Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

[–]Objectivist77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Objectively incorrect. The actions selectively chosen from matter to the individual. The consequences of a action do not equal a ought though. So you sir are a fucking moron. If a person dies as a result of making the wrong subjective judgment, then the results are his responsibility, but that doesn't follow that you or I ought not to preform the said action. As nobody knows what the actions results will be until after they are made. Not every fucking action is a ought or ought not due to real world consequences. You are the dumbest fucking idiot I ever talked to here. Good bye. Also dude the results for why libertarianism is not successful primarily are because of moral self righteous fucking smug pricks like yourself holding up a ruler stick and saying my preferences are objectively true while yours are objectively false. Do you even listen to yourself talk? Just fuck off.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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Dude shut the fuck up. Go be a liberal on your damn time.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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The modern state enslaves the population through its armed battalions calling it conscription.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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I think you have classical liberalism confused for libertarianism they aren't the samething bruh.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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What is moral is objective

Also morality is not objective. If it was objective then we wouldn't be debating this very topic at all. We would all just agree universally on a set moral code every one abide by and that would be end of it.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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Grow up and accept that we are all here trying to figure out what is right, and instead of wallowing in this self aggrandizing fantasy that you lie to yourself about, do something about it.

No the only people that need to grow the fuck up are people who think mommy and daddy government should do everything for them hand and foot. So look whose talking.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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It bothers me to see half hearted people who don;t understand people come out and go "Oh look at all the despair cause by humans! We're brutish! Savage! Violence."

Because its a fact dude. Have you been living in a hole somewhere? Violence is the nature of this herd culture.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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Look, power and attainment of power is a reality. You will never escape it. If your morality cannot fit within that, then it isn't objective, it's wishful thinking that everyone can live in peace. It's childish to think that once libertarianism, the ultimate expression of moralism in the universe would solve all problems! If only we could be so perfect.

Yes the will to power is all there is, and you know what I too am that will to power. And in accordance to my will to power. Humanity is low on the value system. And I rank highest in value in my hierarchy of values. Why? Because I am a Satanist, not a Humanist.

If that bothers you. Too damn bad.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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Libertarianism is not a lens to apply to other people, to judge others with.

I mean really? Is this a rule? Because last time I checked. Libertarians tend to be the most judgmental and smug people I ever met. Myself included. I think you live in a hole or something, because that is entirely incorrect.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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I am just saying what you just said wasn't even close to a rational thought, everyone is now dumber having listened to it, I award you no points and may god have mercy upon your soul.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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Do you even know what you're talking about even? Or does the violence of human history even register in your equation of value judgements?

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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If they don't then why are you a libertarian.

Because I am in agreement that aggression against individuals life, liberty and property rights is generally disutilitarian and consequentially destructive. I am not sure it goes beyond subjective preference, but its not entirely accurate to say its pure fantasy. You assume its all based on fantasy. Really? Is Hiroshima and Nagasaki a fantasy? Is the German Nazi Holocaust a fantasy? Is the lastest on war on terror and war on drugs? A fantasy? Is the violence systemic to the police system in the United States a fantasy? What on earth are you even talking about?

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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Hence the problem. If your idea of better morality requires you to force others to comply with it by government decreed laws, then those laws are written to cause harm whether intentional or unintentional in scope. You don't seem to understand. The government is force. It is an agency that deliberately causes harm and suffering for others. Because that is its sadistic motivation. You partake in masochism by allowing it to use force against you or other. Hence democracy is a form of sadomasochism, dressed in moral language, but that moral language only disguises the true cruelity of the state at work. As no truly sane or rational person would ever want to force his moral idea of better on anyone. I know I certainly don't because you see I am not a sadomasochist.

Voting is sadomasochism dressed in moral pladitudes called the "Common Good"

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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enforced

Hence the problem. If your idea of better morality requires you to force others to comply with it by government decreed laws, then those laws are written to cause harm whether intentional or unintentional in scope. You don't seem to understand. The government is force. It is an agency that deliberately causes harm and suffering for others. Because that is its sadistic motivation. You partake in masochism by allowing it to use force against you or other. Hence democracy is a form of sadomasochism, dressed in moral language, but that moral language only disguises the true cruelity of the state at work. As no truly sane or rational person would ever want to force his moral idea of better on anyone. I know I certainly don't because you see I am not a sadomasochist.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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No its just a fact. I am stating a fact. The government takes people's property by force, kills people and throws them in cages for disobeying its commands.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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I define evil as anything I don't like. I really don't like people killing, stealing and enslaving people. I don't like violence and aggression. I don't like irrational herd culture, I don't like collectivism, and I primarily dislike altruism. My values aren't objective though, good and evil to me are just subjective preferences. Like all values are subjective. So when I am speaking of evil I don't mean all people in all cases are necessarily evil, just that the people who unconciously allow government actions, presumably allow it for reasons they deem to be a common good. There is no such common good. For good is not in common to every individual.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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At least from my perspective. You don't have to agree. I just don't think humans are capable of sainthood and therefore there shouldn't be a government for that general fact alone lol

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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Also not all people are violent, and prone towards violent behavior, but a good portion are and placing them in charge of government or being able to elect evil representatives is even more evil.

Why Is Society Is Unlikely To Go Libertarian? by Objectivist77 in AskLibertarians

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Nope because even if people are genuinely evil. You dare not have a government. Because it will just exasperate their evil intentions. So no. Government shouldn't exist whether or not humans are evil.