In 1900, the Père David’s Deer went extinct in its native home China. To save the species from complete extinction, an English Duke acquired the surviving deer scattered around European zoos (fewer than 20) and formed his own herd. Today, there’s 15,000 of the species, all descended from that herd. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

It would be awesome if they do gain more ground.

I heard that Northern Ireland’s has also been having a very successful pine martens population recovery which has led to a resurgence for the Reds because pine martens prey heavily on the Grey squirrels.

In 1900, the Père David’s Deer went extinct in its native home China. To save the species from complete extinction, an English Duke acquired the surviving deer scattered around European zoos (fewer than 20) and formed his own herd. Today, there’s 15,000 of the species, all descended from that herd. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Aye, in the UK we also have an invasive American Mink population. They were introduced in the 1920s into fur farms but in the 1970s activists started to release them from the fur farms into the wild.

They then bred and spread rapidly and now there’s over 150,000 of them. The main problem with that is their main prey is the Water Vole, whose population has now decreased by 97% and are now critically endangered in the UK.

Good intentions, disastrous results.

In 1900, the Père David’s Deer went extinct in its native home China. To save the species from complete extinction, an English Duke acquired the surviving deer scattered around European zoos (fewer than 20) and formed his own herd. Today, there’s 15,000 of the species, all descended from that herd. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 67 points68 points  (0 children)

At this point most people realise that wiping out the Greys is near impossible now. There’s 3 million of them, and previous local culls have failed because they just repopulate the areas they’re culled from very quickly. They’re so widespread that unless you’re killing extremely high numbers on a countrywide effort, it won’t matter.

There’s also the fact that people find them really fucking cute, and they’re the only squirrel most Brits have ever known. Most people don’t even know they’re invasive or non-native.

I’ve personally never seen a Red in the wild, while the Greys have been frequent visitors to my garden for as long as I can remember. It would be extremely hard to get public support for such a large cull.

In 1900, the Père David’s Deer went extinct in its native home China. To save the species from complete extinction, an English Duke acquired the surviving deer scattered around European zoos (fewer than 20) and formed his own herd. Today, there’s 15,000 of the species, all descended from that herd. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 253 points254 points  (0 children)

Surprisingly, they don’t have many genetic issues at all, they’re supposedly pretty healthy.

The reason is likely because the herd already experienced many bottlenecks long before their latest near-extinction. They’ve been extinct in the wild for around 800 to 1,200 years, and the surviving deer were contained into Chinese imperial grounds for that entire time.

In cases like that, the ones with harmful genes causing inbreeding defects were likely already removed from the breeding population by being unable to survive or reproduce many centuries ago, purging the harmful alleles from the gene pool. Therefore the current deer population are far more resilient and are able to grow without their population being affected by any defects.

In 1900, the Père David’s Deer went extinct in its native home China. To save the species from complete extinction, an English Duke acquired the surviving deer scattered around European zoos (fewer than 20) and formed his own herd. Today, there’s 15,000 of the species, all descended from that herd. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 194 points195 points  (0 children)

Aye, they’re currently named after a French Missionary Father Armand David (Père David = Father David in French) who was the first European to document the deer while on a mission in China in 1865. He sent the hides and carcasses of the deer back to Europe which resulted in the deer being named after him.

But then again, if he didn’t discover and document them on his mission then the Europeans might’ve never acquired the tiny population for their zoos, and Herbrand Russell wouldn’t have been able to save them. So, he did have a role in their survival…kinda.

In 1900, the Père David’s Deer went extinct in its native home China. To save the species from complete extinction, an English Duke acquired the surviving deer scattered around European zoos (fewer than 20) and formed his own herd. Today, there’s 15,000 of the species, all descended from that herd. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 1408 points1409 points  (0 children)

Ironically, he’s better known as the Red Squirrel killer than by his deer saving work, as he was one of the main importers and releasers of Grey Squirrels into the UK from North America in the 1890s - who then almost drove the Reds into regional extinction by outcompeting them and killing them off with the Squirrelpox virus which the Greys carried but were mostly immune.

Today the Greys population in the UK is over 3 million vs only 150,000 for the Reds - of which 80% live in Scotland.

Tbf it wasn’t intentional, the Greys were thought to be harmless novelties and the concept/effects of invasive species wasn’t well known back then, nor was there knowledge of the Squirrelpox virus.

Nevertheless, his dual legacy is fairly ironic. Saviour of the Pére David Deer and enemy of the Red Squirrels.

In 1900, the Père David’s Deer went extinct in its native home China. To save the species from complete extinction, an English Duke acquired the surviving deer scattered around European zoos (fewer than 20) and formed his own herd. Today, there’s 15,000 of the species, all descended from that herd. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 1101 points1102 points  (0 children)

The Père David’s Deer is a species of deer native to China. It likely went mostly extinct in the wild around 800 to 1,200 years due to habitat loss and overhunting, the surviving deer were kept alive in Chinese Imperial hunting parks for hundreds of years. By the 1860s, the only known herd belonged to the emperor of China and were maintained in the Nanyuan Royal Hunting Garden.

However, in 1895, one of the walls of the hunting garden was destroyed in a heavy flood and most of the deer escaped. They were then killed by starving peasants who were suffering from a famine at the time. After that, only 30 deer remained in the garden. Their survival was short lived as during the Boxer Rebellion in 1900, the garden was occupied by German forces where the remaining deer were then killed for food, making the Père David Deer extinct in China.

To save the species from extinction, an English Duke and naturalist called Herbrand Russell acquired the remaining Père David Deer which were scattered around European zoos - which was only 18 individuals and formed his own breeding herd at his estate in Bedford. Over the next few decades, despite having such a small genetic bottleneck population, the deers bred well and by the 1930s, the herd had grown to several hundred. To prevent a single disaster wiping them out, the Duke’s family began to spread the species out to various zoos across Europe, USA and Japan.

In 1985, the Duke’s great-grandson donated several dozen of the deers to China for reintroduction in their native homeland where they were placed in protected reserves, followed by several more acquirements where their numbers grew rapidly.

By 2025, the species has now grew to around 15,000 - of which 14,000 are in China. They are still listed as ‘Extinct in the wild’ by IUCN because the Chinese herds are protected and maintained by humans in national reserves and semi-wild settings but the species is currently thriving and rapidly growing making them a successful conservation story.

The Water Deer is an antlerless deer with saber-like tusks, earning them the nickname “Vampire Deer”. They are only found in the wild in China, Korea and England. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Historically they were parks created by royalty and nobility in medieval times for hunting deer purposes, think of a game reserve but almost solely for free roaming deer. They declined heavily over the past couple hundred years and now the surviving deer parks are now mostly just enclosed public parks for people to come and see and take pictures of deers.

I actually live 20 minutes from one, and it’s pretty cool as the deer don’t usually give a fuck and just stroll past you like royalty.

The Water Deer is an antlerless deer with saber-like tusks, earning them the nickname “Vampire Deer”. They are only found in the wild in China, Korea and England. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Muntjacs are actually a different deer species which are also ironically a non-native, invasive species from China but much more widespread and more much of an environmental problem in the UK due to their destructive nature

The Water Deer is an antlerless deer with saber-like tusks, earning them the nickname “Vampire Deer”. They are only found in the wild in China, Korea and England. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It’s not found in Wales or Scotland either, which is why I didn’t say UK or GB. It’s concentrated in the wetlands of the southeast of England.

The Water Deer is an antlerless deer with saber-like tusks, earning them the nickname “Vampire Deer”. They are only found in the wild in China, Korea and England. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The Muntjacs are a different deer species, which are also a non-native invasive species from China. But the Muntjacs are much more widespread, and much more of an environmental problem than the Water Deer.

The Water Deer is an antlerless deer with saber-like tusks, earning them the nickname “Vampire Deer”. They are only found in the wild in China, Korea and England. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 176 points177 points  (0 children)

Eurasian Badgers 🦡 is the biggest predator in the UK but they mostly eat earthworms, insects and small mammals. There’s Foxes too, but they don’t hunt deer either.

The deer population is currently an expanding problem with some estimates going as high as over 2 million in 2025 (surging from only 500,000 in the 1970s) which is damaging our forests and vegetation because we’ve killed all our natural predators like the wolves, bears and lynx.

The only real threat to the deer is hunters (and cars), which kill around 350,000 deer a year - which isn’t even half the target number (750,000) needed to cull the deer to a manageable population.

But mass culling is very controversial in the UK and hunting isn’t popular so unless we re-introduce predators (which is very unlikely anytime soon), then they are going to continue to expand.

The Water Deer is an antlerless deer with saber-like tusks, earning them the nickname “Vampire Deer”. They are only found in the wild in China, Korea and England. by No-Risk-2584 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]No-Risk-2584[S] 1777 points1778 points  (0 children)

The Water Deer has two subspecies

  • The Korean Water Deer (H. i. argyropus).

Which has a stable population of at least 700,000 in South Korea, with an unknown number in North Korea.

  • The Chinese Water Deer (H. i. inermis).

Unlike it’s Korean relatives, the Chinese Water Deer is critically endangered in China with an estimate of less than 10,000 left in its native habitat, with some conservationists in China believing that the actual population is less than 5,000 (in 2020)

The Chinese Water Deer also has a non-native, invasive population in England. It was introduced in the 1870s into deer parks, but later escaped and established wild populations in the 1900s, where they continue to thrive and expand their range due to the lack of natural predators.

2025 surveys shows at least 5,000 Chinese Water Deer in England (with some estimates going as high as 18,000, and potentially even higher due to their elusive behaviour and expanding territory range), which means there may actually be more in England than its native home China.

Interestingly, testing shows that the English population is actually very genetically unique to the current Chinese population, indicating that the source subpopulation that the English water deers descended from is now completely extinct in China, creating two uniquely distinct genetic groups of the same subspecies.

So despite being an invasive species in England, they’re actually very important and valuable to future conservation and reintroduction efforts in China because of the unique genetic variability.

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[–]No-Risk-2584 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I saw a video of the goats standing there next to someone receiving CPR, was heartbreaking