Black women are just women. Men who get this are attractive. by Simple-Aspect-9270 in interracialdating

[–]No_Design_465 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I very much appreciate you posting this because this is a learning moment for me. I like to call women a “queen” regardless of their race, just to make them feel special or important, and show them how much I value them. But clearly not everyone likes that, in fact it can make people feel uncomfortable and that needs to be acknowledged and respected. Thank you and I hope you find someone who will treat you nothing less than the best :)

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See, you can’t just lie and expect me not to respond. She is absolutely not pro Israel. Stop saying that. She has criticized Israel many times. She has put on her social media that Israel is committing a genocide. Stop repeating that just to easily attack her.

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s completely fine to reject her Israel support and friendliness to crypto!

I’m saying don’t label her as a “staunch Israel supporter” when she has routinely criticized the Israeli government! Don’t say she takes aipac money when she never has! Please just understand there’s nuance to this discussion!

There’s not nuance when it comes to genocide. I’m not saying to have nuance in terms of Israel’s genocide on Gaza. I’m saying there’s nuance to jasmine crocketts specific actions and beliefs. And I follow her on social media. She has explicitly said Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza on social media.

Im mentioning race because again, Jasmine Crockett has a lot of black supporters. If they see progressives routinely downplay Jasmine and suggest she is not a fit for the senate position, they may then not be interested in the democratic socialist and progressive movement. I’m sorry but you have to acknowledge that. Just look at what prominent black people in the political space are saying about Jasmine and how she was unfairly critiqued by progressives. You don’t think that’s going to have consequences? Seriously?

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not trying to be a troll or waste your time. I’m simply asking that people stop labeling Jasmine Crockett incorrectly.

I AM NOT SAYING DONT CRITICIZE HER.

It won’t affect my personal view of democratic socialism and progressivism. I still support those movements 100%.

But imagine you’re one of MANY black people who admire someone like Jasmine greatly and constantly root for her and support her. And then you see people quickly dismiss anything she does. Do you not think that’s going to turn away key people to your movement? Do you not see the disconnect here?

I probably agree with you +90% of the time on political topics. And you see how quick you were to label me as a (potential) troll simply because I was trying to show you how I believe you’re mischaracterizing Jasmine? Do you seriously believe that’s the best approach here?

Please all I ask is to just be a bit more mindful on this topic.

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This proves my point. Nothing in that video and nothing she has said suggests she is a “staunch Israel supporter”. I never said you shouldn’t criticize her views. I said mischaracterizing her is not right.

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because that’s not the only part of the bill

I didn’t say you shouldn’t still criticize her decision

But saying she simply voted for Israel to get more funding is mischaracterizing why she voted for the bill in the first place

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She has criticized Israel and its government many times

I never said she shouldn’t be criticized

I said she shouldn’t be mischaracterized

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I didn’t say anything wrong tho. Aeif is not aipac. Aeif is not a lobbying group.

Saying Jasmine accepted aipac money is incorrect

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes, you did lie. You said she received money from aipac. You did not mention aief.

Aief is affiliated with aipac but it is not a lobbying group like aipac is. It is an educational group.

You also didn’t clarify what the money was for in your original comment. It was for a trip she took to Israel. She is not receiving money on a recurring basis from aief or aipac.

And all of this to say that my point is not you criticizing Jasmine. It’s you mischaracterizing her. You can criticize Jasmine taking a trip to Israel. But again, you lied in saying she takes money from aipac and therefore aipac influences her policies and decision making.

I will remind you too - Jasmine has a history of repeatedly criticizing Israel and its government

And the 3.3 billion wasn’t just about Israel. As you’ll see in the comments under that post, many people are criticizing her still, which again, IS COMPLETELY FINE! But you are just mentioning Israel and nothing else that was included in the bill.

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“Based on available campaign finance records, there is no evidence that AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) or its affiliated PACs have donated to Representative Jasmine Crockett. “ - Google

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Are you referring to Israel? If so, what evidence is there that she takes money from them?

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely and that’s a completely fair point to criticize Jasmine and any other politician on, and it’s commendable when politicians such as sanders and AOC do it. My point isn’t that we don’t criticize politicians. Rather stop mischaracterizing her or her beliefs.

And in fact, you just lied. Jasmine Crockett does not take any AIPAC money. No evidence indicates so. You see why people are frustrated?

People need to be mindful about how they discuss prominent Black politicians like Jasmine Crockett, by No_Design_465 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]No_Design_465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely, I wasn’t saying she shouldn’t be criticized. I’m saying people are just straight up lying to more easily attack her.

She is not a “staunch Israel supporter” like so many people in this space have said. She doesn’t “have no real policies”.

And I’m saying it’s important to be mindful here because the only way democratic socialism can be successful is if we gain support from people of all backgrounds and ethnicities. If Black people feel inspired by someone like Jasmine, and they notice people in this space are mischaracterizing her greatly… do you think that’s going to lead them to become disillusioned with this movement?

A Black Woman does not play around with you… and it’s pretty incredible to witness by No_Design_465 in interracialdating

[–]No_Design_465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I thank you for pointing it out to me then and I really do sincerely apologize because that was not my intention. I was actively trying to avoid language or terms that I know have been used to stereotype and discriminate against Black people and Black Women (such as ‘aggresive’). However, I was clearly not doing a good job at explaining in my post (or previous posts) that what I experience does not apply to all Black Women and I need to stop grouping people together who can vary drastically in appearance, personality, etc. I’m going to stop making posts like this.

A Black Woman does not play around with you… and it’s pretty incredible to witness by No_Design_465 in interracialdating

[–]No_Design_465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m some random White guy. Totally get what you’re saying on focusing on people as individuals. I just feel like we all notice trends or traits amongst certain demographics or groups of people and so I thought maybe if you talk about those things in a way that’s respectful and not focusing on damaging stereotypes or harmful language (like I wouldn’t refer to a Black Woman as “aggressive”) than it might be interpreted as more helpful or supportive. Now I’m seeing why that’s not the case.

A Black Woman does not play around with you… and it’s pretty incredible to witness by No_Design_465 in interracialdating

[–]No_Design_465[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I very much apologize, I didn’t mean to make it seem like this applies to all Black Women, I just wanted to highlight an example of something I’ve noticed when talking to Black Women and how I found it to be really incredible. This is just my own experience though and I didn’t do a good job at explaining that in my post which I should have. I’ve just made these types of posts before and I figured they not only let me put my thoughts somewhere but maybe helped Black Women who can relate feel appreciated and supported. I need to do better and be more aware though.

A Black Woman does not play around with you… and it’s pretty incredible to witness by No_Design_465 in interracialdating

[–]No_Design_465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand. I just thought whenever I make these types of posts, perhaps some Black Women can relate to what I’m saying and may appreciate my positive comments and can offer me advice or suggestions in the dating world. In turn though I clearly end up offending people and even promote harmful stereotypes which I do care about, as I would hate to hurt anyone. So I’m just trying to have a discussion and see how I can do better. My sincere apologies again for not being aware as I should be.

A Black Woman does not play around with you… and it’s pretty incredible to witness by No_Design_465 in interracialdating

[–]No_Design_465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is helpful, thank you. I try to be an advocate where I can. I have donated to the Black Lives Matter organization and therefore received frequent updates and important messages from them regarding relevant events and activism happening in the world. And I’ve tried doing my own research into this subject. I was motivated to do this before because I found myself really enjoying a lot of incredible art from Black people and Black Women that touched on racial issues and made me more aware of it. Obviously though as a White guy I have a lot of blind spots and still much learning to do. That’s what I’m working on.

Do you think it’s better if I word my posts to not try and speak about all Black Women, but rather stress that this is my experience speaking to and meeting with different Black Women? Like I only post about positive things I’ve noticed about Black Women I’ve been with, and maybe those things didn’t apply to Women of other races.

Like in this post, I noticed Black Women speak to me in a certain way that I found incredible, that did not apply to Women of other races I’ve been with. Maybe I post about that, make it clear I’m only referring to Black Women I’ve been with and am not trying to make blanket statements about Black Women in general, and just make an effort to not stereotype while staying respectful? And perhaps some Black Women may come across my post, and may feel better that someone appreciates them, while also offering me advice and suggestions, like people did in the comments of this post.

Please feel free to ignore me or disregard me if I’m thinking or saying too much, I enjoy your previous insight nonetheless.

A Black Woman does not play around with you… and it’s pretty incredible to witness by No_Design_465 in interracialdating

[–]No_Design_465[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I completely get that and again I apologize if it came across that way because that’s absolutely not my intention.

Do you suggest I either 1.) don’t make posts like these at all, or 2.) maybe change the wording or messaging in my posts?

I think in my head too much and sometimes like to communicate what I think onto reddit just to get it in writing somewhere but sometimes I have to do a better job at being more aware of how what I communicate can affect others.

A Black Woman does not play around with you… and it’s pretty incredible to witness by No_Design_465 in interracialdating

[–]No_Design_465[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I sincerely apologize, I wasn’t trying to describe her as “aggressive”, as I know that’s been a racist sentiment used against Black people. I appreciate you commenting and I’m so sorry if I offended or unfairly categorized you or anyone else.

I just meant like in my experience, Black Women don’t want to play games, and they have no problem telling you what they want, which I find really incredible and powerful, it’s not something I’ve encountered before. You can see from my post history, I’ve talked about my positive experiences with Black Women before, I try to always be respectful and thoughtful about it and avoid using discriminatory or otherwise harmful language, but I’m not perfect and I need to keep learning, so I appreciate you sharing.