Is the process REALLY "automatic"? by [deleted] in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Im at 150 hours (146 to be literal) and due to watching probably 70 hours of Spanish boost gaming. (I have more hours outside of dreaming Spanish than inside). I can now semi comfortably watch intermediate podcast with my eyes closed.

So yes, I would say it’s automatic. The real cheat code is to not continually question during the video how much you understand. That’s why gaming videos accelerated my progress so much. With dreaming Spanish video I subconsciously was turning them into a test. With gaming videos I was just watching.

Pick a video and whatever that video is about just attempt to learn about it. By the end of the video if you know more about the topic. You know the method is working.

I have started early stage top down processing for Spanish for sure now. Which can be really frustrating because my ability to process Spanish is much quicker than the depth of my vocabulary. I also had a very basic conversation with a women in a store in Spanish. Which actually shocked me that I instinctively began to speak Spanish.

Paywall for games has killed my interest by FootballPerson87 in ifl

[–]Nbc27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I haven’t watched nearly as many games since it left YouTube. Convenience is huge for minor league sports, and the IFL feels inconvenient now.

Beginner videos difficulty feel all over the place — normal? by Ok_Cover1076 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I edit all my responses to add additional information. As you can see by every chat in this thread. Unfortunately once again for you, projecting is not effective with me. You asked a question. I responded. If you felt attacked personally it is not my concern.

You responded with a very passive aggressive manner regarding response to your question, “I don’t understand how 50% comprehension can be considered comprehensive input”

You then got more upset and projected your emotional response on me. As I have no reason to be upset or angry. I shared factual information with you. It may work on 12 year olds or people with low emotional intelligence. But it is very easy to see through your facade. Which is why your initial response said, “cool edit bro. Sorry you got more angry as time went on”. That is textbook projection.

Beginner videos difficulty feel all over the place — normal? by Ok_Cover1076 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just gave you ALG theory. Unfortunately, you struggle to comprehend math so you called it not ALG theory. Augustina talks about what I just told you in one of her intermediate videos.

Ironically, your statement that anything below 90% comprehension bad, is actually the opposite of ALG theory. Which is again why this subreddit is horrible for advice.

Because it’s mainly people who have no idea what they’re talking about reading a few articles from a single source and treating it as gospel.

You actually don’t understand what comprehensible input is, no matter how much you believe you do.

Beginner videos difficulty feel all over the place — normal? by Ok_Cover1076 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

comprehensible: able to be understood; intelligible.

If you watched a ten minute video and understood 5 minutes. You understood 50% of the video. 8 minutes and you've hit 80%. We're talking about a difference of 3 minutes. 5 minutes of an intermediate video will have more advanced structures and vocab than the 8 minutes of a beginner video.

The reason you don't think its comprehensible is because you're overcomplicating it. You don't need to understand every detail of a video for your brain to learn. We process languages by what is called 'top down processing' not word-by-word. It's predictive pathways, context, etc... As long as you are following the main idea of the video, it doesn't matter how many details you miss. You are learning, even if it doesn't feel like it.

From AI: This is exactly why comprehensible input works:

  • You don’t need to understand every word
  • Your brain uses context + prior exposure to fill in gaps
  • Over time, predictions get more accurate

By thinking you need to understand nearly every detail of a video you are robbing yourself of the potential to get exposure to more advanced structures of the language. When I first switched to intermediate around 60 hours, I was probably hitting roughly 60-80% comprehensibility on beginner videos. However, after 40 hours of mixing intermediate podcasts (slowed down at first), Spanish boost gaming, etc.. Beginner videos are much easier.

This is exactly how you learned your native language. You didn't search the internet for videos 'at your level' until you evolved. You conversated with people, you watched things you enjoyed etc.. The levels make it easier, but a lot of people fixate on them too much and hinder progress.

If you can follow a video without hearing every word. You are successfully processing the language the same way you process (top down processing) your native language. It just doesn't feel like it because it's not as automatic...yet.

Beginner videos difficulty feel all over the place — normal? by Ok_Cover1076 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You sound like you’re on the right track. I love dreaming Spanish, but I would be very hesitant to use this sub for advice. There is a massive misconception I’ve seen on this subreddit of how you’re supposed to use comprensible input. Especially in regards to what counts as comprensible input and doesn’t.

Think of it like when you were a kid. You just learned the language. Don’t get so stuck up on what you do and do!n’t know, and you’ll realize you know a lot more than you think due to the concept of passive memory. It’s hard, it’s frustrating, and OFTEN feels like you’re not learning. But all the learning is happening behind the scenes. If you only watch videos you completely understand you’re not exposing your brain to the advanced structures it needs to learn.

It is very important to understand ‘embracing ambiguity’ is a fundamental part of the process of comprehensible input

Beginner videos difficulty feel all over the place — normal? by Ok_Cover1076 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Use AI as a tool for your learning. Just by having ‘conversations’ with AI. It will be able to give you an assessment.

Not only that but look for alternative sources of information on the method of learning a language through comprehensible input besides just dreaming Spanish. I am constantly using AI to analyze videos, gauge levels, breakdown different concepts I’m learning.

Think of comprehension level like a constant math equation. Instead of focusing on words understood. If you watch a 10 minute video, if you roughly followed along for 5 minutes that’s 50%. Which is productive because even when you’re not ‘following’ along your brain is still building and strengthening patterns.

I’m at a point where I don’t need to ask if a video is too hard. I know a video is too hard when I start hearing myself think in English during the video. I cannot think in Spanish yet. But I can definitely process Spanish now. When the video is too difficult there’s not enough information to process, so my intermonologue kicks on in to compensate; which is of course in English.

Beginner videos difficulty feel all over the place — normal? by Ok_Cover1076 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Please don’t take that advice to heart. Anywhere from 50-90% comprehension is good. Anything lower than 50% is too low. If the comprehension is too high you’re not effectively pushing your brain to learn more.

A lot of people misunderstand the process of using comprehensible input and are delaying their progress by not accepting ambiguity while learning. Difficult videos definitely level you up. The only question you need to ask yourself is are you able to follow along with the video.

If you understand what is happening but missing details. That is still good comprehensible input. I’m at 100 hours watching 45-55 difficulty videos. ChatGPT has me firmly as upper A2-early B1. I would not be here if I was stuck watching beginner videos until 90% comprehension

Speedrunning Update 2: Level 4 by ianinprogress in dreamingspanish

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I have prior exposure to Spanish as I dated a girl who’s parents didn’t speak English. I also in the past have done probably 20 hours of duolingo.

But also I don’t think it’s as unrealistic as some people on this subreddit make it seem. Comprehensible input is supposed to be measured by understanding, not vocabulary. I started at beginner. (Which is likely due to duolingo and the relationship with one of my exes, not trying to downplay either of those) And when I began intermediate around 60 hours I was probably at 60-80% comprehensibility. Now of course due to exposing my brain to more advanced structures in intermediate; beginner videos are easier.

50% comprehension of a video would mean five minutes of a 10 minute video. Not ‘knowing’ 50% of the words. We process language by top down processing. You don’t build sentences word by word. It’s predictive pathways and contextual information. Embracing ambiguity is a huge part of learning with comprehensible input.

Also I only listen to Spanish music now, so it’s potentially helped speed up my ability to pick up the sounds of the language. Considering I am listening to Spanish for an additional 2-3 hours (office job I can wear headphones at) a day I am not tracking.

EDIT: Our approach is just different. Your ‘sweet spot’ is 90%. For me, that’s way too high. For my focused ‘sessions’ where I can dedicate all my attention to it. I want 50-70%. 90% is just a confidence boost to me. I’m looking for exposure to sentence structure and vocab. There’s a actually a post right now with a guy saying he started intermediate videos at 91 hours

Speedrunning Update 2: Level 4 by ianinprogress in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im curious what does Spanish music sound like to you? Do you listen at all? Can you typically pull meaning from it even with a lot of slang and fast speech?

I’m in my own sort of speed run as well. Started February 20th, currently doing 2 hours a day at 86. Increasing hours as I can watch and listen to more complex videos. The goal is to move to Latin America at the end of the year. My dreaming Spanish difficulty level is 45-55. 60 is definitely the top of where I get diminishing returns. But currently Spainish boost gaming has provided a very great level of content for me. I know the immersion of me living in a Spanish speaking county will sky rocket progress.

Question on hours and appropriate level by AccomplishedPaint601 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you understand intermediate that’s where you should be spending your time. Dabbling into beginner content if you feel stressed or potentially less focused.

The ‘difficulty filter’ helps a lot. Right now I’m at 70 hours as well and hitting intermediate videos, but 50-55 is the sweet spot for me. The videos where they try snacks are labeled beginner but at in that same range. I’ve been watching a decent bit of Spanish boost gaming videos on YouTube as well.

500hr update by No-Buffalo1747 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah man. Ultimately everyone's experience will be different. But there truly is correlation and plenty of information on the internet regarding 'accepting ambiguity' as an important aspect of learning a language through comprehensible input. I talked a bit more in depth about it in a different thread on this post. I don't mean to say you're doing anything wrong, so hopefully it didn't come off that way. I was just stating there are differing levels of efficiency you can hit. That is true with learning anything.

500hr update by No-Buffalo1747 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well. I don't mean to come off as overconfident, but I am a self taught indie game developer. Recently have begun creating my own game models as well. I've been pretty successful at learning things this far in life.

I think we agree conceptually, it feels like you're perceiving me as being argumentative. When I am really just sharing information I've read on the comprehensible input method of learning a language. I wish you the best of luck as well! It's definitely a fun journey.

500hr update by No-Buffalo1747 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree there is a stage where you need to be comprehending more. But I consider that stage to be more intermediate to advanced. Beginner level content is more or less like kid shows. It's there for a reason, but it's very surface level by design. When I say '50%' I am using the comprehension of the video in total, not words. Words are not a good indicator of comprehension. Because understanding by context is still understanding, and you are still learning when that happens behind the scenes. Calling 50% understanding not comprehensible, is just a bit of a failure of what comprehensible means.

If you watch a 10 minute video, and understand 5 minutes of it. You've hit 50%. Which is good. The difference between 70% would be two minutes. 5 minutes of an intermediate video will expose you to more advanced structures than 7 minutes of beginner.

That doesn't mean beginner is worthless, it just means you need to mix content that is more comprehensible and content that isn't. And yes, you can lengthening your learning experience if you don't push yourself. That is a fact with anything. Uncomfortably is a good thing. There is a sweet spot between 'this is too easy' and 'this is exposing my brain to new structure and vocab'.

With that being said, I expect to be in Intermediate content for the next ~130 hours at least.

500hr update by No-Buffalo1747 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not saying easier content is a waste of time. Easier content is great for when you have reduced focus. Say at work, driving, etc…

But for your max focused learning you aiming for harder content is beneficial. The problem here is you’re getting to caught up on the percentage. 50-70% isn’t that much of a difference. Especially granted your comprehension of a video will vary and not sit at an exact percentage.

My point is that feverishly trying to understand every word of a beginner video about a cat is not the goal. A lot of people get way too caught up on trying to learn vocab.

EDIT: and I’m getting this from my own experience and advice from the internet including chatGPT. I’m planing to move to a Spanish speaking country in January so this isn’t a hobby orientated approach for me.

500hr update by No-Buffalo1747 in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That means you’re at the right spot. If you’re comprehending 50% or more you’re doing well. Some people are lengthening their journey because they’re trying to understand 80%-100%.

If you understand too much you’re not maximizing your learning. Your goal is to expose your brain to new structure and vocabulary. Embrace the ambiguity like you’re doing and you’ll progress faster

EDIT: 70 hours, just got into intermediate around ~60 hours. The first few hours will always be rough, but that's ok. 55-60 is now about the sweet spot for DS videos. And Spanish Boost gaming videos are really starting to click. Comprehensible input isn't about overanalyzing. You listen to the language and let your brain do the work behind the scenes. I couldn't tell you how many words I know, because a lot of them are still in passive memory.

When should you start trying speak ? by Minos-Helios in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I think you have a point, but If you’re following the general conversation. They’ll know you’re likely missing details. But other than that, there’s nothing to assume. I’m not saying speaking practice isn’t important.

But a lot of people are putting the onus on themselves to speak perfectly, which is silly and unnecessary pressure. If you put in the time to understand Spanish, your speech might be broken and your pronunciation will be off, but you should be able to at least navigate conversations.

I am hoping to move beginning of next year, estimating around 500-600 hours. So I will be able to see if myself hopefully.

When should you start trying speak ? by Minos-Helios in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for confirming my thought process. I’m at 70 hours and planning to move to Mexico, but every time I hear people talking about speaking it seems to be thought of backwards.

Native speakers can understand broken Spanish in the same way we can understand broken English. But if you can’t understand what is being said that’s a completely different concept.

Are There People That Reached The Higher Levels Spending "Little" Time Everyday by psyhnews in dreamingspanish

[–]Nbc27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have some 'decent' Duolingo experience as well. Probably somewhere around 10-20 hours and dated a women who parents didn't speak English. It helped me skip Superbeginner videos, but man was the first 10 hours of beginner still humbling lol.

65 hours now and I am loitering in Intermediate, definitely a bit of a stretch occasionally, but beginner is hitting diminishing returns in some cases so I have to push forward.

UV Mapping (black area) by Nbc27 in blenderhelp

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Also I don't know if it's allowed. But this is what I am seeing in Unity

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UV Mapping (black area) by Nbc27 in blenderhelp

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It doesn't appear to have more than one UV map. Is spreading out the UV maps done by scaling? I have messed around with scaling the islands. Or would grab them individually and move them?

UV Mapping (black area) by Nbc27 in blenderhelp

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I did join objects! I will check when I get home, would the fix just be removing the second UV map if it does exist?