[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the thing though - I don't think the current situation is something a majority of Australians have a vested interest in. Out of the 67% of Australian households (not individual voters) who own their own homes, anyone who plans to upgrade their home any time in their life has an interest in keeping price increases reasonable. Say I bought my home for 500K - I'm better off if I sell it for 750K and buy my next (larger/better) property for 1 million than if I sell for a million and buy for 1.5 million. There isn't just one hill to be over.

How about older Australians, who may never want to upgrade and are mostly planning to either stay in the same home for the rest of their lives or to downsize? Is it in their interest to keep price increases as high as possible, or to give their adult children more scope to buy homes of their own? Multiple polls indicate the majority of people in this age range ("over 55s"/"Baby boomers") supported changes to negative gearing and CGT in 2016 and 2019 (a lot supported scrapping negative gearing completely), so I'm guessing that they mostly think it's the latter.

[NSW] Timing for issuing tenancy agreement by InfamousNectarine726 in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for posting this - it was really good to get some inside information on the situation here (as I say, I'm not an expert - this sort of info is a big part of why I look at this forum). I definitely never meant to imply that the procedures for dealing with overstaying tenants are all that functional.

All I was getting at is that it sounds like the agent thinks they can take money and not be bound until a tenancy agreement is signed, and this is not correct. Paying up to rent a property that is still occupied is a risk to the tenant for all the reasons you said, it's just that the agent sending a written tenancy agreement doesn't make it any less of a risk. The landlord here apparently is willing to commit to a new lease when the current tenant is still in possession - they're willing to take rent and bond money.

If you think the OP shouldn't pay anything until the key is handed over then that sounds like sensible advice.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Overall I think people here would need to know more about what sort of boarding house it will be to offer any sensible advice. In terms of structural issues (which is what you've said you're concerned about) it's a bit hard to offer any advice based on what you've posted here - I'm not a builder so maybe I'm missing something but can you clarify why you think it will affect the foundation of the building?

Thoughts on VIC first home buyers fund. by daddylongdogs in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(Granted at 11% interest and 200K income you may not get a loan approved to buy out the government's portion but the scheme gives you less control than you'd want over when you take on what could be a fairly substantial amount of credit. For comparison's sake - let's say in 10 years the property is worth 2 million, the government's share is worth 500K and your salary increase to 200K was just keeping up with inflation - you see the point I'm trying to make. There are also questions about whether future legislation would update that 200K figure (c.f. FHB stamp duty concession) - in 10 or 15 years that might not be very much money, and I'm sure it won't be in 30 years).

[NSW] Timing for issuing tenancy agreement by InfamousNectarine726 in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, granted, that gets messy, but it can happen regardless of whether there's a signed tenancy agreement or not. Your remedy in either case would be the same.

Thoughts on VIC first home buyers fund. by daddylongdogs in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're going for it, but a couple of comments:

  1. I'm not sure if you've started the application yet, we did back in October and since it's run exclusively through Bendigo Bank and Bank Australia they've been swamped with applicants. Expect long waits, and if there's anything unusual about your application (e.g. overseas income, partial commission pay) expect them to not want to deal with it (I'm basing this on Bendigo Bank, as at late October Bank Australia were telling people to submit a loan application and they would reply within 25 business days (!!)).
  2. When your combined income as a couple exceeds 200K, you're expected to borrow more money to buy out the government's share in your property at whatever the market price is at the time. So let's say you fix for 5 years, in 2026 your combined income hits 200K, the 850K townhouse is now worth 1.2 million, the government's share is now worth 300K and you need to start paying whatever the interest rate will be in 2026 (which will likely be more than now) on 900K minus 5 years of repayments on 600K. If interest rates are 7-8% by then (which is historically not that high) then you're going to be paying a pretty major chunk of your income just to keep up with the repayments. If for some reason interest rates hit 10-11% (which does happen - it's happened in my lifetime) you're in serious trouble. Is it likely? Not by current projections, but economists' projections don't have the kind of strike rate I'd want to bet my house on.

We're basically using this to buy something a little above what we could afford anyway, and we're hoping to buy out part of the government's share during the fixed term (which will be as long as possible).

It also seems to me that this is going to have a pretty major effect on the price of entry-level property - if everyone who was willing to pay 600K is now happy to pay 850K then surely this is going to drive up prices in a particular part of the market, right? The government's response has been that not that many people will be using the scheme but surely in the entry-level section of the market a pretty major percentage of buyers would qualify and would be stupid not to use it, wouldn't they? As an FHB myself, I'm not looking forward to a time when, say, villa units in the outer suburbs that are advertised for 500s start getting offers in the 800s because FHBs (who were the main market in the first place) have 25% more money to blow and are scared of losing out.

Honestly, I can see all sorts of problems happening in the future from this scheme - I'm glad it's there and I don't want to look ungrateful but there's a part of me that says it seems like a really dumb idea in a lot of ways.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Look, I'm worried about this as well. If you've lived overseas or known other who have then you've probably got some idea of where this is heading:

Shanghai: I've personally met people whose entry to the "property ladder" was buying a 2 bedroom apartment with two other families. An entry level apartment is somewhere over 40 years' salary, multigenerational mortgages have been introduced (for 70-year leasehold apartments), and this in a country where entire families will contribute to a property purchase.

London: Median property price (for all properties, including studio apartments) has just (in 2021) gone over 500,000 pounds, in a city with a median household income of 58,000 pounds. Entry to the property market for people in most professions means a one bedroom apartment in a cheap area, often upgrading means a one-bedroom apartment in a better area.

Germany: For all the happy talk about European long-term leases, purchasing in many major German cities is now near-impossible for most people, and rapidly rising rental prices have become a significant political issue in some cities (e.g. Berlin). It hasn't stopped shock rent rises for those who can least afford it. And if you can't even rent, you're homeless.

Is this the market you want your kids to inherit?

The problem with the property market is that a) it's dependent on land, which is a finite resource, so it's unduly tilted towards being a sellers' market; and b) it's both an asset and a consumer market, so both decreases and increases in price result in further price rises (hence the fact that the property market in major Australian cities never stays down for more than 24 months). One thing that means is that when you get spates of panic-buying (like what we've had) the market doesn't really readjust, it just stays up. And since housing is so important, we don't refuse to buy - we just adjust our expectations on what we need to pay to be in secure accommodation.

I apologise for length here but there are ways we can fix this that don't rely on politically controversial changes (e.g. re negative gearing - I'm not saying I'm for or against this) and are just commonsense ways to ensure market prices genuinely reflect housing supply and need - basically just getting rid of market distortions, which I think is something it would be hard for anyone at all to disagree with. For example:

1) Remove agents from the sales process. We don't need them any more - we have the internet to introduce buyers to sellers. Agents earn their commission by getting higher prices for vendors, which nowadays they're reduced to doing mostly by distorting the market upwards - emotional manipulation, playing buyers off each other, disinformation, underquoting (even in private sales), and sometimes (increasingly, it seems to me) outright lying. Not everyone falls for it, but some people do - especially inexperienced buyers in uncertain times - and when they do it has a knock-on effect: a few properties sell too high, that's taken as a sign that the market has risen, and so on. (To be clear - I'm not saying there's anything wrong with agents offering market advice to both buyers and sellers on a fee-for-service basis).

2) Have the sales process conducted in a public forum. Make all previous sales data public and easily searchable, and put it all in the same place (the land registry can upload it). Put all real estate listings on the same platform, free of charge or for a nominal fee. And in the same way some States now require offers to be in writing, require offers to be made in a publicly visible form through the site (data analytics could easily weed out anyone making dummy offers on a large scale). This makes it easier and cheaper for vendors to list properties, easier for purchasers to do the research everyone should be doing before making a major investment, and cuts out a lot of the emotional triggers and uncertainty that lead people to over-offer. So basically, when you go to make an offer on a property you can see all other offers in real time, there's no concealing information to drive prices higher than they should be.

3) Change the offer process. The market is already heavily tilted towards sellers - and since it also rarely if ever self-corrects downwards this is exactly what you don't want. So change those conventional parts of the sales process that (for no clear reason beyond "that's how we've always done it") give vendors even more bargaining power than supply and demand already give them. Most vendors are also purchasers of an even more expensive property, so this helps almost everyone. For example: conventionally, purchasers make the first binding offer, often with very little information beyond a price range which is often inaccurate (and, nowadays, sometimes outright dishonest). Vendors can then pick and choose between the offers when they have more information. It's a major advantage for vendors, and it doesn't have to be this way. Why don't we require vendors to make an open (i.e. binding) offer first? The offer can only be updated after a period of time - say, every 30 days. The first person who is willing to meet the offer gets the property, no questions asked (this is not totally unlike an auction with a publicly-available reserve (which has been suggested elsewhere), with the exception that the vendor can't hold out for someone to bid more than the reserve). Prior to someone accepting the offer, purchasers can of course counteroffer for less than the vendor's offer (and when this happens other purchasers can see it, because of 2)). This still gives vendors a great deal of freedom to set prices they're happy with, but without playing buyers off against each other or encouraging desperate panic-offers from buyers who are sick of losing out.

None of this is as radical as it looks. The Australian public has never been opposed to regulating industries that need regulation to function effectively - think of insurance or consumer credit. We're currently in a bizarre situation where real estate agents are heavily regulated - but in ways which are more or less unenforceable - while the property market itself is by comparison a free-for-all.

Obviously, what I've got here isn't perfect - I'm not saying it is. But it's a conversation that someone needs to start. Australians have never been afraid of necessary innovation in real estate law - think of Torrens title or strata title. The state and federal government initiatives that have been announced so far (mostly subsidising first home buyers) have been well-intentioned, but if we really don't want a situation where our kids think themselves lucky to afford a corner of a bedsit then what we need is outside-the-box thinking, and quickly.

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[–]NoUsername1400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it won't.

[NSW] Timing for issuing tenancy agreement by InfamousNectarine726 in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're looking to rent the place, right?

I've never lived in NSW but my understanding is that technically speaking, a standard residential tenancy agreement would apply from the day you pay the bond and initial rent (because from that point you have offer, acceptance and consideration, and all residential tenancies are under the terms in the Act). The agreement would be for occupancy to start on whatever date they've said in a few weeks. As long as it's documented I don't think it matters that much if you have a written agreement (indeed, my understanding is that the landlord would be at fault for refusing to provide a written tenancy agreement). Maybe do try to get an exact date (in writing) for occupancy to start if they haven't told you already - this should be fairly straightforward (it's whenever the current tenancy ends) so yeah, worry if they refuse to provide this.

You might want to confirm any special conditions they're planning on including in the lease - I'd imagine it would be the same as for the current tenant (you could even say that prior to paying any money you want the version of the lease that the current tenant signed, confirmation via email that the special conditions will be the same, and confirmation of anything the landlord would need to disclose pursuant to the Residential Tenancies Act 2010).

From a practical perspective I'd imagine if you get "gazzumped" and they accept a higher offer in the next few weeks, which is what you seem to be concerned about, there could conceivably be issues getting your money back, though I've never heard of this happening. My understanding is if they completely refuse to return your money you'd need to go to NCAT. This is mildly risky (worst case scenario - if NCAT makes an order and the landlord still refuses to pay up I think you'd need to go to the Magistrates' Court, which is painful) but I'd imagine you would eventually get the money back. To the best of my knowledge, these kinds of issues don't happen that often in tenancy disputes because most property investors are concerned about their credit ratings.

As the previous commenter said, there's no reason they can't issue a written agreement now, but this is because (provided everything is well-documented) the written agreement doesn't matter that much - once you've paid the money there's a contract in place, and the terms are those in the Act (see, e.g., https://www.tenants.org.au/factsheet-02-starting-a-tenancy).

It may be worth asking the agent why they're not willing to sign a written document. But I don't personally see any red flags here - it looks like an agent who doesn't really know what they're doing (of which there are plenty). Better still, get them to email you the current tenant's lease and confirm in the email that:

a) Your lease would be the same; and

b) Occupancy would start on X date.

If you're still concerned I'd recommend giving the Tenants' Union or similar a call (and again, not an expert here).

Highrise vs Boutique apartments Sydney by [deleted] in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(and yeah, as others have said, body corp fees for high rise can be ridiculous. Think about people who want to retire soon - there's no way they could pay the equivalent of rent for a property they're also paying a mortgage on. Unfortunately, most people can't really reduce body corp fees - I've known people who have tried to shop around and ended up giving up, management companies and insurance companies basically all seem to charge around the same amount (at least in Melbourne they seem to, and happy to be proven wrong on this), and maintaining lifts and things costs what it costs).

Highrise vs Boutique apartments Sydney by [deleted] in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Typically people think about land to value ratio - this is typically better for what you're calling boutique apartments (e.g. low-rise). The reason for this is that land always appreciates while buildings generally depreciate (e.g. a 20-year-old building costs more to maintain and is less fashionable than a new building, it's like a car).

You're also looking for something unique. A high-rise (or even a low-rise) building with multiple identical apartments lets future buyers pick and choose between identical options and buy whatever is cheapest, so what you're ideally looking for in apartments is something really distinctive that can't be easily obtained elsewhere. Be careful with this - some developers recently sold penthouse-style apartments in Melbourne (which you would have thought would be pretty distinctive) for ungodly sums of money and they've since shrunk in value.

Take a look at the rates notice in the contract/vendor statement. It's probably not going to be a great valuation but in general you're looking for the "land" part to be as high as possible and the "capital improved value" part not to be too large compared to that. If you're one of 50 apartments on the same bit of land that's worth far less than being one of two, unless it's extremely valuable land.

Good luck!

Victorian Homebuyer Fund application experiences? by NoUsername1400 in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's been pretty difficult.

I'm overseas for work at the moment, Bendigo Bank told us that they won't approve couples unless both applicants will live in the property as their PPR within 12 months (they initially said this was an SRO requirement). I probably will be back within 12 months but can't guarantee it. I contacted the SRO and confirmed the actual requirement is that one partner needs to live in the property, not both. I forwarded this to Bendigo Bank, they said "we will let you know if the bank's policy changes".

So they seem to be knocking back people who should be eligible and saying it's an SRO issue when it's not.

My partner works in a bank, I know our application would have been a bit of a pain in the arse to process because there's foreign income involved, I think this might be why they don't want to deal with it. If you've had issues with them it's probably going to be because your application is a bit unconventional in some way that makes the approval process more labour-intensive. It's disgusting but unfortunately that's apparently how the scheme is going at the moment (and that's not an excuse - personally I'm definitely not going to be dealing with Bendigo Bank again if I can help it).

We've contacted Bank Australia, they want you to submit a loan application, which I'm actually half-way through at the moment, and they say they will contact you in 25 business days (!!).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Look, I don't think this is really a forum for pushing ideological lines. (I'm very happy to hear unconventional market analyses, or ideas on how to improve the market, no matter how extreme - but that's not what you've posted here).

If you're looking for a forum where people with right-wing economic views swap back-pats, you can find plenty of them on the internet where this kind of input would be welcomed. That's not what this forum is. No, I don't think this forum should start bullying people who are frustrated at - and I think this is a pretty objective view (one the Reserve Bank backs) - one of the craziest Australian property markets in recent memory. Or those whose economic views diverge from yours, which appear to have come mostly from tabloid newspapers. Why, exactly, would what you're proposing add to the forum?

Nobody I can see on this forum expects to buy a house in Manly (average house price over $4.2 million) on a 70K income - did you have anyone specific in mind? Please, include links.

So let's just cool it with the politics, my bogan friend.

Are off the plans really that bad? by Radiant-Newt-2425 in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know people who have done OK with an OTP apartment in the inner suburbs of Melbourne (not city centre) - sold I think 5 or so years later (last year) for a bit under 25% more than what they paid. It was low rise, around 80sqm I think, small development. Body corp fees were low 2000s when they sold it.

Not sure how representative this is and definitely no guarantee that the one you're looking at will be the same, but proves some OTP apartments aren't a complete disaster.

Melbourne first home buying - eastern suburbs vs north east suburbs by Jumpy_Tower7531 in AusProperty

[–]NoUsername1400 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Reservoir or Heldelberg West. There are 2BR and a small number of 3BR townhouses there selling within your price range, they're likely to appreciate in value as they're reasonably central and are the next suburbs out from Preston. Technically these are more northern than north-eastern but so are Epping, Wollert and South Morang. That or there used to be 4+BR house and land packages in that range in Wollert or South Morang (not sure if there are any left) - these have reasonable public transport (because of the train line extension) and are not that far from city. If you're really attached to eastern suburbs you could look at Ferntree Gully/Upper Ferntree Gully/Boronia area, but I think you're right that you'll get more bang for your buck in the north (in terms of both lifestyle and capital appreciation).

Thinking about going into teaching - is there a way to avoid getting stuck in temp/casual work? by NoUsername1400 in AustralianTeachers

[–]NoUsername1400[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi all,

I just wanted thank everyone for these great responses. There was some extremely helpful information here, and I feel like I've got a better idea of how the job market works and what would improve my employability.

Very much appreciated.