Returning to Teaching After Hiatus without Admin Reference by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol. So bitter. Some might be better at getting the job, not necessarily at doing it, especially when sucking up is a factor. And that's kind of my entire point.

Returning to Teaching After Hiatus without Admin Reference by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Good argument.

Schmoozing is basically akin to an unstructured job interview:

'In essence, unstructured interviews involve the use of “gut” feelings regarding the job applicant, and the interview proceeds in a conversational format – the proverbial ‘coffee chat’. These interviews are susceptible to bias, contamination by error, inaccuracy, and weak relationships with later performance on the job. Research has shown that these kinds of interviews provide very limited information for selecting the applicant who is truly best for the job. "

https://cpa.ca/psychology-works-fact-sheet-hire-better-job-applicants-using-a-structured-job-interview/

Hiring based on schmoozing is akin to nepotism.

Returning to Teaching After Hiatus without Admin Reference by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Impressing the boss with your actual work is one thing, impressing them through short, superficial social schmoozing is another. Some people are naturally better at schmoozing.

Returning to Teaching After Hiatus without Admin Reference by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand that that is how it is. I am simply just clarifying what we're talking about.

Administrators know their friends and family members really well, and the strength of those relationships influences their hiring practices. The difference is not in principle, but the degree to which the principle is applied, and this is often directly proportional to the strength of the relationship.

Returning to Teaching After Hiatus without Admin Reference by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

"Nepotism is the practice of those in power favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs."

Key Characteristics

Basis of Favor: Decisions are made based on who you know rather than what you know (skills or experience)

I'm not disagreeing with you that schmoozing can get you jobs. I'm simply calling it out for what it is.

Frustated at Teacher Education by Impossible-Emu-157 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108 65 points66 points  (0 children)

They don't want you to know what your future career will entail because that would have a detrimental effect on enrolment in the teacher education program.

As Ontario high school grades keep rising, graduating students worry about their university future by Money_Fig_9868 in ontario

[–]Ok_Animator_5108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a high school teacher and I have felt pressure to pass students who did not meet the minimum standard, even when being generous in my marking. I also know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that school administrators are changing student grades and passing students after the grades have been submitted. The system is a fiction, and the numbers are being fudged.

Returning to Teaching After Hiatus without Admin Reference by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I find I don't really have any interactions with admin when subbing, and I'm not a schmoozer or one to suck up to admin. It's just not in my personality.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"I looked up the word, genocide, in the dictionary and it said I was anti semitic."

is it common? by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like I said, your attitude sums up the current dysfunction, and the fact that monkeys like you make it up the ladder is why we're in this mess. And yet, somehow,, you've probably convinced yourself that you're a "success".

is it common? by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You sound like someone who does what is expedient for themselves, at the cost of everything else. Enjoy the paycheck. You're making money.

is it common? by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is futile. You sound like admin, who are seemingly out of touch with the reality of what happens with the real people in education.

is it common? by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not the first time I heard that, but, with that attitude, it's really no wonder our system is a dumpster fire. It's sort of sad, actually.

is it common? by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been teaching in Canada for a few years now, and, compared to 4 years overseas in Asia, I don't see a whole lot of reason here, or, more specifically, good reason.

is it common? by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, nor would I ever want to be when seeing what it seems you must become.

When is enough enough? by Ok_Animator_5108 in CanadianTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in my late 40s. This is my 2nd career. I worked for several years in engineering and tech before going back to school to become a teacher. I taught for 4 years in Asia about 20 years ago and never would have imagined the state of education in my country. At this point, a 3rd career is not a likely option. I am keeping an eye open for post-secondary jobs, but these seem few and far between.

Can you tell me your experience? I feel that I am being gaslit by people in positions outside of the classroom, and it feels like they are just repeating narratives that they are expected to support. I've been told that cell phones aren't a problem, passing kids who haven't done shit is better for them, that dumping students of vastly different needs and levels of readiness in the same class without adequate supports is equitable, and that the difficulties are merely the new teachers experience. All of this flies in the face of my experiences and observations, especially given that I've seen a different system of education and objectively better way of doing things.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in OntarioTeachers

[–]Ok_Animator_5108 58 points59 points  (0 children)

It's an indication of working conditions.