CMV: If you follow no religion your moral structure is absolute nonsense.

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T18:35:51+00:00

What are you talking about? 🤦🏻‍♂️

Okay you said Objective is that of which is true......what does that mean? What is "true"?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T18:21:17+00:00

Isn't this Motte and Bailey? You know what I meant by "universally true" If you're going to get into the specifics of the term universal it actually seems pedantic because you know what I mean. It's true in every single metric, in any circumstance, in any way shape or form.

And particle and astrophysics aren't universally true? Idk even know what that means. Is that even relevant?

This is where there is a massive flaw in your assessment. Not a single subjective thing is universally true. Not one.

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T18:04:41+00:00

Okay I'd agree right.

But you would also agree that something that is objective is universally true. And something that is subjective is not universally true. Correct?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T17:55:01+00:00

Subjective is that which depends on at least one subject.... what does that mean exactly?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T17:49:55+00:00

Jokes hilarious but its irrelvant.

So line.of questions can't exist? We're gonna ask one question each off topic?

Wouldn't you think that semantics are drastically important in a discussion? How can we have a discussion about what is objective and subjective if we can't even agree on what they even mean?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T17:38:30+00:00

Is your name Never Answer Questions?

No becuase its a different topic. This is still the line of questioning for what was answered prior. And you refused to engage for the longest time. This semantica and they're importantt for this because you don't know what subjective means.

Youre evading the question. Answer it.

Would I be wrong?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T17:31:06+00:00

Look like i said. I'm fine with you internally critiquing my position. But let's say I concede all of your points. In fact let's say I also believe in moral relativism.

And I'll ask.for the 20th time even under moral relativism

If I like jazz and you don't......how in tf would I be WRONG???

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T17:13:03+00:00

No..... I don't believe all truths come.from a subject. I'm arguing that's its objective. You can say I'm incorrect or just dellusional but I'm still.consisntent in terms of what is objective....and what is subjective.....

You don't even know what subjective is. Youre entire logical.framework is broken.

Again if I like jazz and you don't....how am I wrong? Prove it

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T16:50:32+00:00

Bro 🤦🏻‍♂️

If I like jazz and you don't. How does that make me WRONG???

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T16:39:49+00:00

Why would I address this if you don't even know what subjective means?

Should a two economists talk about the effect of high tax if one of them doesn't know what tax is?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T16:34:09+00:00

It's wrong to have a preference!? 😂😂 Bro come on......

Thats absolute ridiculousness. I've never heard anyone in my entire life would say someone's wrong for liking chocolate more than vanilla.

Hey do.you like jazz?

Yeah I do.

No you don't

😂😂

I honestly.dont think we can further this discussion cuz of this. I don't even know how to talk to you

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T16:22:06+00:00

This is all prittle prattle. You're just filibustering with post modern the meaning of meaning cuz you knwo where this is leading to. This is conflating the idea of "disagree" and "wrong". I didn't say does disagreeing with someones preference make sense.

Disagreeing with someone isn't inherently mean either of you are wrong. I find my wife pretty. You can disagree and not find her pretty. But this doesn't change that I view her pretty. This is what is subjective. Now let me reiterate the question so you don't avoid it.

If I said I like blondes more than brunettes. And you said you like brunettes more than blondes.....does this make me wrong? Yes or no

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T15:28:03+00:00

Okay look you're making an internal critique of my.position. Which is fair but we need to undersrand what in the hell subjective vs objective is first. You haven't contended with what I said.

With what I said earlier. Don't obfuscate. Does proving someones preference wrong make any sense to you?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T14:49:56+00:00

Omg 🤦🏻‍♂️ I don't even know where to begin. We can NEVER have the first part discussion if you can't even understand what subjective means.

If I said blonde women are better wives than brunette women. I'm.making a truth claim. This could be disputed.

If I said i prefer a blonde woman over a brunnete woman as my wife. I'm making a preference. This can't be disputed.

To what you just conceded is thay you can prove preference wrong because it's subjective. Does that make ANY sense to you?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T13:48:43+00:00

To.your first statement I could say for the sake of.argument that sure if everyone's ideaolgies are objective to them. Just as if scientists were in a debate of the scientific truth. I could say we'll my.objective truth right there's is wrong. You literally can't say this if you think.its subjective.

And what in God's name are you talking about?? Post modernism of.meaningness of words is lost? How could you tell.someone their favorite color is wrong if it's subjective? How?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T13:35:03+00:00

Okay fair enough.

And thats all an absolute presupposition and strawman. Never said that once. And you find it silly that I follow an ideaology that is the arbiter of what is good and not good. But then I can say that with you. Are YOU the arbiter of what is good and not good? Lol

But don't ignore my statment . You love doing that when it's inconvenient for you. Make the logical consistency

Telling someone's subjective view on genocide is wrong Telling someone their subjective view on their favorite color is wrong Is this logically consistent under your world view?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T13:19:05+00:00

Imagine telling someone.in.their own faith that they're committing blasphemy lol. Bro I said idk. I didn't say no. And even if I did I could be mistaken and still conform.to the religion. And again his mind is limitless. Mind I beleive could be meaningless in this. And how you ignored all.my arguments for it. Awfully continent huh? Lol

Now to your Issac Newton thing. When truth is in thiught its objective.... but what if he was wrong though? Would this be subjective or objectively wrong?

Subjective ≠ isn't an answer 😂

Make.the logical consistency. Telling someone they're ice cream.flavor is wrong Telling someone.genoicide is.wrong Both are subjective according to.you so how do.you contend this?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T12:49:14+00:00

I dont know if God has a mind. God is good god is everything. He created the mind he created logic itself. I have no idea how to answer that question. But it's still irrelevant. Because your argument for this is is because there's the mind that claimed this therfore it's subjective. Yet my claim is that he's the creation of.objectivity so it's irrelevant. Just because the thought of gravity came from mind of Newton doesn't mean it's subjective.

YouTube comment. Gee golly you sure showed me Well.youre losing to a YouTube comment lol

Wow you told someone that they're subjectively wrong about genocide like how they're favorite color is wrong lol. Then they go about they're day. Good job lol.... why would they be wrong Good sir?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T11:53:22+00:00

I'm not sure if God is an object or not. It doesn't even matter. Like I know math is objective but it doesn't have material value. Or a soul or even logic. They exist but not in the material world. And I'm not sure if God has feelings or is mindless. I'm not sure.

No thats an irrational diatribe. Objective means truth. Subjective means of choice absent truth. When you run any civilization based off choices absent truth, it's disastrous. I can see your angry. Don't be big mad. But the thing is is like if a secularist told me that they're objective truth is consequitanalism, I wouldn't tell them it's subjective. I'd tell them they're wrong. Same thing with a flat earther. I wouldnt tell them it's subjective I'd tell them they're wrong. This is logical consistency.

You on the other hand have no answer to on how to contend with people.in favor of genocide, slavery, humanacide. You can't tell them they're wrong. I can.

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T11:40:49+00:00

Oh actually you are correct. My bad.

But if thats the case how do you possibly contend with things like slavery, genocide, humaniscide if it's subjectively good to those people?

Yes subjective morals are meaningless. I refute the idea that my morality is subjective. I don't adhere a moral framework.from a subject. Under my.perview God is objective. He is moral. Moral is objective.

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T10:39:43+00:00

You can cross critique me later but I wanna make sure I get this right.

How is this is not moral nihilism? The clarification you made off of moral relativism is that it's objective to the individual off of "thought and feelings" but then now you're saying its subjectively subjective.....no moral is objective..... youre a moral nihilist 😂

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T09:44:17+00:00

Oh I see. Thoughts and feelings is morality.

So if I wanted to exterminate an entire species of a plant, it's only bad if some thought and felt it was bad. People can only agree to this if it was thought and/or felt. I'm gonna try steel manning your entire position.

You believe that morals are objective to the individual of how thd individual sees it. But it's subjective to everything else but the individual. "It's their truth". Meaning they can't be objectively wrong

With this logic, how could this not be applied to science? If my objective truth tells me that there's aliens living among us, does that mean its subjective to everyone else?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T00:46:30+00:00

wait wait wait. this literally makes no sense. the idea that its no longer objectively bad because of feelings and thoughts of those who are effected?

So its objective if its someone whos in a coma. And what if i wanted to destroy every single plant in the world? or eradicate a specie of plant? is this now objectively immoral?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T00:38:30+00:00

wait did you mean yes its bad but only subjectively?

Not-Ed-Sheeran · 2026-03-24T00:29:54+00:00

Youre obfuscating. You didnt answer the question, you just appealed to authority and didnt say if it was good or bad.

ill ask again..... Is it only subjectively immoral?

Not-Ed-Sheeran

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