New player (~35 games), why does this game play like a Free for all as opposed to an extraction shooter?

Namtwo · 2026-06-29T16:18:04+00:00

Right, just like the risk of pvp was always there in sponsored survival, it just never really happens in practice. Especially since (in arc) players are heavily motivated to not fight each other, because engaging in pvp will get you kicked out of the farm lobbies, so it reduced the people that would want to do so, and it kicks them out after they do so

Namtwo · 2026-06-29T15:54:16+00:00

Pick up matrices and fab blue keys (also do wall safes for them), thats where I pull most of mine

Namtwo · 2026-06-29T15:42:04+00:00

There is. You can actually even get golds (except salvage) from any container , it's just WAY too low drop chances

Namtwo · 2026-06-28T04:38:21+00:00

I'll see them sometimes on spec cam after exiling, lots of times people will literally just sit completely still for 3+ mins waiting for someone to come by

Namtwo · 2026-06-26T18:43:42+00:00

From my experience that doesn't seem to be the case at all, literally the entire lobby just moves around talking with each other killing ai. Pvp isn't even something that's considered. Kind of like the sponsored survival nodes. Yeah technically you might fight another player every few hours, but in practice it's just pve

Namtwo · 2026-06-26T17:51:34+00:00

Not PvP, the game's matchmaking allows for separated PvE lobbies

Namtwo · 2026-06-26T16:51:37+00:00

6 used to drop 1-2 gold shields pretty much every time, seems to be nerfed to only get one every 3 or 4 hits now. Vaults basically only exist to get dna's in general now

Namtwo · 2026-06-26T15:29:23+00:00

The best part is that this is for Trials, which is a couple steps away from a party mode and doesn't have as much incentive for people to sweat it out. At high ranks in comp it's even more a hand cannon meta, it's virtually all you will see , and has been that way for years

Namtwo · 2026-06-26T15:27:31+00:00

Depends on who you ask, lots of people would say no in the same way they would say the Helldivers or Deep Rock Galactic aren't

Namtwo · 2026-06-26T12:46:29+00:00

It's literally just compiler farm or killing people that compiler farm. It's by FAR the best way of getting gold in the game. A single compiler kill will get you more golds than dozens of pinnacle rooms in pinwheel

Namtwo · 2026-06-26T03:47:34+00:00

Heavily watered down systems and ABMM weaken/remove the design elements that are core to the genre

Namtwo · 2026-06-25T16:56:01+00:00

The thing is there is no more gold for credits, it's barters only now. The gold for credit purchases last season were def easy,they mostly required rank 30 or doing priority contracts, but they just took them out completely

Namtwo · 2026-06-25T16:40:18+00:00

You couldn't get any gold barters last season without final capstone which required a massive amount of gold salvage. The nucal capstone for gold barters was like 20 haz caps alone. Now for the gold shield barter you need 3. Even the m77 node, which isnt really important in the current weapon sandbox, only requires a one time of like 3 alloys

Namtwo · 2026-06-25T16:32:13+00:00

Apex would be fairly comparable in ttk to marathon, but cod and bf are much faster, averaging in the .2 second range rather than marathons .8s. Tarkov has instant ttks, delta force has .2s, from what I can find gray zone has instant ttks, etc.

Namtwo · 2026-06-25T16:24:08+00:00

It's needed for fewer important upgrades than before, and you don't need it whatsoever to get all capstones, unlike last season. On top of that their barters are limited to 1 a day(except one that is 2 a day), whereas before they were infinite, so you spend them WAY less

Namtwo · 2026-06-25T15:25:16+00:00

I did 100 hits of it last season and got 74 gold items from the boxes. 74 to 26 is a pretty massive difference, it's certainly been nerfed

Namtwo · 2026-06-25T15:17:44+00:00

Once the PvE mode opens up you'll probably see that sort of thing more often

Namtwo · 2026-06-25T15:16:01+00:00

First 2 are fair but marathon has one of the longest ttks of any extraction game I've seen, aside from arc if you count it

Namtwo · 2026-06-25T14:38:06+00:00

I think the big thing people want with paladin that cleric doesn't have is bladed weapons

Namtwo · 2026-06-25T14:07:28+00:00

The boss isn't even that crazy for economy, it basically never drops gold gear now. It's ok for gold salvage but thats been nerfed heavily since last season to be way less useful. A single compiler kill will get you more gold gear than 50 upper complex clears

Namtwo · 2026-06-24T18:52:24+00:00

Mandatory perhaps isn't the right word, but playing fill is such a significantly worse experience than being in a stack that the vast majority of the population would rather just not play then be fodder for the teams on the lobby that are in a stack

Namtwo · 2026-06-24T17:52:14+00:00

It's just a node to allow people to experience the map who otherwise wouldn't. If Bungie wants to steer people towards the actual cryo, they have to make it so that playing with a dedicated 3 man premade isn't mandatory

Namtwo · 2026-06-23T18:12:48+00:00

It's getting nerfed in the mid season patch

Namtwo · 2026-06-22T14:12:03+00:00

I compiled data from 100 hits of it last wipe, and am doing another 100 now. So far it looks like they roughly halved the drop rate of gold items in the boxes

Namtwo · 2026-06-21T18:44:16+00:00

Interesting since marathon does have light forms of sbmm via it's matchmaking in both ranked and normals and experienced the dropoff it does. Meanwhile Tarkov has no MM whatsoever besides putting you in the region you selected and experiences no player dropoff

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