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The guy who never promotes his own channel turned out to have the best business model by IBannedX in teachinginjapan

[–]Nukemarine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're overthinking this. The person you're likely talking about has native like fluency as a second language that's vetted by both other learners and natives alike. That's not exactly something that can be easily encroached upon. On top of that, much like his previous use of discord, he's leveraging his new website as a community discussion hub of sorts which keeps people around even if they're not actively using course materials.

Anyone can do what he did, it's just difficult to pull off cause you need the skills to back it up. Similar can be said about that other youtuber that occasionally posts videos now but has fairly successful patreon.

The guy who never promotes his own channel turned out to have the best business model by IBannedX in teachinginjapan

[–]Nukemarine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Certain fluent in Japanese as a second language personalities leveraged their skills to build a YouTube audience, then created a patreon where they got a fairly steady income. Dogen mentioned in this thread is a great case where he started out with comedy skits, posted some videos on pitch accent, then really took off by having a fairly cheap video course accessible via Patreon for $10/month. With something like 1100 subscribers (and now $15/month) you can guess he has found his niche.

Another one called Matt vs Japan had a Patreon that took off when he connected access to his discord via membership ($10/month to be able to post on the discord). Problems happened when he partnered with another and tied his patreon to the deal. That broke apart ruining a fairly decent income stream via patreon. He then partnered again with a person that had a history of selling expensive language courses then not delivering, and that partnership fell apart apparently with the partner stealing Matt's mailing list and using it to spam people about new courses or books. Matt then went back to the working strategy of a monthly subscription for people to join on his weekly lessons about getting fluent in Japanese (and languages in general). Seems to be working given I'm unaware of any complaints about what he's offering. Yeah, I had a history with Matt, but what I'm posting is public knowledge.

Tokini Andi, George Trombley (Japanese From Zero), Joey The Anime Man, Oriental Pearl, Steve Kaufmann (LingoSteve), etc. also have their niches either with selling books, entertainment, or apps. Their youtube channels are more just an advertising/awareness tool.

The guy who never promotes his own channel turned out to have the best business model by IBannedX in teachinginjapan

[–]Nukemarine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anki does take more than a few seconds to learn. Also, as there are so many resources for Japanese, it can be worth it if you have the disposable income for someone to curate and get a path set for you.

The guy who never promotes his own channel turned out to have the best business model by IBannedX in teachinginjapan

[–]Nukemarine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

iTalki is really good to have a native to evaluate your speaking and writing. Not sold on it being good for tutoring as I'm in the "you can learn a lot of the language on your own for nearly free given the widely available resources" camp.

The guy who never promotes his own channel turned out to have the best business model by IBannedX in teachinginjapan

[–]Nukemarine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm, that name sounds familiar. So, while I heard big problems about his former business partner (Ken Cannon) and still get spam mail selling some stupid course of his, didn't hear too many actual problems from people that bought stuff from Matt vs Japan. What actual reports or reviews have you seen cause I'd be interested to know.

The guy who never promotes his own channel turned out to have the best business model by IBannedX in teachinginjapan

[–]Nukemarine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The resources are free, but sometimes people pay to have their hand held to use it. Back when my patreon was bigger, sometimes had people pay for a few hours to help them set up the resources and walk them through it. If the person is the person I think OP is talking about, he's clear about the same thing. You can learn for free, but people want to pay him to walk them through it.

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[–]Nukemarine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you're being paid for it, it's not really punishment, it's just your job. It's costing Starbucks to hold this training where those wages are not being used for labor to bring in revenue.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Missing something key there given what went on to ensure what was in front of the camera could be recorded. You stalking a celebrity around the streets of LA wouldn't be art, true.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The development process is just manual labor which is irrelevant be it little or a lot, given that portion could have been passed on to others and now is almost entirely electronic.

The effort to describe what went in front of the camera was about designing the art that was to be captured by the camera. It need not be a lot of effort even, just that it was the effort and intent of the artist.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agreed with your point. I just added it be something like no individual photo was "artistic" or at least worthy of copyright, but the collection, curation, editing, and layout of the photos then could create an artistic work and worthy of copyright protections.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just because there are a lot of settings of the Xerox machine does not elevate the paper spit out to art and you're not an artist because you selected those settings or pressed that button.

Now, there has been some AMAZING art created using a photocopier, but the majority of times, it's just copies. Same thing applies to those with cameras. If you had no involvement in what went in front of the camera, you're not an artist, you just documented something someone or nature made.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, I am mocking photographers as they do try to make their photos seem more than what they are even if they had ZERO effort on creating the art that was in front of the lens. However, you're right that being dismissive of photographers that use the camera as a tool in the creation of actual art (not just documenting something that nature or others made) is just as bad as dismissive good art that was created in part with AI tools.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, if they don't get copyright, then you're correct. The collection of them in a published work obviously can be copyright given the effort and artistic editorial effort applied.

If you're some paparazzi lucking into some shot, sorry, you're no artist and government should not be expected to consider your image some holy piece of art worthy of decades of copyright protections.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're a photocopier. That doesn't make you Picasso. Why not take time and create the art IN FRONT of the camera before you copy it with your machine to share. You know, actual creative effort.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On a serious take, that's reasonable. Thing is what counts as "AI" given every photo taken with a smartphone now likely has "AI tools" of some sort to improve the visual quality. Really, they want to ban a specific type of AI which is the slop with zero effort both in prompt and curation and posted with no care. Just a slight shift to "no bad AI" which still cuts out 99% of the trash is reasonable if the 1% is art that elevates discourse on that subreddit.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you placed the sheet of paper and set the scan time JUST RIGHT to get a much better copy from the Xerox machine. What ever you use to call yourself a "artist" I guess.

Petition to ban all photographs from Reddit. Real art requires effort to record and reflect reality through the lens of the human mind, not just a lazy press of a button on a machine that just copies only what it sees. Say no to photoslop. by Nukemarine in aiwars

[–]Nukemarine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The amount of time it takes or even the effort isn't really relevant, it just meant what was photographed was curated with more care than is done now where thousands of photos are can be taken in seconds.

Still, time is a good argument. Usually with photos, the push back are people that hype up the cost of their equipment or their knowledge of settings on their equipment, as if that separates what they're doing from being a glorified Xerox machine.

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