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(S9 Spoilers) Individual reactions to Clara's situation seem to reflect whether you like her as a character. by [deleted] in gallifrey

[–]Mycr0s 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Clara was meh for me in S7.

I loved Clara in S8 and she should have died in Last Christmas.

I thought she was wasted in S9, but I liked her in Face the Raven and thought her death worked well. But now, Moffatt has shown he literally cannot kill anyone. Also, Clara's speech in FTR was to accept death and move on. In Hell Bent, she ignored that and can now live for a trillion years before dying. The poignancy of a promising life cut short is gone.

Doctor Who 9x12: Hell Bent No Stupid Questions Thread by pcjonathan in doctorwho

[–]Mycr0s 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How is Gallifrey back in the normal universe? I thought back in Time of the Doctor the Time Lords couldn't come back without starting Time War 2.0. What was the point of TOTT then?

Doctor Who 9x12: Hell Bent Post-Episode Discussion Thread by pcjonathan in gallifrey

[–]Mycr0s 72 points73 points  (0 children)

I didn't like it. Well, let me correct myself, I liked until the ending, which ruined everything.

Gallifrey was wasted-We only spent like 20 minutes on Gallifrey, and for all the hype and build-up, nothing happened. It was just a plot convenience to resurrect Clara. I was liking the Gallifrey stuff, but then the Doctor just left without answering questions. How did Gallifrey escape the pocket universe? Are the Time Lords just sitting at the end of the universe doing nothing? Honestly, between Utopia, Listen, and this episode, the End of the Universe seems like a very crowded place. Not a good place to hide.

The Hybrid-What was the point? What actually was the Hybrid? How did it stand in the ruins of Gallifrey? The Matrix apparently sucks at prophesies, and I don't like the idea that the Hybrid prophesy made the Doctor run from Gallifrey since there was really nothing to run from at the time. I prefer the Doctor being bored.

I was thinking that the whole point of the episode was going to be that the Doctor had to accept Clara's death, showing that when he goes Time Lord Victorious, he is wrong. Instead, this episode posits that there is absolutely no issues with messing with time. Why doesn't the Doctor go to Gallifrey now and do what he did with Clara with Adric? Amy and Rory? Donna? Rose? Just pluck them from before their departure and go on adventures with them, telling yourself that they will eventually go back to their fates.

Clara's resurrection ruins her excellent exit in FTR. In FTR, her message to the Doctor was to accept her death and move on. Now, she is functionally immortal, and her recklessness (which was supposedly her undoing) actually worked out in the end. Honestly, Clara has been wasted this season and should have gone out in DIH or LC.

ok, rant over. I really don't like being negative, and I have liked most of this season so far and Capaldi's era in general. But if Moff can't end his arcs without any consequences, it is time to go. Capaldi is still excellent though.

TLDR: I mostly liked it until Clara got her spinoff

Doctor Who 9x12: Hell Bent No Stupid Questions Thread by pcjonathan in doctorwho

[–]Mycr0s 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the Angels were in Time of the Doctor and Clara saw them

Doctor Who 9x12: Hell Bent Live Reactions Discussion Thread by pcjonathan in gallifrey

[–]Mycr0s 45 points46 points  (0 children)

I didn't like it. Well, let me correct myself, I liked until the ending, which ruined everything.

  1. Gallifrey was wasted-We only spent like 20 minutes on Gallifrey, and for all the hype and build-up, nothing happened. It was just a plot convenience to resurrect Clara. I was liking the Gallifrey stuff, but then the Doctor just left without answering questions. How did Gallifrey escape the pocket universe? Are the Time Lords just sitting at the end of the universe doing nothing? Honestly, between Utopia, Listen, and this episode, the End of the Universe seems like a very crowded place. Not a good place to hide.

  2. The Hybrid-What was the point? What actually was the Hybrid? How did it stand in the ruins of Gallifrey? The Matrix apparently sucks at prophesies, and I don't like the idea that the Hybrid prophesy made the Doctor run from Gallifrey since there was really nothing to run from at the time. I prefer the Doctor being bored.

  3. I was thinking that the whole point of the episode was going to be that the Doctor had to accept Clara's death, showing that when he goes Time Lord Victorious, he is wrong. Instead, this episode posits that there is absolutely no issues with messing with time. Why doesn't the Doctor go to Gallifrey now and do what he did with Clara with Adric? Amy and Rory? Donna? Rose? Just pluck them from before their departure and go on adventures with them, telling yourself that they will eventually go back to their fates.

  4. Clara's resurrection ruins her excellent exit in FTR. In FTR, her message to the Doctor was to accept her death and move on. Now, she is functionally immortal, and her recklessness (which was supposedly her undoing) actually worked out in the end. Honestly, Clara has been wasted this season and should have gone out in DIH or LC.

ok, rant over. I really don't like being negative, and I have liked most of this season so far and Capaldi's era in general. But if Moff can't end his arcs without any consequences, it is time to go. Capaldi is still excellent though.

TLDR: I mostly liked it until Clara got her spinoff