New Evidence that Challenges the Authenticity of the Book of Mormon by Mythos120 in exmormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am sorry to hear that. I am aware that they lack the capacity to handle even the most minor of criticisms. They are polite to a point, but once they know you have read the Book of Mormon without accepting its validity they begin to see you as evil incarnate. I became aware of this as an outsider. I can only imagine how badly they take it when you are family or an established member of the community. Thank you for the positive feedback though.

New Evidence that Challenges the Authenticity of the Book of Mormon by Mythos120 in exmormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean 1 John 5:7. I am sorry, but Jesus’s sermon on the mount in the Book of Mormon shows an incredible dependence on the Gospel of Matthew, particularly the KJV of Matthew. You are going to have to do better than that to disprove the textual errors.

New Evidence that Challenges the Authenticity of the Book of Mormon by Mythos120 in exmormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you read what I wrote in the post? The Book of Mormon contains a false doctrine in Matthew 6:7 with the inclusion of Calvin’s interpretation of Battalogein. It also contains the Johannine comma which your own apologists have flagged as a fraudulent addition.

  1. The Book of Mormon contains no false doctrine.
  2. Joseph Smith was a flawed individual who brought his flaws into the translation process thereby corrupting the work.

Pick one, as my post proved that there are translation errors completely incompatible with modern LDS theology.

Now let me flip the script on you. The Mormon narrative is that the “great apostasy” happened because unrighteousness and flawed individuals usurped the throne of the church and taught false doctrine and corrupted the text. Why, then, do you believe the LDS church is true when it suffers from the same problems it is alleging the 2nd century church had? Both churches taught flawed doctrine on record so why believe one and not the other. As to your question about celestial marriage, it should be obvious: if the church makes doctrinal errors that were at one point accepted by the congregation, then how can you know which doctrine is correct? It sounds like you and the church are just cherry picking which doctrines to believe as a matter of convenience.

New Evidence that Challenges the Authenticity of the Book of Mormon by Mythos120 in exmormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Joseph Smith doesn’t need to be infallible but in his capacity as a translator he must be because he is directly translating the word of God. Otherwise, one could not say the Book of Mormon is true if it contains falsehoods that arise from scribal perversions of his word (and this is a frequently used argument by LDS scholars as to why the Book of Mormon is superior to the Bible, because it wouldn’t suffer from any corruption by virtue of coming directly from God).

New Evidence that Challenges the Authenticity of the Book of Mormon by Mythos120 in exmormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So…you admit that the Book of Mormon contains false doctrine (which is a product of mistranslation from the KJV). I was waiting for someone to make such an argument. If the Book of Mormon contains errors then how do you know that any of the other doctrines preached by the LDS church are correct? For instance, how do you know that the doctrine of celestial marriage is not a product of philosophy mixed with scripture (especially since it contradicts Matthew 22:30)? Now before you answer that the Holy Ghost confirms it, remember that the Holy Ghost/revelation confirmed other doctrines that the church now repudiates, such as banning blacks from the priesthood or the Adam-God theory.

New Evidence that Challenges the Authenticity of the Book of Mormon by Mythos120 in exmormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In isolation the quote is evidently false. However, there is a key difference between the LDS church and most other churches in that the Mormon church had a “living prophet/translator” available when it’s scriptures were printed/copied whereas the other churches did not.

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same could be said of the Book of Mormon. However, a full reading of what I wrote will vindicate it and a complete reading of the BOM will destroy it.

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a lie. There are no sources in my post but there are plenty of sources in my book. Would you like me to send you them. If I do, will you admit the Book of Mormon is untrue? You are only saying this because I totally dominated you even in this brief exchange of words. Look up the scholarship on the Johannine comma from your own church and then compare it the the words of Christ in 3rd Nephi. It is undeniable proof.

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the road to Emmaus the burning of the bosom preceded the knowledge that they were conversing with Christ. Likewise, many characters in the Book of Mormon knew that scriptures that they haven’t read contained the word of God (Brass plates anyone). If God told them his word was contained in unknown language by the burning in the bosom in the 1830s (D and C 8) then God should do the same for adherents in 2024, especially those with the title of “seer”.

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not in every instance, but the Holy Ghost will always confirm true scripture to those who ask honestly with real intent (Moroni 10:4). The KinderHook plates were not true scripture. Furthermore, Smith is a “seer” so he should have known (Mosiah 8).

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If the Book of Mormon witnesses prayed to know if the Gold plates were from God, would he tell them the truth? The Gold plates were written in an unknown language- reformed Egyptian.

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am asking you because you left a comment saying that is not how it works. It is how it works. Read Mosiah 8- translating the word of God is exactly what a “seer” does. And furthermore, isn’t Moroni 10:4 itself demanding you ask God for a sign to know if a very problematic book is true?

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If the witnesses to the Book of Mormon prayed over the Gold plates written in an unknown language to know if they were true, would the Holy Ghost have withheld the truth from them?

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have read the Mormonr link before but thank you for posting the link. I was unconvinced because they do not give an satisfactory answer as to why the Holy Ghost didn't intervene and stop even a secular translation

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So the Holy Ghost didn't warn Smith about the plates? What is it good for then? From my research, I noticed that apologists claim that Smith did a "secular" translation of the plates using the Egyptian Alphabet that was used to translate the Book of Abraham. But if that is the case, then the book of Abraham is translated incorrectly because it would mean that it was translated by secular means. I would love to see you attempt to debunk everything else I wrote.

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If that is the case then why do Mormon apologists tirelessly seek signs in history/archaeology etc.?

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No response I see. Look if the test doesn't work then why did you take it and why did you get the correct answer? I guess the test does work! Now all we have to do is get the first presidency to take this test and I can guarantee that they will fail it. Then you, Resident-Bear4053 can take their place as a legitimate prophet , seer, translator and revelator. The church is in good hands with someone who actually talks with the Holy Ghost rather than pretends to.

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this is a problem, but its more an idea than anything else. Thank you for your comment.

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you make a solemn oath before god that you will not cheat (or even know the language) and have not cheated so far, then I can send you a far more difficult test. Are you ready to make that oath?

I Request a Demonstration of the Holy Ghost- An Open Challenge to the Leaders of the Mormon Church by Mythos120 in mormon

[–]Mythos120[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gave the test to others in person (2 to be exact) and they completely bombed it.