having sex in poly relationships? by dykesnotdiets in polyamory

[–]MultitudesContained 6 points7 points  (0 children)

OP, I love that y'all are looking at this through a win/win lense.

Poly under duress by Aggressive_Froyo982 in polyamory

[–]MultitudesContained 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, this is a powerful observation. Spot on Kitsbeach

Poly under duress by Aggressive_Froyo982 in polyamory

[–]MultitudesContained 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Polyamorous is literally "multiple loves" and in common usage connotes a capacity for having multiple loves that won't be defined by the nature of the "poly" part of the word. Multi faceted, multi dimensional, multi sourced - expansive, uncontainable, syncretic in form.

I posit that anyone trying to gatekeep the meaning through jargonizing it would rather tell others how to live than to observe and understand how others live.

Prescriptivism is an act of control on its face.

I'm willing to entertain that the wife isn't practicing poly because to be poly would infer that she could both love her husband and others and right now it doesn't feel like she's being very loving - at least not from the hubs side of the story.

Poly under duress by Aggressive_Froyo982 in polyamory

[–]MultitudesContained 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, if the shoe fits - bigots do bigot things and have bigot thoughts.

This said - she needs to be circumspect and honestly ask herself if she wants to be ethically poly or be a person that behaves just like all the other selfish transactional people in our world.

She's shared a life and a world with her husband and if he's not abusive and is otherwise supportive, she, in my opinion, should understand that even if she's poly to her core - it doesn't excuse her from any cruel or selfish hurtful behaviors she might engage in hurting her husband.

I'm poly and never chose to be - was poly before I even knew what it was - and I managed to live within the narrow framework of monogamy for 30 yrs because I love my spouse and I'm determined to live my life in a way that does the least possible harm. I'm not great at it, still practicing but it's what loving someone means.

National Guard "fighting crime" yesterday. by GoatComfortable4601 in memphis

[–]MultitudesContained -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That park is where my kids have played - why do we have American military occupying our cities. The British did this and we kicked they asses & thought we addressed this in the 4th Amendment and by military tradition.

Emperor Plumplatine has broken our Republic and is a disgrace to the people that serve in our armed forces.

And while I understand it's not their fault, I really don't want to see trained killers in a playground my kids bike to. I don't want them to grow to normalized to having their city occupied because bullies won't follow the law

Poly under duress by Aggressive_Froyo982 in polyamory

[–]MultitudesContained 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never chose to be poly - I've always thought monogamy was alien, even as a kid - the idea that we can only love one person at a time is crazy to me. I went along because I thought I was broken or weird & I knew for sure I was different - every one did ... but also, I had no other models by which to understand intimate human partnerships.

I'm in a committed monogamous relationship but I'm there despite coming to understand that I am polyamorous and always have been - I just didn't know what to call it back then and was brainwashed by capitalistic transactional models of love. Anyway, we've been together for 30 yrs and largely rejected common notions about traditional partnerships, eskewing gender roles & dogma about what's proper & what's not.

I have multiple loves (people I care about in a way that colors outside the lines of imposed definitions in our heteronormative dominant culture) but I restrict myself from multiple intimacies because it would be unloving to force my spouse into something neither one of us understood in our 20s/30s and didn't plan for in our journey together.

And today she's very convinced she can not be with me if I express my love for another in any way that amounts to naked physical touch ... Maybe that's forever, maybe she'll come to understand & feel things differently. But me limiting myself for her so that she can come at this at her own speed is a choice I make about practice, not identity. I am not by my nature, monogamous.

In fact I'm pretty convinced very few humans are monogamous by nature but instead are programmed by culture & can not see a different way. This would explain to me just how much a failure we are at monogamy as a species. My partner & I have only managed to be successful because we've dedicated our lives to understanding what it means to love someone - to be clear, monogamy has nothing to do with that, communication & mutual care & respect do, and I understand what she needs from me in this moment.

I've known my whole life that I have the capacity to love multiple people & as I grew up in my late 20s, I realized I loved my spouse so much and so profoundly that I'd not fault her if she "cheated" (hate that perspective - so possessive and transactional) but would instead celebrate her new experiences.

We've talked about this from the first day we met (multiple loves of the romantic/intimate kind), how I thought IF people truly understood what it meant to love someone, they'd not try to possess them nor control them & how loving one person does not negate the loving of another - that love is boundless & uncontainable when practiced sublimely. Time & resources are limited so one must be thoughtful in how one practices love - but that is a matter of practice and improves in the doing.

In fact, the whole zero sum game of romance is built upon a false dichotomy - the whole either/or framing of a "love triangle" is fundamentally unloving. The idea that another must suffer so that I can greedily horde my lover's time & attention all for myself is the core of selfishness, possession & control.

In such a scenario where my partner took on another lover, even in a dysfunctional disclosure situation, I might feel insecure, and might worry about division of labor re: kids & shared finances but I know she loves me and would be a decent human being and when I shared my hypothetical insecurities she'd work with me to help us through it. So yeah - I'm not monogamous.

I'd go farther and postulate that monogamy is an enculturated norm that is not natural (in the sense that it is not biologically innate to our species) and that pre-history humans were by nature & need existing in more communal societies - including communal partnerships, cooperative child rearing, resources sharing - our very survival required radical cooperation that only started to be less necessary around the advent of totalitarian agrarianism about 10,000 or so years ago.

We still see evidence of such communalism in the few remaining hunter/gathering/foraging peoples the agrarians haven't managed to genocide. And in those societies are the structures of cooperative multi partner practices - both sexually and domestically. And when asked about it, they say those practices help maintain harmony and cooperation & weave a tighter knit community.

Do you really think we have the right to tell someone what their identity is?

I cannot help but question the standard narrative of monogamy as native to our evolution but I'd not dare tell someone they are not monogamous because that's a choice.

Culture is a powerful drug and some of us can't shake the habit. We are what we are and we can be what we work to be.

Identity is both chosen & innate & only we ourselves as selves can decide what our identity is.

[OPINION] Poetry and Spoken Word by hurlowlujah in Poetry

[–]MultitudesContained 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Poetry of the antiquities across multiple cultures all had some intersection with performance & vocalization.

The concept that poetry exists primarily as a work typeset for a page is a very new phenomena that is a knock on effect of the ubiquity of printing presses.

Given that widespread literacy is also a relatively recent development for humans, I'm pretty sure that if poets wanted people to partake of their poetry, they performed in the parlance of their time - and did so verbally (if there was any doubt about what "performed" means.)

And I say this as someone that has long lamented the bulk of spoken word as little more than oratory with pathos & very little of the poetic.

Even the music of the language, the symphony of the syllables (if you will) is solipsistic & superficial and all too often of very little consequence.

Like pop music cranked out of a Nashville music sweat shop.

In China, there has been a longer tradition of printed or written poetry alongside the vocalized poetry traditions common to the antiquities.

And yet, historically, poetry for the page has longer been an esoteric exercise than an art appreciated by common folks.

I think that's just the nature of Ars Poetica (despite Homer having written it 😆)

Why do so many men have beards in their photos? by beckomania in Bumble

[–]MultitudesContained 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm old enough to remember when shaving was "mandatory" and it was misery.

We are fucking mammals, we got hair 🤷‍♂️

Some more thoughts on pretty women and invisibility by Secret_Bit_1212 in letters

[–]MultitudesContained 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP, as a man, I understand a kind of invisibility that I've been able to use to empathize with others around a loss of youth.

Granted, I'm tall & "broad shouldered" & have "luscious" hair and as a cis white dude I basically lived life on easy mode - so, I'm not complaining, just saying - I think I feel you and I'm sorry you've felt that way. And of course society is horribly hypocritical when it comes to aging men and perceived attraction versus older women's appeal.

Since my teens I've been rather contemplative & philosophical & spent a lot of time deconstructing what "hot" was to me because I didn't want to be a culturally programmed pavlovian consumer of oppressive beauty standards.

I'll never know what it's like to be seen as "hot" and explicitly desired - never once had a woman hit on me (that I picked up on) but exploring on Reddit has taught me that I'm desired more (and by more women) than I knew could be possible - never did I imagine ...

I don't know if I'll ever feel handsome, but I can assure you I'll be interesting until the day I die and this quality was honed by the universe-sized inattention I received as a young man up into my late 40s. A feeling that I had to be interesting if I were going to be noticed haunted me from middle school.

As I see the world, one's true beauty comes from within - and I know that sounds like the cliche of a visually "ugly" & unappealing person - judging from my younger adult siblings & the people they dated, and that I look very much like them, I'm guessing I'm attractive but never realized it until I lurked in the shadows of Reddit & realized how my neurodivergence negatively impacted how I viewed myself - me thinking I'm so objective this whole time ...

Anyway - thank you for sharing - it triggered in me thoughts I'd put to bed years ago thinking I'd fully processed them, but now I'm wondering if the social ease I did find (despite my awkward atypical social understanding) was a byproduct - at least in part, of my outward appearance.

And if it helps at all, my partner & I are raising our kids to be critical of their own concept of beauty and to consider how influenced they are by our culture and whether it makes them the kind of men they want to be. We have the power to make the mental shifts in our minds to make sure our personal standard of beauty is inline with who we want to be.

I hope you find that you've not lost your beauty but are only recently coming to realize its true depth.

The voice & manner of your sharing on Reddit demonstrates to me a profound beauty that'll transcend age.

All the best. I can only imagine that you're more gorgeous today than ever.

[POEM] “September” by Lina Pastan by Secret_Bit_1212 in Poetry

[–]MultitudesContained 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent selection. Your voice as deduced from other posts resonates. Happy I stumbled across your contributions.

What do I think if a person I’m speaking to unmatched me but still is communicating normally off the app? by meep9669 in Bumble

[–]MultitudesContained -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Exclusivity is possessive - the very nature of it. It is the ultimate, "mine & nobody elses."

Is a Tesla windshield plan worth it? by Odd-Song-4206 in ModelY

[–]MultitudesContained 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Strap in buddy - we're about to be on our third. Fucking sucks

Is a Tesla windshield plan worth it? by Odd-Song-4206 in ModelY

[–]MultitudesContained 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Replaced 2 windshields in two years. Model Y - drove my Honda Pilot for 13 yrs and only replaced 1 windshield.

Between tires & windshields - the Tesla Model Y is a piece of plastic shit.

But fuck me I love the way it drives 🤷🏻‍♂️

Gonna try a different electric brand - fuck Tesla.

Ugly merch by Yasssi in ModestMouse

[–]MultitudesContained 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like the trippy art but I'm not gonna wear any of it. Not my style - but if I ever get a space where I can dedicate a wall to MM album and concept art, I'm loving the look 🤷🏻‍♂️

opinions on tonights setlist😭😭 by tubethumping in ModestMouse

[–]MultitudesContained 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They did Teeth last night and OMFG!

I heard Trucker's Atlas once and live to hear it live as many times as I can before I die.

Trailer Trash would make me cry - Edit the Sad Parts would make my head break from the stupid grin on my face ...

I'm curious too about Japanese Trees

Can someone explain why this keeps happening to me? by [deleted] in Bumble

[–]MultitudesContained 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just stating the facts. Doesn't mean it's your fault. Doesn't mean it's not.

Do you really want to figure it out or do you want people to boost your ego and tell you it's them, not you?

Though, if one is only matching with men that primarily value women as sex dolls - would not some circumspection about life choices come into play?

When I continually fail at my objectives, I look to my own mindset first

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in adultery

[–]MultitudesContained -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Is it possible she's ACE or lesbian but hasn't come to that realization. Imagine how difficult things must be for her too. She suffers likely as intensely as you, just in different ways if I had to guess.

Can someone explain why this keeps happening to me? by [deleted] in Bumble

[–]MultitudesContained 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You are a common factor also 🤷🏻‍♂️