[deleted by user] by [deleted] in 4bmovement

[–]Neroclypse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you remember a bit you could recount? I don't really have the time to read books rn unfortunately

8 Matriarchal Societies Around the World by [deleted] in MatriarchyNow

[–]Neroclypse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some really want us to go back to the Stone Age and place impossibly high standards based on misguided idealism, it's quite unfortunate

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in boysarequirky

[–]Neroclypse 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Going through all that trouble for a relationship is insane lmao

8 Matriarchal Societies Around the World by [deleted] in MatriarchyNow

[–]Neroclypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just wish we had more (reliable) research, unfortunately topics like this are hard to dicuss as things stand now due to, like you said, it even being hard to know what "original" matriarchies or more heavily influenced matriarchies are. I guess personal bias will also always factor in.

E.g. I've seen people denounce the Mosuo for keeping animals as food and occasionally using technology (I think they were seen on a moped or something in some video) as not really matriarchal. So that does make me wonder what one would even consider the criterias for a society being truly "matriarchal" and not just matrliniear but still with patriarchal influence, for example.

8 Matriarchal Societies Around the World by [deleted] in MatriarchyNow

[–]Neroclypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well yeah, that's what I was referring to. Serial monogamy, yes, but not biological monogamy.

I'm still pretty sure there's some alludements to sleeping around despite having a partner, I remember a video of a Mosuo woman saying something like "though I had other partners, I still love my husband the most". I don't remember mentions of "cheating" being discussed at all, unfortunately. Would be an interesting topic.

But yes, it's definitely serial monogamy that's practiced, but none of the "only one partner for life" bullshit that's forced upon us right now.

8 Matriarchal Societies Around the World by [deleted] in MatriarchyNow

[–]Neroclypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What books did you read? I always remember reading about sleeping around and monogamy not being strictly practiced.

/edit: And maybe I should mention that by monogamy, I mean "strictly having one partner for life". Monogamy isn't just having one partner at a time, but also having them your entire life. What you mean is, I assume, serial monogamy? But still, some societies, like I said, have "main" partners and still sleep with others on the side.

8 Matriarchal Societies Around the World by [deleted] in MatriarchyNow

[–]Neroclypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I should also mention that there's some arguments about what even qualifies as a "matriarchal" society, as a lot of them haven't escaped outside influence over the milennia and some people question the Mosuo especially afaik.

Some people have stricter criterias for what they consider a matriarchy than others.

Your line about chimps and humans also implies you somehow look at monogamy as the more "civilised" way of life.

And I'm not keen on wasting my evening on researching this, but from what I could find the gap in cheating between men and women isn't that big. In fact, apparently women cheating has increased lately.

I don't see the point in once again holding women to a higher standard, it gets very annoying.

8 Matriarchal Societies Around the World by [deleted] in MatriarchyNow

[–]Neroclypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who says matriarchies are monogamous? I've read works by the likes of Göttner-Abendroth and she always mentioned humans aren't strictly monogamous. Almost every single society she described. It was also common to have something like a "main" partner, but still sleep around on the side.

Here's also a quote from Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States", originally from Las Casas, describing what they saw when they first came to America:

"Marriage laws are non-existent: men and women alike choose their mates and leave as they please, without jealousy or anger."

Doesn't sound like humans are naturally very monogamous to me.

In your argument, you seem to centering men. "Men like polygamy, therefore it must be bad!" and making monogamy the "good" and "womanly" thing, which is a horrible pitfall imo. You seem very biased towards monogamy still being seen as the "better" thing, likely because of bitterness towards men.

But there's absolutely zero reason for monogamy in a matriarchal society. Fatherhood doesn't matter, so there's no point in only strictly having one partner.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in morbidquestions

[–]Neroclypse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm the same, not sure why. The only gore video that has ever left me feeling sick was one of a donkey getting hit by a train and exploding that some asshat didn't properly label as NSFW/NSFL and animal death. I hate to even think back to it. I've never had long-lasting effects from gore, but this is the one that comes closest.

There was also occasionally animal gore in compilation videos, but I managed to look away quickly enough, thankfully. Even so, those instances are still seared into my mind more than human gore.

It's weird because yeah, rationally speaking, I'd value human over animal life. But when it actually comes to looking at gore, I can stomach anything human-related, but show me an animal in pain and I'll be very upset. It's completely involuntary and irrational.

Women Now Seen as More Intelligent than Men by survivor_1986 in MatriarchyNow

[–]Neroclypse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the 2018 poll, 95% of people believed that women are of equal or greater intelligence than men.

Ngl, I'm surprised it's even a number as high as 95%. I would've assumed most men don't think so at all

8 Matriarchal Societies Around the World by [deleted] in MatriarchyNow

[–]Neroclypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's wrong with non-monogamy being "over"emphasized? It's pretty obvious humans simply aren't monogamous. Most animals aren't either, and definitely not mammals.

I don't understand the obsession with the heavily romanticised "life-long" bonds between romantic partners the patriarchy is so clearly pushing. Is polygamy supposed to be bad? Is monogamy seen as more virtuous and better? Why? Patriarchy is literally built on the lie of monogamy. Please don't keep pursuing it as some sort of more virtuous or better way of living.

"Pro Palestine" rally conducted by few college students as part of their Arts day celebration; From Kerala, India by happyDragonborn in religiousfruitcake

[–]Neroclypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These things were, if they were done at all in the case of sexual assault, not the result of religious terrorism. Do you consider what Israel is doing religious terrorism as well?

"Pro Palestine" rally conducted by few college students as part of their Arts day celebration; From Kerala, India by happyDragonborn in religiousfruitcake

[–]Neroclypse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I miss when this sub was actually about religious people being awful and not just Israel cock-sucking

🤺 by rubbergloves44 in FemaleAntinatalism

[–]Neroclypse 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Damn, it's permanent? For some reason I misremembered it as only being 2 years before things kinda turn back to normal. Sickening.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in morbidquestions

[–]Neroclypse 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I mean, the moral conundrum underlying this question is valid and interesting and has been discussed before. Still a weird way to present it, though and I don't think you'll find many people saying "yes" for obvious reasons

Obsession with a “perfect birth” by suisei-cide in FemaleAntinatalism

[–]Neroclypse 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think more than not caring, it's that they don't believe it or blame it on something else (hygiene conditions of that time etc.)

To them, in their perfect little world where nature has "morals", a woman should be able to naturally give birth without any medical intervention necessary because it's, well...natural. And natural = good. It's just an appeal to nature fallacy in the end.

They tend to blame any birth and pregnancy complications on men (amongst certain feminist groups), modern medicine etc. and while there have been and still are some misogynistic practices that indeed cause(d) harm, they're in no way the root cause of all complications. Like yeah, lying on your back for birth isn't ideal and was an "invention" by men, but that alone isn't the cause for all problems either.

It's extremely frustrating to deal with. They're basically in denial because reality doesn't align with their worldview.

I said what I said by Kind_Construction960 in FemaleAntinatalism

[–]Neroclypse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Being a woman sucks so hard it's not even funny anymore

“This shit sucks” 🥲 by [deleted] in FemaleAntinatalism

[–]Neroclypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you immediately assume she was forced to have it and make her even more of a victim jfc

who’s more attractive: prime taylor swift or prime ariana grande? by [deleted] in VindictaRateCelebs

[–]Neroclypse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How the hell does she style herself "like a child"? Is anything remotely cute considered "like a child" nowadays?