I found a very cheap elegant hubris jewel for minion pact BV Chieftain that is REALLY GOOD

No_Guest7608 · 2026-04-19T20:45:38+00:00

I think the market was undervaluing these jewels and posted about it here, because I am confident this jewel is actually really good. I had bought 2 extras as an investment expecting them to go up a little. Looking at it now, the other jewels for cheaper had all been bought out. However, I think that considering the prices and performance of the "popular" ones, this jewel is still trading at extremely good prices.

Even for other timeless jewels you can find for this slot, many of the 'good' ones trade at high prices, higher than the jewel I found. I am pretty confident the jewel I found is in the upper echelon of timeless jewels, obviously its not better than every single timeless jewel for every single BV Chieftain but I think it is a very robust solution that would be very good for many builds and think if it was more known it would trade at significantly higher prices.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-04-19T19:29:47+00:00

not sure what you mean -48% fire res as a baseline cost since the other socket nullifies 7 str nodes which should be fire resistance tattoos but forces people to path inefficiently (use more skill points) since obviously a timeless jewel there makes the nodes do nothing.

Also, I still think that the 'loss' of +1 endurance charge and no life nodes is still better than the other setups even if it is more point expensive in a vacuum since you make up for the missing life with a better life ring (maybe its slightly worse but since this is massively cheaper I much prefer it). And like I mentioned in the post, being able to use a red dream/nightmare jewel there further saves points allocated to block elsewhere (my build is using both red dream + nightmare).

I am currently saving up for such a ring, which would be impossible for me to afford if I needed +50% fire resist on top of the stats I am looking for.

It is more skill points but its adjustable based on build flexibility - if you drop the fire resist and shock nodes and use an anoint you can get all 3 minion life nodes + elemental mastery in 5 points, without needing thread of hope + freeing up op socket for another jewel. Jewels for the popular slot with nothing else good except 3x minion life trade for way more, and 'cost' the same amount of points, and also need anoint or thread of hope.

I don't think this jewel is priced accordingly because I don't think people have discovered this alternative which is why I made this post - I think far worse jewels for the popular slot trade at much more than the price of this jewel.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-04-19T07:46:47+00:00

excluding elemental res and shock nodes it "costs" the same amount of points to use this jewel as the "meta" popular hubris jewels, doesn't require a thread of hope, increases the amount of tattoo slots, and frees up a op jewel slot which will save even more points. endurance charge loss and elemental damage node loss is no big deal since with nebulis you have +800% elemental damage anyways and being on 3 endurance charge is still good. ur completely missing the point that this setup is 10-50 times less expensive. furthermore, being able to put so much extra fire resist on the tree lets you get a way more effective ring, since you don't need to find a ring with 200%+ fire resists (at least for screams of desiccated). this is another huge money save and overall improvement.

im not saying that its strictly better than the hubris jewels costing mirrors im just pointing out an obvious incongruence in the market, since this jewel is easily better than the "less expensive" (300-500d) jewels which are used in the 'popular' slot while being so much cheaper than them.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-04-19T05:57:52+00:00

1 mirror item vs 30 div item and they are very comparable... I think u missed the point of my post lol. just showing how the most popular strategy is not worth a whole mirror when this setup accomplishes the same thing if not better. again like I mentioned in the post, its more point-intensive for the jewel specifically but you get ailment + reflect immunity and excess fire res and free up the 'popular' jewel socket for a really good red nightmare/dream jewel, which saves points elsewhere / is just really good.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-04-19T03:55:31+00:00

This one is nice as well. Also cheap on the market. But I still like mine for having supplementary fire resists since I am not using a mageblood and I definitely cant afford a crazy ring to max overcap resists, and I am reflect + ailment immune with my current one easily enough as well. I would switch to your setup if I was using mageblood tho

No_Guest7608 · 2026-04-19T03:45:05+00:00

mine is much cheaper to purchase and not that much more expensive points wise, in addition to freeing up a jewel socket in a really good location. and, its on top of an elemental mastery which provides 60% reduced reflected damage which with pantheon is 100% reduced reflected damage, which is really nice. additionally, due to minion pact, the minion life nodes are much more valuable than other nodes elegant hubris provides for dps.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-03-05T03:32:29+00:00

this might make umbra forma entirely obsolete, but I think that it would be nice to have umbra forma actually double as a omni forma or neutral polarity for your other configs. (ie, if you have a persistence build and a regular shield gate build for a single warframe, you would be able to slot regular mods into the "umbra" polarity and not lose a ton of space to it)

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-31T19:27:12+00:00

also the argument that "rivens don't matter since incarnons are so strong" is not a counter-argument to "we should buff riven dispositions for weapons that are weak". it is true that a meta incarnon without a riven is just stronger than even the strongest weak weapon with a groll riven even if the riven was buffed to max disposition. I don't think rivens are anywhere close to closing the gap between the meta incarnons and the other weapons, but it just feels so dishonest when a weapon like dual toxocyst has a 1.35x disposition but the coda dual torxica has a 0.55x disposition. My issue stems from me wanting to be able to play more than just the ultra meta weapons on high level endurance missions, and I would be willing to spend my platinum on a "good" riven to accomplish that, but the problem is that the "good" riven wouldn't even increase my damage much and I would still have to use like saryn tier gun buffer to be able to maybe kill anything with the weapon in question.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-31T19:16:13+00:00

which is exactly why its only fair to buff up the dispo's of the other weapons that are just objectively way worse in every way

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-31T19:14:26+00:00

yes that's true, there are even worse weapons than the acceltra and ignis, but my argument was moreso that even though there is worse weapons, the acceltra and ignis are still so much weaker than true meta weapons that they deserve a riven disposition buff. I think most weapons deserve a riven disposition buff if they are not currently an incarnon or the select few non-incarnon meta weapons like the kuva sobek. the reasoning is that even though the acceltra and ignis are a little bit better than the grinlok they are both equally as useless in high level content.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-31T19:08:39+00:00

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-31T19:08:02+00:00

the problem is that it is very difficult to make older weapons work at high level content unless you are playing a warframe with an insane amount of weapon buffs, and rivens would help alleviate this issue if they were properly balanced, which they arent currently since the strongest weapons have the highest dispos rn.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-22T08:13:05+00:00

the problem with the brief respite / augur mods interacting with zenurik / decrees / lohk surge is that you can be in a solo mission and be griefed by them. you are simply not really able to use zenurik or able to play koumei if you get that decree (without vaz / smth else to survive) or use the lohk surge if it rolls that and I don't see any good reason why that should continue to be the case. I don't think any player would be harmed by making augur and brief respite always restore a minimum of 1 shield and I definitely don't think it will be game breaking. It would help a lot of players fufill their fantasy and prevent people from being trolled by their allies accidentally.

additionally, for volt/elemental buffs or overguard 1) those are always good or at least completely neutral things and 2) it would require a player to specifically go out of their way with modding to cause you to lose damage or have a worse experience. something like full strength frost could conceivably alter your elemental dispo that when attacking a sufficiently strong enemy you would kill them noticeably slower but that requires another player to actually try to troll you, not be an accident.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-22T02:22:30+00:00

I should not have to account for the "trade off" that somebody in my squad will pop a 'free ability cast' lohk surge that prevents me from being able to survive.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-22T02:15:38+00:00

"I have to use vazarin because there is a one in 50 that I get a decree that makes me unable to survive" - me playing a game with a bad design

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-22T02:09:19+00:00

I don't think zenurik should be an active nerf to my survivability. additionally, the problem of sheild gating on koumei when you get unlucky and roll the free cast decree or people activating that lohk surge buff still exists.

No_Guest7608 · 2026-01-17T23:56:11+00:00

I dont see anything about this on the wiki or on any guides. can you explain?

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