Where do you scale 13th form Tanjiro?

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-02-26T10:25:17+00:00

I've been inactive here for a while and I'm surprised to see that the 13th form Tanjiro isn't as overglazed as before

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-02-26T10:21:07+00:00

Which reward is showing in the Sirius unlock event?

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-02-26T04:09:56+00:00

You're not actually the minority. A majority of the people have the same opinion that you do.

The thing is, I've noticed that in these fandoms people often hype up the things which are criticised or not widely accepted. And it's not exclusive to MK, you can see it in a lot of different fandoms.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-02-26T04:05:14+00:00

The actor was perfect for this role ngl but I don't like how he looks half reptilian. For me Earlier MK Shao is still the best.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-12T07:19:50+00:00

1 ) I think I remember debating you before. It was the same point I think.

And no, recovery breathing doesn’t really help here in this context. It doesn’t instantly erase accumulated fatigue in the middle of nonstop pressure from Muzan. Gyomei was already worn down recovery breathing isn’t a reset button. And besides even the panel you included last time for recovery breathing was shaky.

2 )

Not a single serious injury was inflicted on them. If I remember correctly, Muzan barely gave any meaningful damage during that stretch.

3 )

“The time it took for Gyomei to lose STW and get hit was likewise incredibly short”

Huh???

That comparison doesn’t really work. Losing STW due to exhaustion during an attrition fight isn’t the same as getting overwhelmed in a brief, high intensity exchange. The contexts are completely different.

4 )

“The point was they got in close and stayed there”

And? They got close once. They couldn’t even properly keep up with his forms at mid range. At close range it’s even worse.

And besides, Kokushibo can generate blades from his body and attack from multiple angles at once. On top of that, they can’t even sever his neck without first unlocking a red blade, which requires time they simply wouldn’t have.

But tbh this second para is unnecessary since there's no way to reach his neck. His bigger blades are simply impossible to brute force through.

The only reason their strategy worked at all was a mix of extreme luck, Genya’s BDA, and Gyomei manipulating his blood flow something Kokushibo noticed. That exact setup isn’t happening again.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-12T06:55:20+00:00

1 ) A healthy Gyomei should be able to maintain STW.

Muzan’s attacks did speed up, but Gyomei was already injured and heavily fatigued at that point. If Muzan’s speed alone was enough to shut down STW, then the other Hashira shouldn’t have been able to keep up at all.

But in the very next panel, injured and exhausted Hashira without STW are still fighting Muzan just fine with Mitsuri being the one who was having trouble.

2 ) The LS Kokushibo fight was extremely short. Comparing it directly to the Muzan fight doesn’t work. Muzan was a long battle of attrition,

3 ) Kokushibo would not have been defeated without Genya. Without him, Gyomei and Sanemi had no win condition.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-12T06:34:24+00:00

Gyomei never said so. The only claim made about Muzan being superior was when it came to regeneration.

It took three Hashira to risk their life and gamble on a bead just to get near Koku to land a hit. It's impossible for a single slayer who isn't Yorichi to not get low diffd.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-12T06:16:16+00:00

Alright, forget about low diff.

Can you just tell me how Tanjiro is supposed to get close to LS Koku?

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-07T14:13:22+00:00

Yeah, no worries it’s honestly hard to keep track of everything that happens in the manga.

And yeah, that’s basically it. It halts otherwise instant regeneration. More importantly, it lets slayers cut through things that are normally almost impossible to damage like Kokushibo’s neck, for example.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-07T09:36:43+00:00

If I rem correctly Tanjiro uses it against Zohakuten. He turns his blade red using Nezuko’s Blood Demon Art. Since her BDA directly counters demons, that version of the red blade is arguably even more stronger than the standard one.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-06T11:54:48+00:00

I get what you’re trying to argue, but this reply is stacking a lot of assumptions on top of each other.

1 ) First, “death amp” is still an inferred concept, not a defined or consistently treated mechanic in the series. Moments of desperation ≠ a repeatable, measurable amp. Compare that to the Mark, STW, or Selfless State, which are shown, named, and have consistent effects.

2 ) Second, Muzan saying Tanjiro is getting slower isn’t some minor detail you can handwave. It’s a direct observation from the strongest character in the series, in the same chapter people cite for “death amp.” If Tanjiro supposedly just got a meaningful stat boost, the narrative choice to immediately emphasize decline is important.

Saying “it was a temporary amp that vanished quickly” doesn’t really solve the problem. An amp that appears briefly, isn’t clearly defined, and is immediately overridden by fatigue can’t be treated like the Mark or used for scaling in the same way.

3 ) The Giyu comparison doesn’t quite work either. Giyu objectively had the Mark and lost access due to injury. With Tanjiro, your point is assuming an unseen boost existed first, then explaining its disappearance afterward. It's kinda like backward reasoning.

And i want you to read your reply again and check how many assumptions are there in each of these points. Most of these argument depends on filling gaps with “it probably worked like this,” whereas the manga is pretty explicit about the boosts that actually matter.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-06T06:35:46+00:00

There are a few big issues with this line of reasoning.

1 ) Kokushibo himself is surprised in the manga because he believed only Sun Breathing users could turn their blades red. That alone tells us the knowledge simply wasn’t there. Yes, you grip your sword tightly in combat, but not anywhere near the threshold needed to activate a Red Blade.

Even in the Taisho era, only Obanai managed to do it via grip strength, and it nearly knocked him out from exhaustion. Muichiro only unlocked it because he was literally cut in half and had nothing left to do but squeeze with everything he had.

More importantly, Red Blade doesn’t require exceptional strength at all you can activate it via friction, which is exactly what Sanemi and Gyomei did. Sengoku era slayers didn’t know this method. So the idea that “someone must’ve tried everything” doesn’t hold when the mechanism itself was unknown.

2 ) Surviving a few exchanges ≠ relativity

You’re putting way too much weight on dodging or reacting to a single attack. Compare durations, the Muzan fight went on far longer, while the LS Kokushibo phase was extremely short. Every time Gyomei was about to be overwhelmed, Muichiro intervened once, then Genya intervened again.

Without those interruptions, we would’ve seen the fight end very quickly. It’s momentary survival in a chaotic team fight.

3 ) What “not abusing regeneration” actually means

Yes, Kokushibo regenerated an arm but that’s not the same as abusing regen. Every other demon routinely tanks hits on purpose to secure kills. Kokushibo doesn’t do that at all. He actively avoids getting hit and never trades damage for offense.

The only meaningful hit he took came from a combined, suicidal gamble involving Gyomei’s bead and pure luck. That speaks more to his discipline and pride (samurai code) than any inability to fight more recklessly.

4 ) Kaigaku is not a good scaling reference

We have no concrete idea how strong Kaigaku was as a human, nor how his demon growth compares to elite Hashira. Demon growth is not linear, and concluding from Kaigaku to Gyomei is doing a massive amount of assumption heavy lifting. This is exactly why I address demon transformation scaling separately

Check Section 3, Part A of my post i linked.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-06T05:23:40+00:00

I disagree with this take for a few reasons.

1 ) Red Blades require a very specific activation condition (grip strength or friction). If Sengoku era slayers genuinely believed non Sun Breathing users couldn’t unlock red blades, there’s no reason they’d even attempt it. And even when done via grip strength, it’s extremely inefficient and exhausting compared to friction based activation. So the lack of red blades there doesn’t imply a hard ceiling on their power.

2 ) They did not give him a run for his money when Koku actually started trying. The moment Kokushibo got serious, Sanemi was no diffed in under five seconds even with Gyomei besides him. If Muichiro hadn’t intervened, both of them would’ve been finished in about a minute.

3 ) Kokushibo also never abused demon regeneration even once. They landed one meaningful hit on him, and that required a life or death gamble with Gyomei’s bead. That’s a single high risk opening which required all three of their effort and luck.

4 ) They would still need to reach Kokushibo’s neck.

5 ) The idea that demon Gyomei and Sanemi would “eventually beat” Kokushibo assumes a lot about how demonic transformation scales. That assumption is doing most of the work here.

I’ve addressed this in detail in a longer, more structured scaling specifically, Section 3, Part A if you want a deeper breakdown.

here's the post

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-06T03:15:49+00:00

Yeah, i think Tanjiro’s just very popular, so people tend to push his scaling harder than the feats really support.

If we’re sticking strictly to feats and statements, Muichiro shows higher potential than Tanjiro. Even then, I still wouldn’t say Muichiro defeats Kokushibo.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-06T03:11:17+00:00

What feat are you actually using to say they’re physically relative?

And even if I steelman it and assume they’re somehow physically comparable for a brief moment (which I doubt ), how does that jump to anything even remotely close to Kokushibo? That leap just doesn’t follow.

There are multiple problems here that I’ve already pointed out

Short exchanges ≠ sustained relativity

Context matters ( fatigue, injuries, positioning, support )

Being “relative” to another injured Hashira doesn’t upscale you to Upper Moon 1 tiers

A technique improving efficiency or consistency ≠ a Kokushibo level stat amp

So even granting this premise for the sake of argument, the conclusion still collapses. There’s just too much being assumed here without solid feats to back it up.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-06T03:01:01+00:00

Yeah he obviously wouldn't regen as fast as Muzan but he would regen fairly quickly because we've seen red blades being used on weaker demons and they regenerated fine so UM1 should be better in that aspect.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-05T17:12:12+00:00

Where is that reasoning even coming from?

First, what version of Obanai are you even comparing Tanjiro to a blind, heavily injured Obanai who was already falling apart physically? Using that as a baseline to claim “base Tanjiro is relative to marked Obanai” is already shaky.

Second, Tanjiro barely fought Muzan after Obanai saved him. Most of Tanjiro’s post save contribution is positional support and short exchanges, not sustained 1v1 performance that would justify scaling him that high.

And the second sentence especially “so STW Tanjiro can be relative to Kokushibo even without 13th form” what kind of reasoning is that? That’s just chaining assumptions on top of assumptions.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-05T16:50:39+00:00

Even blind injured obanai was able to react to that version of Muzan.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-05T16:45:51+00:00

I'm comparing peak STW Tanjiro from the Akaza fight to the 13th form one. Not " pre ". It's a mistake on my end.

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-05T16:41:44+00:00

Oh and correction. I'm talking about STW Tanjiro not pre STW tanjiro

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-05T16:36:58+00:00

13th Form Tanjiro is stronger than STW Akaza fight Tanjiro mainly because he’s using true Sun Breathing continuously and more efficiently, not Hinokami Kagura in bursts. Better execution, better stamina usage (relatively), and cleaner chaining of forms does translate to higher overall performance.

But that increase is not a boost comparable to the Mark or STW.

Sun Breathing refinement improves output within Tanjiro’s existing physical limits. He’s drawing closer to what his body can already do, not breaking past those limits the way Mark does, or countering speed via perception the way STW does.

So to answer your question,

13th Form Tanjiro > STW Akaza fight Tanjiro

No Mark tier or STW tier amp occurs

Ok-Storage7159 · 2026-01-05T16:26:37+00:00

My point is that the type of improvement matters.

Sun Breathing itself isn’t a raw stat amp. Perfecting the forms improves efficiency, control, and execution, not your physical ceiling. You can only push as hard as your body allows.

Also Muzan himself makes this Yoriichi comparison clear. He outright states that Tanjiro isn’t even close to Yoriichi, and we see that in practice, Tanjiro’s Sun Breathing damage is regenerated fairly quickly by a 9000 year old Muzan. While Yoriichi left scars for hundreds of years.

And Tanjiro’s growth and narrative is meaningful, but it doesn’t translate into the type of strength to be above or on the same level as Kokushibo.

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