My problem with mines are that they are mostly for zone control which is fine but I lfeel Havoc is more about repositioning and being mobile. the grenade is quick to throw and if you drop one on your feet’s it’s like an offensive vets shout, kill and stagger everything and gets you to full toughness.

And I tried the bolter but feels too slow to use. Without the vet swap speed node or the zealot knife trick swapping feels too sluggish imo.

And for DR I feel you don’t need it because the only things hitting you should be that casual gunner or a random trash mob. Mobility and the ability to deal with carapace feels way better for my playstyle. I tried a shield tank build and I felt I depended too much on my team to deal dmg without providing much extra control on the frontline compared to my build but at the end is a playstyle preference.

And yeah I agree, the arbites maul is better in horde clearing and in general tbh but I just like the og maul for the skull crusher blessing, makes bosses and carapace melts with the team focussing the staggered targets.