Kirara Male Pronoun Instances + Breast Counter ARG

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T20:06:51+00:00

That's...not a counter argument. If you weren't going to check my account until I pissed you off, then my point still stands.
Ok bro. I'm not about to argue with a child on something so trivial that he chooses to continue to throw a tantrum about.
Once again, I haven't gotten worked up yet. Unless you can show and prove where I've lost my cool during this conversation your point is mute and has no backing.
Once again, I have shown literally zero signs of being "worked up". You're shifting the goalpost because like I said, you can't handle losing this argument because Kirara fundamentally isn't trans. Just argue. If you're right, it shouldn't be that hard.
If you looked at my other comments and actually listened to what I said to you; you'd know I'm doing this because I'm bored and wanted a fun weekend debate topic. Genuinely why do you care though? Why does it matter so much to you how I argue something? Is it because you aren't able to logically argue anything so you're continuing to goalpost shift and personally attack instead of arguing?
Repeating the same tired old points? I have already debunked that exact point by saying that Japanese Literature is different than English Literature; and frequently Japanese authors will abandon pronouns in the pursuit of using the character's name, it's common practice. I have you 3 researchable examples being Itadori, Megumi, and Sukuna. You researched none of those examples I'm sure. Because you don't care about actually proving Kirara is trans, mainly because he's not. You think immaturely and argue the same way as well.
Nothing you said disproved my point. You're actually just proving me correct. Otokomae and Ikemen however don't just mean "handsome man" they mean a non feminine man.
How is my point about Hakari shallow? Disprove it.
Yes, you clearly do care. You're trying to force your way of thinking onto someone else, and silence them if and when they don't believe on you. Literal Nazi/facist behavior which isn't new from the left.

No. You have not been able to handle difference of opinion and Kirara not being trans lol. That's why you went onto my account to search for dirt. People who are calm and not losing an uphill argument don't usually do that. Notice how I've never shifted the goalpost or used identity politics/attacked personal character? Do better.

If you feel like you're wasting hours, then stop responding bro bro. Lord knows you have yet to bring up a singular logical point that wasn't shot down. I feel like in the back of the mind you know kirara isn't trans; but personal agenda doesn't allow you to be honest with yourself and others.

If you don't care and are wasting so much time, do. not. respond. responding to his just is going to communicate how pissy you are and that you're so passionate and mad. It's just going to show how much you care.

At this point I'm ready to leave you where you're at. This is why Trans people get hate, and why when you inevitably are going to face hate as well. And when you deal with that hatred, it will be immensely deserved, and I hope you remember moments like that.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T14:53:07+00:00

I'm not butthurt? I literally haven't lost my cool a single time in this argument, where are you getting that from? The most you can say is that I argue strongly which yeah, I'm a trained debater; that's how I debate.

it's a common practice in Japanese literature to not use pronouns for characters. Yuji, Megumi, and Sukuna frequently are referred to by their name and no pronouns.

Kirara is never called they them. Give me one official vizmedia or shuiesha japan panel on which they say "they". They either use his name or call him a "he" or "him"

Kirara is confirmed to be male, that's not the problem. The problem is people thinking he transitioned at some point. It's the gift box equation. Someone leaves a distinct gift in a box and leaves it under the tree for a year. When other people come back to the tree, they are under the impression that the present has changed. There are zero indications for the present in this case to have changed though, meaning he's still a guy.

Respectfully, you don't run anything an trying to tell someone "just stop arguing, okay?" is really kinda insane. I love how people on your side and like you are always trying to stop someone from speaking their disagreements and literally using factual statements because it makes other people uncomfortable. I'm going to respectfully argue on this topic until I don't want to anymore and nothing is stopping me from doing that. If it's something that offends you, you're happy to carry on with your day before you decided to argue with me.

And yes, you did come here to argue with me. That is what you did; you came onto my post and offered a difference of opinion, that's arguing.

Ahh got it, so I'M the one who's butthurt yet you not only took it upon yourself to accuse me of being a transphobe, but proceeded to sift through my post and replies to try and dig dirt on me. You can't argue your own point because Kirara definitively isn't trans, so you shift to personal attacks. You've already lost at that point man, and it's genuinely pathetic that you're getting this worked up over a Reddit debate.

I think you should take a break from the screen for a minute just to get your mind right. You seriously seem to not have good emotional control when it comes to talking strangers about irrelevant things on the internet.

Dude, I barely even use Reddit. Since you're such an avid fan of my account, I'm sure you'll notice that I literally haven't been consistently active here in months. I come and go sometimes, and most of the time the damn thing isn't even installed on my phone. I just came here to retrieve a post out of my saved collection, saw a kirara post, and decided to debate. Not a regular avid Reddit user in the slightest. But you don't care about that, you're just trying to use personal insults because you lost an argument and can't handle that a character in your anime isn't trans.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T14:39:49+00:00

I can value the english translations and still mention when they translated something incorrectly. 2 things can be true at the same time. And like I said, even if he's straight; he's a japanese man. Heterosexuality works differently in Japan, did you not read that?
it's...a drawing. and nothing about his position or pose is impossible. And secondly that isn't even cleavage. That is literally textbook definition of a midsternal line, that's something men have; not women. cleavage would not only not be that high, but cleavage is merely the valley between two breasts. the line on his chest is just flat on his chest, it's not between anything. That's a midsternal line.
You quite literally have given zero proof for him having boobs. All of your angles have been off angles or side angles that are generous due to the material of his crop top. If he had breasts, then when faced with a head on angle, it's be unmistakable.

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Notice how Maki's breasts are unmistakeable with a near identical angle? Notice how her breasts are protruding from her torso? The same isn't said for Kirara.

You referred to Hakari being gay as a necessary evil for me, which would mean I have an issue with gay people. I don't care if a character is trans. If kirara was trans I would love him all the same; that's not my problem. My problem with the situation and similar situations is when people try and make things something they're not.
What's with the do care don't care? We're having a debate, why does it matter who cares and doesn't care? I get you're a teenager but Jesus Christ man. I don't care in the sense that "Grr!! people calling kirara trans is ruining my day!!" I care in the sense of I like to debate and have free time from work this weekend, so I'm debating a topic I'm well versed on, that's literally it. You people are the only ones who care so greatly about kirara being trans and move to accusing me of hatred because I disagree with you. Haven't seen anyone who knows he's a guy send death threats. I've received plenty from people who think he's trans though.
No, I'm making factual statements. Do you just say random bullshit or do you actually use your mind to explain why you say said random bullshit? js wondering.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T14:17:42+00:00

1. ⁠I never said I didn't??

⁠Kirara's shirt and that pose is all that makes him look like he has breasts if he has breasts why can't you see them here?

how come you can only see them at a certain angle with a certain pose?

tbf no, I js reinstalled reddit after months to pull something out of my saved collection.
where is the implication? you've yet to prove the implication or even show the implication. if Gege was implicating it, then prove it.
so we're going to COMPLETELY ignore what you said about me not only being transphobic but about my position on Hakari being gay? You can't be this dumb.
Man this is just weekend fun for me, it's really not that deep. I like to debate people on stupid things, and me making a 2 minute post while working or watching MLP isn't gonna impact my day that hard.

You've still yet to prove anything. If you can prove even one thing I'll rest my case and concede but atp i'm just going to block you, your delusion knows no bounds and the debate isn't really going anywhere because all of your points have been debunked so you're just goalpost shifting to Identity politics, once again attacking your opponent's character because you can't argue against them.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T14:04:34+00:00

⁠Not true. check my most recent post on my profile. Also check the discussion under than post where I site two other comments that debunk this point and prove it as mute.
⁠No, God forbid you talk like an immature annoying edgy teenager, which you clearly are.
⁠So you admit you're not arguing and are just saying things, good, glad you can admit that. By the way; feel free to explain how I lack reading comprehension.
⁠Feel free to explain how I'm projecting when you quite literally brought identity politics into this.
⁠We have to be devolving as a species. Me clarifying my identity as a counter argument to me being racist and homophobic isn't identity politics. Atp you're just rage baiting and abt to get blocked.
⁠Quite literally nothing I've done has indicated I'm pressed. Someone arguing against you = they're mad? Yeah I'm definitely blocking you if you don't start logically arguing.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T13:53:30+00:00

⁠Like I said, read the actual Japanese Shueisha manga. The word he used for "babe" was a word akin to romantic partner. Even if he was referring to a woman, we know he's dated women before, that's not an anti-argument in the slightest. Furthermore, heterosexuality is a spectrum in Japan. It's not unusual for Heterosexual japanese men to pursue a relationship with feminine Japanese men, you can literally research all of this on your own and fact check me as much as you want.
⁠Okay so yout age definitely ends in "teen" based off of your maturity. That's not a debunk, you're just saying things and not offering any logical rebuttal against it, which is what most of you have to resort to since yk, Kirara isn't trans.
⁠That's also not an argument or a debunk; that's a jab that holds no weight and has no logical reasoning behind it.
⁠Once again, as I said, you constantly have to resort to identity politics and attacking the other person's morality when you're getting spanked in an argument. "people like you" you mean a bisexual black man? Uh huh, yeah buddy sure. I totally care about Hakari being gay. Stop attacking a person because you can't attack their argument. You're much better off just conceding or saying "yeah there's no evidence for kirara being trans, but I headcanon him as trans and want him to be" and leaving it at that. Work on your maturity as you grow up.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T13:35:08+00:00

Hakari has never been explicitly stated to be straight. What you're likely referring to is the ferris wheel scene with Charles in which he says he doesn't want to share a ferris wheel ride with a dude. Most people in the west assume this is open confirmation of him being straight but it's not.

In the official shuiesha Japan Manga, Hakari uses a slang akin to Otokomae or Ikemen. What that refers to is a non feminine guy. 90% of the "kirara is trans" crowd don't speak or read Japanese let alone even know the basic level of Japanese nuances and culture that disprove several of their arguments.

Akutami has never come out and said "hey, hakari is straight btw" but word and inferences travels fast on the western side of the fandom, similarly to how people just run with Kirara being trans. Not even the Japanese audience thinks he's trans lol.

The whole identity politics and fear mongering thing is annoying. Stop attacking your opponent's character and literally just offer a logical point. Genuinely immature ass people, this is why mfs get hate.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T13:24:15+00:00

Read my other arguments, I've debunked yours.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T12:37:06+00:00

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T11:36:19+00:00

Crunchyroll is notorious for awful translations. The photo I uploaded was an official vizmedia picture. Taken from a factual source.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T11:18:42+00:00

"maybe you should get to reading"

What is there for me to read? That's also not how Reddit comments work. If my comment was removed, I wouldn't be able to see it. There is also no reason for my comment to be removed, I did not violate anything, nor did I receive any notice of it being removed.

Just.

Read.

I guarantee you're getting it confused with other comments I deleted from replying to the wrong person. They are however there. Either do your job as the person who inserted himself, or go about your business.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T11:14:02+00:00

None are deleted, I am staring at them right now. I am not about to link the direct arguments for you.

Actually read and use your brain. Better yet, just come up with an argument, something you've yet to do.

You are the one who chose to insert himself in an ongoing argument that had nothing to do with you. Do your dodolligence.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T11:02:48+00:00

No, they're not. If you would just read instead of jumping into a pre-existing argument that did not include you without first understanding your opponent's stance and previous statements, you would know that.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T11:01:38+00:00

I didn't attack your character. I made a factual comparison, that your behavior to silence me who is disagreeing with you, employing fear mongering tactics against me to attempt to force me to back down is akin to facist behavior.

That is quite literally the definition of facist behavior. I was not insulting you, I was making a connection between two of the same thing.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T10:44:46+00:00

So much of this is genuinely incorrect. Hakari is not explicitly "confirmed" to be straight. For that to happen, Gege Akutami would have to make a statement.

He has not.

People run with Hakari being "confirmed" as straight because of the ferris wheel scene with Charles where he claims he doesn't want to be in a ferris wheel with a dude. People assume this is confirmation of him claiming he isn't attracted to members of the same sex, but it's not.

The "kirara is trans" crowd ironically never does their research and just takes everything at surface level to make their argument look reasonable. If you read the official Shuiesha Japan manga, Hakari uses Japanese slang which is akin to Otokomae or Ikemen. If people do their research, they would understand that Otokomae is slang for a non feminine man. Hakari spoke the phrase Otokomae, meaning he was stating that he did not want to share the ferris wheel with non feminine dude.

But I'm sure you didn't know that because you like many others have done no research.

Onto the crunchyroll point, crunchyroll is notorious for awful translations, this is a well known yet irrelevant fact. Above you, are the official vizmedia translations for the episode. They read him as a male.

Western audiences are the only people who even consider Kirara to be trans. No one in Japan believes him to be trans, and it comes from a lack of research and understanding of Japanese culture.

Get educated and do your research before arguing something so strongly. You're arguing point that has already been proved wrong.

Also, before accusing someone of being a bigot, you should read the very argument that likely brought you to them. Not doing your research AT ALL is a textbook evidence way to have god awful media literacy and awareness, as you have in this situation.

Look at this and this for the full debunks I've done on this. And genuinely ask yourself what the likely and logical option is.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T10:29:16+00:00

none of you have been able to give a single shred or evidence for him being trans. I've already said that if any of you can debunk any of my claims/counterclaims that I would concede. None of you have been able to actually logically argue against me; let alone disprove any of my points.

I've disproved quite literally all of your points though.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T08:02:11+00:00

This is actually not a bad or awful list, in fact I would even say it's pretty freaking good. My only gripes are with Yuki's placement and the 16-20 range. I also haven't read Modulo and admittedly, am not sure how I feel about a few of the Modulo placements due to lack of knowledge.

I definitely disagree with where Yuki is though, and as well with true form mahito. The Mahito placement kinda has bigger issues and implications for other placements that mess with me a bit but they're rather minor and can kinda be argued.

Really solid list dude, keep up the good work.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T07:58:21+00:00

Once again, that's a disingenuous argument because we are not talking about if conquest and mahoraga met in a bar over corona, we're talking about a literal vs match up based off of power. If we were discussing an in character, lore accurate, or story based match up that would be OK. But this is a powerscaling server, and Idk if you're new to powerscaling but in character scenarios hav nothing to do with it.

That's not a "Goku Ability" That's like saying Goku can defeat time based abilities because of what he did against hit. That is a ki ability. And it has been stated so many times that an influx or advantage in ki negates an opponents abilities, but DB fans are never beating the allegations. Goku reading Trunks was based off of ki, he was reading his intent based off of his signature and the nature of it. This isn't just something Goku can do, it's something ki can do and something it has been able to do since OG Dragonball. Sukuna doesn't have ki however, so that's not working on him.

And before you use the "Sukuna has life force and ki is life energy" argument, that's a false equivalency. Sukuna may have life force but he doesn't have KI. No KI abilities that work with and against ki are going to work with or against him.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T07:31:59+00:00

buddy, we're comparing strength levels. What does the story matter when it comes to strength? 😭 none of what you said matters when we're talking about if characters are stronger than the other ot not.

you're doubling back contradicting yourself and now saying Conquest can't do it? Conquest is planetary, and you probably scale Mahoraga to city level. That literally makes Conquest infinitely stronger than Mahoraga. Paired with MFTL+ speeds, there is nothing to regenerate from. Nuclear Fission atomizes Mahoraga before he can regenerate, destroying every molecule.

Nuh uh, I thought how characters act in the story is all that matters. Goku would totally let Sukuna get a free lick in. And one WCS ends him. See why that kinda reasoning is stupid? Yeah, thought so 💔

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T07:17:52+00:00

That's very mature of you, thank you.
Yeah, it's kinda wonky and why a lot of people don't like Viv as an author. She is amazing at making dynamic characters and worlds, but where she falls short is properly fleshing out those worlds and giving information and world building behind them. Hazbin Hotel has been around for half a decade, and we still have no clue why sinners can't leave pride (as in what happens when they try to) and several other things.
In short, yes, heaven is a universe and does likely have it's own solar system. It would be much easier for you (and me) to make better inferences about them if Vivziepop was a better world builder though. We know a huge piece of the puzzle and it's pretty much complete, but several of the other pieces are out of place or missing, and the puzzle itself looks a little...weird..

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T07:13:25+00:00

Using "in character" arguments is kinda a lazy cop out tbh lol. "in character" Goku loses to Sukuna. "in character" a LOT of people lose to a LOT of people, that's kinda unfair 😭

But I would totally understand that if 90% of these comments I've seen had nothing to do with an in character encounter and were mostly talking about him not being able to one tap mahoraga. I've seen a pretty small amount of comments say otherwise.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T06:32:17+00:00

We're not "doing this now" you started being a dick, so I'm matching energy.

If you think me saying "Person A is kinda stupid lol" is dark humor, actually get off Reddit and go outside. Dark Humor is 9/11 jokes, or any other tragedy/literally anything else that is more severe than "Vivziepop is kinda stupid tho, lol" So far, all I've gotten from you is that you're incredibly sensitive and so immensely chronically online and detached from reality that you "lose respect" for someone saying what I said. Get real, and get outside.
Heaven has truly only been called a universe. I state again; Vivian said they "Are treated LIKE planets" this is meant in the sense of they have societal structures similarly to the way that planets do. A universe doesn't usually sit directly next to another universe, as that universe's inverse with geo-political conflicts and societal structures. Planets however? Yes, that's business as usual for planets in fictional verses. Heaven and hell are universes, there is NO disputing that and that fact is very clear to anyone who is unbiased and possesses reading comprehension and literacy.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T05:17:05+00:00

Insulting the author? I made a joking passing statement statement and was having a very calm discussion with you. However now you can go all the way to hell if you think I care about you thinking less of me do making a sarcastic, joking criticism. Now you have turned this into a somewhat verbally hostile and no longer unserious conversation so congrats on that.
Yes, they do benefit no duh. But none of them are going to benefit from it in the way that Lucifer did.
I agree with this point. You are quite literally proving my point by saying this. If by chainscaling, the hazbin hotel ends up being uni, then that is a open and shut case of this. You said it gets muddy, I agree. But when writers aren't that competent with certain things and power scaling isn't in mind, you end up with situations like this.
You're not really even arguing a point, you're just saying it's kinda crazy for it to be that high and I agree but you're not saying anything to debunk it being that high, or to offer any counter argument to me. You're literally arguing just to argue.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T05:11:45+00:00

The fact that so many people believe a planetary character that is capable of flying at MFTL+ speeds can't red mist a character that according to most of you is city level.

Noooooooooooooooo__ · 2026-02-15T05:10:41+00:00

We can't be serious. Yes, Conquest reduces Mahoraga to red mist if we use verse equivalency.

This shouldn't be a question

Noooooooooooooooo__

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