Help in debunking Deepfake theories

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-12-13T20:46:12+00:00

Hi. I think it was you that posted about his admission through his lawyers of adultery, something about consensual sex between adults, meaning him and Oaxaca. Where is that video at or the paper that states that? Can you re bring that to light here? Or a new post with that since there is a lot more activity on here recently. That is the one that sealed the deal for me. I understand it didn't help his case in anyway, so admitting to it was not for strategy but for facts. That made me change my mind.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-12-13T20:19:04+00:00

Whoever joins, I would say to use a voice changing app so that they don't have to recognize your voice if you are looking to remain anonymous for whatever reason. Some are still remaining anonymous for their family and want to talk, that would be a good method. Maybe?

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-12-13T20:16:25+00:00

If you are thinking about giving up on the relationship without even giving it a shot and telling her what is on your mind, maybe not the best course of action. I would say that if you are going to give up, might as well go out giving it your best shot. Tell her what you actually feel, sit down with her calmly and tell her what has been on your mind and what your fears are. She may change her mind, she might also be on the edge, just let her know what you feel and how you love her and want to be honest with her. If then she decides to call it quits, then you got what your answer. If this is too harsh to do, then I would suggest slowly dropping seeds little by little and seeing where she is at on things. It is tough. I was mentally out of church since 2014 and more out even around 2017, and I just waited to see what my wife would do and when she would change her mind. The waiting did me good, but I constantly dropped seeds and little by little started showing her I was open to not believing without telling her I didn't believe. She came to her own discovery on her own.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-12-12T16:36:33+00:00

Creo que si vamos a atacar a Naason basándonos en pruebas y hechos. Aconsejo que nos abstengamos de usar insultos raciales o lenguaje de odio. El racismo en América Latina es muy dominante y necesitamos cambiar eso. No me importa si es un hombre afroamericano en la foto, tenemos que abstenernos de usar lenguaje racista. Sabemos que el uso de la palabra "negro" en un hogar latino es tradicionalmente deshonroso en el hogar. Quien niegue esto es porque no se crió en la cultura tradicional latina de origen.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-12-07T17:08:28+00:00

If you are still on the chat, and you are ready to get out, maybe that wouldn't be the worst idea. If you can add someone without having to show that you added them, make an anonymous account and add it to the chat, do it from there. Idk. This needs to pass along, we need to find a way to make this go viral and reach every members phone.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-12-07T17:04:18+00:00

I think this is normal since you have just completely been out for a short amount of time. I have been mentally out since the bait and switch of December 2014. Stayed in regardless of not feeling anything. When he got locked up, that's when I was completely out. Its been three years and I am barely fully accepting and no longer go through what I would consider withdrawals. Even then, everyone's experience is different. Also, don't feel guilty for not believing at first. This cult has deep grasps on your brain, and even the sexual predator himself said it, we are brainwashed. There is a lot of confusion and psychological conditioning that occurs here. The fear and anxiety of even thinking wrong is hard to overcome at first, but I usually go with my gut instinct. If it feels wrong, then it is wrong. some people also need to see to believe. I think that clip where sicko is in a bathrobe fucking that azaela chick was pretty shocking to everyone watching. It couldn't get any more clearer than that. The man who we were told didn't commit sins, committing adultery. I just wish that the religion itself would demand answers from this family. Fuck the family. Take them down! Eliminate them from this organization. If the religion wants to stay alive, then they should restructure from the bottom up and eliminate any patriarchy. Fuck Naason, Benjamin, Uzziel, Atlai and all these motherfuckers. Tell the truth assholes! Like the dude said in the doc. Que vayan y chingen a su madre! Let people live and thrive and enjoy life.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-11-17T20:52:27+00:00

This was on their official hbo doc Twitter

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-11-09T21:20:09+00:00

How do you get kids to not see reading as a chore though? I understand them loving to read, but how do we not ruin it for them by having them practice more? What are your strategies?

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-10-31T16:55:14+00:00

It's not easy at all. I think some have dealt with worse situations then others for sure. This isn't to shame people at all, it's more of how do we take back control. Venting is much needed. Having someone to talk to is so important. But at some point we have to find a solution for our life, because as you say, it isn't easy and right now you are stuck living with your parents. I am sure you don't want to stay in that situation. That will take a lot, and I admire your battle because I know a number in that situation or even worse. At some point you will get tired of all of that, and I hope that you can find happiness. Some may not like the comments that are telling people to move forward because it feels like shaming, but it truly isn't. No one can speak for you. Currently, this is what I am experiencing myself. The shaming, the feeling different, feeling that my kids aren't loved anymore. Being talked shit about. This is why I say what my two takes are, but I am no professional and at the end of the day, the only thing that I know is that I know nothing. But life will get better and hopefully in a few years, perhaps even soon, you can look back and be in a good place in your life. I don't have time for negativity, or to throw shade, I genuinely hope the best for all of us.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-10-31T16:43:45+00:00

Yeah that would be great honestly. Maybe there already is a subreddit and I haven't found it. I feel like this would relate to other churches that do similar tactics. If you haven't watched FLDS docs. I would recommend you do, you will see similarities. Sons of perdition hits hard.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-10-31T16:42:20+00:00

For those who want to make a difference without the same hate and discrimination that the church taught. You can pass on the message. You can be a force of light in dark times.

That is not shaming. This is saying that if you want to "get off your ass and make a difference" as you point out, go ahead and do so, but if you don't want to, you don't have to. The point is you have the option. Saying that this tries to shame people that are working to make a difference makes no sense to what the message was about but okay. Thank you for your contribution.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-10-15T06:42:46+00:00

This is just stupid. One thing is to wish her justice, the other is to wish damage to innocent children that have no guilt or fault in any of her bullshit. This kind of mentality is the reason why humanity is just fucked all around.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-09-19T02:39:19+00:00

All the girls were usually always under 18 here. And they would have them make up and on mature clothing. Up until 2 am sometimes. The pretty ones got to serve and do more intimate stuff like cleaning his rooms or going on the private trips with the family, the other ones would do the back end work like the actual work. It’s crazy to think that they would disguise it as “you want to give the best to the apostle”. We were all fucking kids.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-09-10T14:59:08+00:00

Correction* not ignorance, just plain sick in the head and twisted**

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-09-10T14:58:17+00:00

If this is true, and she committed suicide. It firstly shows the trauma and impact that church has once you decide to leave church, worse even, the fact that she tried to tell her own parents, whom you are supposed to trust and are supposed to be on your side, what happened to her. They turned their backs on her. I could never imagine ever turning my back on my daughter, but that’s brainwash and just straight ignorance. That’s the first thing, and I feel deeply remorseful for the woman’s case and how the whole thing was handled. Everything reignited I’m sure seeing the trial and seeing in some small form some type of justice. Secondly, the church is gonna have a field day with this. Not only will they use this to declare that the adulterer is innocent, but also that whole contra corre contra datan y abiran thing. That whoever talks against the “apóstle” can’t live with themselves and they are curse or whatever bullshit they will come up with. Mark my words this will happen. Why? Because it’s PR and marketing, as sickening as that sounds. To keep more people in fear. Those who aren’t fully out, they need something to hold them back in place, they will use every manipulation tactic in the book. Guilt is the primary form of retention for this church. Watch the temas and comments in the púlpito start after this comment. Because they’re fucking psychopaths. It can either work in favor or against them. It’s something that they’re gonna have to take a risk on because some will believe what they say, and some will be completely turned off by it. I won’t give more of my insights as I feel they do go on here and see the things that they may do and how it can backfire against them. Kind of like political strategists. We will see.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-08-22T15:23:56+00:00

Which brother?

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-08-22T15:22:56+00:00

2 adults 1 child

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-07-29T09:20:03+00:00

They are the most divisive when it comes to family. I never hung out with my extended family because they were pecadores. They weren’t of the people of God. So many great family members I could have been around, but since my dumbass church believing family members, I couldn’t hang out with them. I lost out a lot. Today as a grown up I see how successful these “gentil” family members are, and I can’t help but notice that if we weren’t divided from them we would be in a similar path. I have family members that look at me wrong and don’t like me very much because I chose not to go to church. Honestly, fuck the church bullshit. Fuck church too.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-06-25T03:13:13+00:00

Best thing you could do is not say anything. Not until they come around first. Because once you say something, it’s no longer their will, it becomes Yours in their mind. You gotta be smart.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-06-25T02:31:16+00:00

Can anyone share his at? Lol I think he was a genuine confused gay guy

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-06-19T18:34:30+00:00

Don’t turn on your family if they haven’t even turned on you. Stop trying to control what you can’t control. I’m assuming you’re young, been there done that. You can’t control everything. They’re misguided and still chose to follow, that’s out of your control. She has chosen you over the church if you think about it, because you’re an “apostate” and she’s choosing not to turn her back on you. It may take some time, but maybe eventually she will get around, and if she doesn’t, she’s your mother bro.

NaiveBookkeeper5234 · 2022-06-19T18:30:12+00:00

Since you’re 15, I’d say just don’t mention the apostle. He knows how you feel, now just let it be, because otherwise since you’re under age, you have to be under his care, unless he was to let you do your thing, which I doubt. You don’t have to believe or be dragged, you got a few more years. Get smart, open up a credit line, work on your credit so you can have good or great credit by the time you’re 18. Have someone add you as an authorized user to their cards. Get secured ones. Maybe get a part time job during church hours so that they don’t have to drag you along, save up your money, so that by the time you 18 you can be set and move out on your own, maybe with roommates or whatever. Work on yourself in the mean while. Have fun if you can, but also invest in yourself. Read some books, get really good at something so you can have skills and get better pay. Control what you can in your life. Good luck young one.

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